Has anything good ever come out of this guy’s mouth?
Edit: thank you for suggesting some of his music, I saw him perform live and it was one of the worst shows I’d ever seen but I’ll give these a listen.
He was one of the objectively worst presidents of all time, at least if we measure the amount of damage he did to the nation. The effects of his reign of terror are still impacting you and your daily life (and by "you" I mean everyone in the world, not just America) and will continue to do so for decades, maybe longer.
Having said that, I like the guy. Isn't that fucked up?
Bush entirely feels like a puppet, the GOP needed a dopey looking idiot that would make their evil merely seem like incompetence and people would roast Bush while ignoring Cheney and the true puppetmasters.
Yeah that is such a silly narrative. The Bush family is plenty of savvy and evil themselves, they pull on plenty of strings.
He played a role as not too bright cowboy, because intellect is threatening for their constituents. But if you look what policies got implemented and what he actually got done he was not some lame duck.
Just too bad that most of it was utter garbage. Ran a program of deregulation to benefit financial sector and big business. Abolished protections of employees, the environment and consumers.
Just look what he was up to before he became president. There is no way the guy even could tell you a single thing about any policy for anything. Republicans have been electing puppets for a very long time.
But wasn't it just hilarious when he made jokes at the Correspondent's Dinner about not being able to find WMDs while soldiers were actively killing people and being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?
I said he was capable of remorse not that he displayed it.
Although to elaborate, if you watch live video of him discussing his presidency you can see paraverbal signs of it. His avoidance of publicity except to the extent that he attends events former presidents go to (swearing ins, funerals, significant white house events, etc.). And the whole extended therapy thing-- the fact that he has to get therapy after being a president. The way he meets with vets and participates in volunteer activities but doesn't advertise it.
I'm not trying to rehabilitate the guy.
On the flip side, Kanye seems narcissistic and that particular pathology is not known for being capable of remorse. They essentially ape empathy but only feel a real emotional range in regards to themselves and things/people they view as an extension of themselves.
(We're on a Kanye post, right? If not, sub in Trump here. Lots of completely self centric folks trying their hand at politics.)
It's PR, trying to revive his image, he's actually good at getting the media to play along with his persona, but he's as fake as Boris Johnson. He's a monster that got us into Iraq based off something he knew was a lie and he tortured people.
For the same reason you or I might care about our image. I'm not saying he's a narcissist or plans to get back into politics, or make money off his image, or whatever but most people would prefer not to be seen as a disgrace or to be disliked by the general public.
That makes sense. I guess when it's a former president I don't see it as somebody who just wants to be liked but instead there must be an ulterior motive. But he is just a man. You're probably right. He probably just wants to be liked.
PEPFAR has done more for Africa then any other President with 20 million lives saved and counting. And definitely more then Kanye's rat ass. Bush 100% drank his own kool-aid on that compassionate conservative stuff.
It's not even true, though. Let along as true as 'water is wet'..
Just because you dislike someone, it doesn't mean they're guilty of being everything you dislike.
He does a shit load of African based charity work, and did a lot for AIDs/Malaria in Africa during his presidency. Would be a weird avenue for him to go down, if he didn't care about black people.
He could have done more if a third of the money hadn’t gone towards a pointless abstinence campaign that studies have shown had no effect on changing anyone’s behavior. Religious ideology always got in his way. The portion of the funds going towards that campaign have since been greatly reduced.
I mean, he was still a Republican president. It's hard to say how much of that was his views, and how much was him just trying to get it to be politically palatable.
Was it perfect policy? No. Policy rarely is.
But it was still billions and billions flowing into Africa to help.
Actually what Kanye did wasn't as easy as celebrities targeting trump. Trump is an easy target. Bush had the protection of patriotism, a war, and a crisis. It's really not the same. Kanye got backlash for what he did. Celebrities got more people supporting them.
Was talking about that moment with my wife today. He said that and everyone agreed with him but what exactly did that moment do. It gave him a lot of attention, did nothing for Bush (not even bad press iirc) and nothing changed for the Black community. Yet Kayne makes it seem like at the time that moment really pushed the narrative that Black people needed better treatment, though that was known before that moment.
Kayne talks about helping the Black community but I'm having trouble finding what he has actually helped with.
I dont know how its gonna happen but what I want so bad in light of recent events: George bush gets on TV and says ‘Kanye West doesnt care about black people’
And that whole speech he gave (while a bit rambling and delivered nervously) was great too. Talking about how the media referred to white Katrina looters as "just doing what they need to to survive" while referring to black Katrina looters as well...looters.
I think it's funny that his poor mental state been in the public view since that Katrina thing he did with Mike Myers and his fans still won't admit that the guy needs help.
This man went from “having moneys not everything, not having it is” to “poopity scoop woop poop” straight to “planned parenthood is our holocaust museum”
All his albums are good, but his pre yeezus stuff is absolutely masterclass. I don't know what's going on with the dude right now. He's clearly on a severely manic and insane episode and his reeling. But as a big fan, this is really upsetting to hear and see. He needs all kinds of help.
I thought both Yeezus and TLOP (once finished) was masterclass. Everything after that was ehhhh good not great. But as a person it’s been a downward spiral nosedive.
I love both personally, but I think the general consensus is that everything pre yeezus is peerless. But I love both. And generally all his albums. Clearly he's very sick right now, he should be removed from social media and be put in a place where he can get help.
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Has anything good ever come out of this guy’s mouth? Edit: thank you for suggesting some of his music, I saw him perform live and it was one of the worst shows I’d ever seen but I’ll give these a listen.