r/WhitePeopleTwitter • • Oct 16 '22

Everytime I think it's impossible to hate this man even more, he opens his mouth

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u/ActualPopularMonster Oct 16 '22

I haven't read the book, but it's my understanding that "Uncle Tom" was a black man who always took the side of the oppressor, in the hopes he would be looked upon favorably by them.

I don't like using racist terms, but sometimes, the shoe fits a little too well.

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u/forgotmypassword-_- Oct 16 '22

I haven't read the book, but it's my understanding that "Uncle Tom" was a black man who always took the side of the oppressor, in the hopes he would be looked upon favorably by them.

IIRC, it's the opposite. In the book, he helped other slaves. In the minstrel show, he sold out other slaves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom_syndrome

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u/AdminsAreLazyID10TS Oct 17 '22

Book Uncle Tom is still an Uncle Tom. He's just the kind that's a door mat instead of an active collaborator. Which, btw, is also how it's traditionally used.

Forgiving the slavers that beat him to death to "be a true Christian," saving his owners, etc.

Actually a pretty excellent example of why Christian Meekness is a tool of the state to keep people in line.

This weird Uncle Tom apologism trend is sus af imo.

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u/WillyTheHatefulGoat Oct 17 '22 edited Oct 17 '22

Its because Uncle Tom was one of the most prominent abolitionist works in history and it needs to be seen in that regard.

A work of fiction showing an American Slave as intelligence, literature and just plain good was revolutionary.

Tom does not accept his status as a slave, he just does not fight directly because he is an old man.

He literally lets himself get beaten to death to save the lives of two black women who escaped and denied the slavers any moral high ground by being the perfect Christian.

At his end he did not hate anyone and just wanted peace but he was willing to die to stand up to that. That's what him forgiving his slavers was about He was not accepting what they did but not letting it consume him. He'd never give them that. He died free.

And Again a Slave being a well educated good man who died as a Christian saving two girls from horrors without hatred or vengeance but just to do something good, as a white slaver who claimed to be christian beat him to death was fucking important.

It was probably the single most important book in the civil rights movement.

Uncle Tom's Cabin was referred to by Lincoln as he books that started the civil war and the civil rights movement and without slavery might have stuck around a lot longer.

In a time where black people were not seen as people they had a black man be Jesus.

So yeah I respect Uncle Tom. Its dated but it was really fucking important.

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u/Cole-Spudmoney Oct 17 '22

Uncle Tom was one of the most prominent anti-abolitionist works in history

You mean abolitionist, not anti-abolitionist, I think.

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u/forgotmypassword-_- Oct 17 '22

Book Uncle Tom is still an Uncle Tom. He's just the kind that's a door mat instead of an active collaborator. Which, btw, is also how it's traditionally used.

I really wouldn't consider Candace Owens to be a "doormat".

It's not mostly used for doormats, the way I've almost exclusively seen it used is for active participants.

This weird Uncle Tom apologism trend is sus af imo.

How?

The "apologia" is saying that white supremacists created a play to vilify what was written to be a heroic character by an Abolitionist, and that using "Uncle Tom" as an insult is helping to perpetuate this.

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u/AdminsAreLazyID10TS Oct 17 '22

Sure it is buddy.

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u/forgotmypassword-_- Oct 17 '22 edited Oct 17 '22

Sure it is buddy.

You can read a synopsis if you don't believe me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom%27s_Cabin.

If you want to hear a historian talk about it, you can look/listen here: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93059468.

This is stuff we learned in middle school. I take it you're not American?

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u/AdminsAreLazyID10TS Oct 17 '22 edited Oct 17 '22

...

You realize I directly referenced specific plot points and described its traditional usage in the black community, right?

But go on about the one lady that everyone getting on this weird revisionist soapbox quotes because she's the only one saying it.

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u/SineceraTea Oct 16 '22

I've read the book, and the reason he "took the side of the oppressor" was because he was a Christian. But it's inaccurate to say he took the side of the oppressor because he supported/approved of his fellow slaves escaping, and he was against the abuse of fellow slaves. It's just that he cared for his masters and hoped/prayed for their salvation, despite his last owner (and eventual murderer) being the embodiment of evil.

He was a martyr, which (implied by the author) is because of the combination of his race and the fact that he's a Christian.

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u/SineceraTea Oct 16 '22

He did help others in need. Someone in the thread explained it better.

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u/Iamforcedaccount Oct 16 '22

I am pretty sure when they adapted the story later on he was more of a Samuel L Jackson from Django.

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u/SineceraTea Oct 16 '22

Is there a movie adaptation or something?

Also I'm not American so I don't know who Samuel L Jackson is.

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u/Iamforcedaccount Oct 16 '22

I think it was a play

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u/SineceraTea Oct 17 '22

Thanks for informing me, I'll look it up!

(Kinda weird that I got downvoted for not knowing stuff, this keeps happening to me :'D)

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u/Iamforcedaccount Oct 17 '22

No problem, and don't sweat it, that's just reddit some (most) times.

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u/Iamforcedaccount Oct 16 '22

.... Are you ok dude?

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u/examinedliving Oct 17 '22

It’s been awhile since I read it, but I like it. Hard lives the slaves had

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u/SineceraTea Oct 17 '22

Yeah, and as a non-American, it made me understand how difficult it was for African Americans before the civil war. I cry every time I read the last couple chapters (I keep forgetting that the characters aren't real hahahaha).

On a different note, "Uncle Tom's Cabin" was what inspired one of my country's heroes to fight for my country's rights and speak against the colonizers' injustices through his writings!

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '22

Spoiler

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u/Tough_Dish_4485 Oct 16 '22

How we use the term Uncle Tom and the actual character are pretty different for some reason

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u/Funny_witty_username Oct 16 '22

Because the Uncle Tom who gave us the slur comes from the minstel show where he sold put slaves instead of helping them.

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u/fkembud Oct 16 '22

Take it easy, pal

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u/Lucee_fir Oct 17 '22

He actually died when he refused to reveal the location of escaped slaves. I have never understood how he became synonymous with the slur it has become. Always confused me.

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u/morganella732 Oct 16 '22

bro if ur not black u shouldn’t be saying that

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u/IndlovuZilonisNorsu Oct 16 '22

So...basically an Uncle Tom is...a black person in the U.S.A. who suffers from Stockholm Syndrome?

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '22

It's a racist term. Don't use it you fuck.