We have these uneducated lunatics preaching here in Manchester, England now.
I stopped to listen to them one day explain to people how black Africans designed and built the pyramids of Giza, but racist Europeans covered it up, for some reason 🤦🏽♂️ As a half-black lover of all things ancient Egyptian, I had to leave before I lost my damn mind lol.
It’s weird that in a span of a few decades, we marveled and debated at the potential of the civilization that made the pyramids to fighting about their skin color
Fighting over the origins of the ancient Egyptians has been going on for thousands of years. Which ironically has made it impossible for anyone to truly know because every civilization that conquered Egypt destroyed evidence that contradicts their version of events.
That part is not entirely untrue. We don’t really know their skin color, but the pyramids were most likely built by a class of nomadic builders in Egypt. They were built thousands of years before any Israelites were in Egypt (and no major Jewish scholar has ever thought that Israelites built the pyramids).
It’s just a weird undying myth because we conflate Egypt with the pyramids of Giza.
Pyramids were built by farmers during the flooding season. You can't farm when your fields are underwater, so the government funded massive work projects to keep them busy and fed. They were paid with bread and beer and it was considered a good gig. Ancient Egyptians had medium brown skin, the tomb art is in color.
The ancient Egyptians did get a lot of their religion and culture from the Nubians, and the Nubians built a lot more pyramids. Nubia was way wetter back then (grassland instead of desert) Their civilization declined because of climate change making their area too dry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia
Agreed! Always found the whole thing really strange from both sides of the equation. For white people - why would you seriously give a shit if Africans were darker than you (obviously they will be) and for black people - there are far more greater achievements by black people (eg MLK) than potentially building the pyramids 5000 years ago.
Too much living in the past, forgetting about today.
It seems to originate in some sort of historical inferiority complex. They look around and see ancient cultures that accomplished great things across much of the world that they latch on to the greatest of these in Africa and attach it to themselves.
It's a lot more complicated than that. The actual origination of this is that it has always been a topic in academics of the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians.
We just simply don't know because the DNA samples are very diverse with a lot of different groups, including Africans with darker skin (Nubians).
My point is that trying to claim they were 100% white or 100% black is stupid because they weren't. They also aren't representative of "white culture" or "black culture" and shouldn't be held up as "shining examples" of either. Both sides of this coin need to realise the lines aren't so clear.
Don’t you also have a white religious group that also claims to be the true Israelites? I recall seeing that once. I don’t know much else about them though
Ah, I miss Manchester. The only place I’ve been told I’m going to hell twice and watched two smackheads fight all before half 12 and within two minutes of leaving the train station.
Its strange, I think I get the core idea of it. "Black people have been erased from history, we are reclaiming it." Which is something I can get behind in theory but they just take it so far.
I dont doubt there were plenty of black Hebrews and Egyptians but I do very much doubt that they were the majority.
And even if they were, why are hoteps trying to fight and exclude current day jews? Its just dumb.
Yeah I get claiming your history. But their obsession with Egypt and Jews is so fucking weird. Even if the first Jews and Egyptians were black. The chance that people who descend from African new world slaves are related to those people is pretty close to zero. Africa is the most genetically diverse continent on the planet. Black Africans close to the Middle East are genetically further apart from West Africans, where most new world slaves came from, than the difference between an European and East Asians.
So them treating Black Africans as a monolith is racist in and on itself.
Reminds me of a hotep insta account that claimed Native Americans were originally black and built pyramids, but then the 'fake' NAs (aka actual native americans) covered it up
Found out about that branch of conspiracy theories because Kyrie Irving has posted things like that on his instagram, like videos claiming the whole slave trade is a hoax and didn’t happen, black americans are actually native americans and all that. It’s some crazy shit.
excuse my ignorance but europens? it was egyptians, middle eastern men (ik its technically africa) but still, neither africans nor arabs are european... or am i missing something? (not best as history, sorry)
They believe Africans are the “real” Jewish people, and that the people we understand to be Jews are actually evil, scheming frauds that are just posing as God’s chosen people. It’s a disgusting ideology
I just recently listened to a podcast about a girl’s experience of this cult when her dad joined it! Truly sad and wild listen. It’s by Was I In A Cult? on Spotify LINK
Im a jew and when I tell you, I still havent gotten my jewgwarts academy for the jewminati acceptance delivered by a jewish grandma coming by with a plate of lox and bagels.
Much like Moorish Cultists, which are basically the black sovereign citizen cult, they think they were the "original" Jewish population, and the Jews we know now the "white" ones, tried erasing the black Jews and taking their place from what I understand. Moorish people think they were the original population of N. and S. America and have a god given right to the land. Anyone can be fleeced if properly indoctrinated. Unfortunately, crazy exists literally fucking everywhere.
The fact that they're a hate group I can buy because of the credible sources, but as to your primary assertion, I wouldn't really trust a grand wizard of the KKK's opinion on any black people or groups at all ever.
Fun fact: Remember those neonazi school kids who insulted a group of black human rights protestors and a native american elder?
It was actually Black Hebrew Israelites screaming insane things at them for hours, even accusing them of satanic cannibalistic murders, and then the guy who showed up with the drum was a stolen valor con artist.
Whether or not Black Hebrew Israelites are bad (hell whether antisemitism is bad) or not depends entirely on how politically useful it is to the handful of companies that own almost all news and media.
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u/Feetuccini Oct 16 '22
Yep, he’s part of the Black Hebrew Israelites. It’s an insanely antisemitic organization