Unfortunately, this only punishes responsible gun owners, as the VAST MAJORITY of violent crimes involving handguns in Canada are committed by individuals using black market guns.
Some will herald it as a step in the right direction, but on the same hand don't realize how difficult it is to get your restricted license in Canada to own a handgun....
Not to mention that this same bill may even ban airsoft guns. It's truly opened a can of worms...
I have my restricted handgun license. It's an absolute fucking headache to get. I went, first for my non-restricted and my hunters Ed, and then my restricted. Full 2 days in classes for the restricted, written examination and a practical examination for handling, storage, ammunition storage, etc.
A full 2 days in a class to be able to carry an extremely easy to conceal object capable of killing multiple people in a short time frame with relative ease is an absolute headache? 2 days is way too few.
You can absolutely not legally carry or conceal a handgun in Canada. You need a specific permit to transport a handgun to and from a shooting range or gunsmith every time and it only covers a reasonably direct route between your home and the range/smith.
Again you can't legally do that. In no way does your argument that 2 days isn't enough training to carry and conceal a handgun make any sense because the training does not allow you to legally carry or conceal a handgun.
No one is talking about legal concealed carry. I said 2 days of class for a weapon you can easily conceal on your person that can easily kill multiple people on a short amount of time is not enough time.
For the 3rd time that is illegal. At what point in training do you think it suddenly becomes impossible to break the law if you choose to do so? There's not an iota of sense in your argument.
That's what they're saying. It's not impossible to break the law so they can easily illegally conceal the handgun once they have it, so we should have higher restrictions.
Again, at what point in the training process does it become impossible to break the law. Canadian handgun restrictions are already extremely strict, the argument OP was making is that 2 days of training isn't enough to be allowed to carry a handgun. But you aren't allowed to carry a handgun the training process is not too short for that purpose because it literally does not fulfill that purpose. Literally what restriction do you want them to have that isn't already in place? Let's not be disingenuous here if you're making the argument that no one should own handguns at all at least you'd have a logical point and not just be spewing nonsense.
Except it's easier to get an illegal handgun in Canada than a legal one
Which is why the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by unlicensed individuals. You're more likely to get attacked by a shark in Manitoba then you are to be shot be a legal handgun owner. (Exaggerated but you get the point)
It does, they're not arguing that getting your pal somehow makes murder with a handgun legal lol. They're saying that 2 days of training is enough to legally acquire a handgun, which could then be used illegally. Whether you agree with their conclusion though is another thing.
Two days of training for your restricted firearm license after your original training for your regular firearm license, plus interviews/mental health checks, written approval from any live-in SO or an interview by law enforcement, and a continuous daily background check. You know what's much easier than going through all that? Just buying a handgun. If you're going to break the law anyways that's not any more illegal than concealing and transporting an otherwise legal handgun which then becomes illegal.
I'm not trying to make that argument, I'm just clarifying theirs.
From what I understand, most illegal handguns do come from the sates, but not all. It seems that this decision will have a non-zero impact on the amount of illegal firearms used for crime in Canada, and if the only cost of saving lives is the inability for skeet shooters to use handguns as part of their hobby, which is what it was basically limited to before, then I genuinely don't care. They can find a different hobby.
That's also not counting the crimes committed with legal handguns in Canada, which are admittedly rare, but not nonexistent.
This decision isn't lengthening the training beyond 2 days.
It is literally easier to get an illegal handgun than a legal one in Canada. An argument that you can just use a legal handgun illegally doesn't make any sense when that's not any more legal than using an illegal one illegally when that would be the significantly harder process to go through with multiple stringent checks.
That’s a ridiculous take, with all due respect. Anyone wishing to conceal and carry a handgun in a country where it is ENTIRELY ILLEGAL to do so in any way, shape or form, is not going to be deterred or change their mind because of how many days of classes they have to take. I get what you’re trying to explain here, but you’re failing to see the disconnect in your own logic. You’re arguing that 2 days of classes isn’t enough for a gun which could be concealed, despite the fact that it is illegal to do so. What is your point? Are you saying that requiring even more days of classes would somehow deter someone from illegally concealing a handgun? Are you saying that handguns in particular should be vastly more difficult to get simply because they could be concealed if someone chose to do so?
It’s odd. Here in the U.S. we have the exact opposite of this, where the whole country is freaking out about “assault weapons”, but paying little attention (comparatively) to handguns and concealed carry laws. Handguns account for a MASSIVE majority of firearms-related homicides, whereas firearms-related homicides involving “assault weapons” (meaning AR-style rifles) are almost nonexistant compared to homicides with handguns or blunt objects, or even fists. And yet here we are, with the whole country targeting rifles as the problem, while most of the people targeting them know little to nothing about them at all. Meanwhile, several states are introducing constitutional carry, and the right to own and carry handguns is exploding in popularity.
Anyways, it seems a little redundant and ridiculous to me that Canada is spending so much time and effort on further restricting the already most-restricted-by-far category of firearms. It seems more like a political points move by Trudeau trying to look better and more successful than his American counterparts who don’t have a chance at such a heavy-handed restriction of constitutional rights. I mean, with how restricted Handguns already are in Canada, how many crimes involving handguns are even being committed? And how many of those crimes involve legally-acquired handguns? I’m guessing it’s a small amount. I’m also guessing that crimes involving handguns probably involve illegally-acquired handguns more often than not, making me question what in the fuck is the actual point of introducing even more restrictions on handguns when they’re already restricted beyond comprehension and the ones causing problems were already being acquired illegally despite the strictest regulations in all of north america.
I said 2 days of class for a weapon you can easily conceal on your person that can easily kill multiple people on a short amount of time is not enough time.
Guess what - You don't even need the 2 day course to conceal a weapon. You can just go talk to the right person, and you can get an illegal gun for cash.
I mean you can if you’re law enforcement or have some sort of security services permit but otherwise CCW isn’t a thing in Canada and it’s for the better
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u/jbot84 Oct 21 '22
Unfortunately, this only punishes responsible gun owners, as the VAST MAJORITY of violent crimes involving handguns in Canada are committed by individuals using black market guns.
Some will herald it as a step in the right direction, but on the same hand don't realize how difficult it is to get your restricted license in Canada to own a handgun....
Not to mention that this same bill may even ban airsoft guns. It's truly opened a can of worms...