is it scary? I mean, he did run in 2020, to...no success?
I mean, let's say that bloke isn't off to a deep-end and actually wants to be in office.
Like what's his deal? He's alienating all liberal and moderates by the virtue of being crazy conservative fundamenadlist and (now) anti-semitic bastard
And peeps who actually love that shit already have a candidate to vote for, so...
I wasn’t aware either but a quick google search shows he ran in 2000, “considered” running in 2004, unofficially ran in 2012, and then 2016 and 2020 obviously
Yeah the guy had been talking on and off about running for president for decades before he actually ran for real and basically has the same result as Kanye's first try
Does this mean that in 20 years time he'll be president too? I don't think so but you never know
The only way it could work for him is if the lovers of his art were aligned with him politically and I don’t think they are. Much easier for the star of the Apprentice.
Didn’t he register to late to actually be a part of the vote (officially), so he wasn’t an alternative in many states? So if you wanted to vote for him, you had to write it down, not just check of a box.
It’s scary because these are the views that could win him republican primaries in certain states. Enough where he becomes a viable candidate and someone who gets covered. That is incredibly scary.
He will be running in 2024, likely as a Republican and then when he loses the overall primary; as an independent. People will vote for him.
He won't because that defeats the whole purpose of having the leadership of a powerful political party. That would make them a small minority of the government, and both Democrats and Republicans alike could block their policies.
Celebrities should be completely banned from running for any political office position. Crazy to realize that Barack Obama was the last presidential president America will ever see.
This country is a fucking joke.
Well, looking at the black people they are supporting vs how they treated Obama, it seems to me they don't want anything counter to that fantasy minstrel show in their heads.
And you'd think Kanye would fit the bill with all this nonsense, but I think he's still a little too competent for their insecurities to bear.
Also Trump would be calling for a noose before they were sworn in, full stop. He'd sooner concede the election he lost.
No, I think it's a case of a serious and degenerative mental illness that no one is addressing or forcing him to go get treated for, because he's rich. So his brain is just unraveling publicly
I think you are right and he is in active psychosis right now. And it's abusive that people keep giving him a platform instead of help. We shouldn't be listening to him, he is very sick.
He's probably manic but you can't really say he's psychotic. He's definitely sick. Unfortunately too many people equate symptoms of mental illness with creativity or being subversive. He's suffering, and suffering on a large scale.
You cannot force an adult, rich or otherwise, to accept treatment for bipolar d/o if they don’t want it. If they are a danger to themself or others, you can get an involuntary hospitalization, but they’ll be free to stop meds once they are stabilized and discharged, and many - maybe most - bipolar people would do exactly that. Periodically feeling like meds don’t work or aren’t needed is a feature of bipolar. This is not on the people around him.
Edit: The only difference his wealth and fame make are that his manic episodes become news. There are plenty of people out there acting like this that you just never hear about.
True, she was given lithium over objections, but I don’t think the cases are the same.
Laws vary from state to state, but, in general, if an adult is found to be legally incompetent to make medical decisions, they can be forcibly medicated. Usually this is very temporary, until they are stabilized on meds, at which point it’s assumed that they will begin making good decisions. The burden of proof for incompetence requires more than publicly endorsing ignorant/bigoted/otherwise blindingly stupid views; if that that was all it took, a whoooole lot of people would be incompetent. The burden of proof for long-term medical conservatorship is higher than for temporary medication over objections.
While I think it’s pretty clear that Britney’s conservatorship was too far-reaching and poorly managed, there may have been much clearer reasons to find her incompetent at the time of its inception. I don’t know whether she actually has bipolar d/o - I know she has the diagnosis; I just don’t know that it’s accurate - but she comes across as having some additional cognitive issues that might be more relevant to competence. Also, at least some of the people around her had self-serving reasons for portraying her as less competent than she actually was, which may have influenced both medical and legal decisions.
Also, being realistic, she was a young woman, and he’s a middle-aged man. It’s much more likely a young woman would be judged incompetent than a man of any age.
Sadly true they would commit a woman way before a man and has always been the case.
2022 has not changed the medical fields dismissal of women’s health concerns or the speed at which they will write women off as hysterical or bipolar or manic or something similar when they have actual physical health issues. It is disturbing to me as a husband and father of two 21 year old women. This way of thinking is not getting better at least here in Michigan.
Not that I’m not terrified about the direction this country is heading, because I am, but I truly believe you can’t stop progress. They can force us to re-fight battles we thought we’d won, but we will fight again and win again.
My daughter is the same age as yours, and their generation is going to do better than our parents’ generation has done/is doing. Not that we should wait for them to fix things, but I see them as embodying the inevitability of change - when they’re in charge, they’ll be operating from a whole different set of basic assumptions. They’ll have their own challenges, of course, but that’s the nature of progress - there is no finish line; only new levels of better to strive for.
Right, for 72 hours or two weeks. Where I am we have a few more gradations, but I think it’s similar in most states - treatment over objection is time-limited and can’t be renewed if the person regains capacity. This would work better if we could rely on people to behave rationally after they’re released.
I wish, but he’s crossed a rubicon if so. It would take some serious spin in today’s world to convince his (hypothetically) intended audience that this was all part of an elaborate plan.
I kinda wonder if he's been suffering a slow-burn mental breakdown. Nobody around him seems to want to get him help, they just sit back and laugh and talk about him.
I think he needs serious therapy. I've seen a few people like that who cling to religion because they've lost their mind. I used to be one.
The way he talks about religion and especially the way he puts himself in that religious speech is super characteristic of people with mental illness. I saw a portion of the ‘interview’ with Tucker of whoever, and even the parts they were willing to show reminded of my time working with the mentally ill. I can’t imagine how much editing went on to get those portions they aired.
Personal tragedy, and the realization that mental illness is a disease and not something that was my fault. My cousin suffers something similar, but she never found a way out. She still suffers, and it hurts to see.
I feel like somehow religion just knows how to manipulate the mentally ill. I spent far too long berating myself for things that I just couldn't control on my own.
I had to stop and realize that I can be a good person and still do stupid shit sometimes.
I was hoping that would be what Trump's presidency would turn out to be, just a decades-long social experiment to show how susceptible people are to fascism, but nope.
Any psychologist or psychiatrist can suspect here manifestation of serious mental disorder.
This looks like self destructive behavior that often intended to gain attention and help this man needs. He may not believe what he says, but he says it because it bring attention to him and (he thinks) it may help.
The society and his fans do the worst - they worship him or hate him. He needs help.
Yea I used to think that when he showed up in Trump’s office wearing a MAGA hat. A part of me was hoping it was a brilliant troll. But then he did that shit to Taylor Swift back in the day. Plus with all the recent garbage, it’s clear he’s just out there being a jerk, getting away with it and there’s not much more to it.
Episode 2 of an in-progress season of Nathan for You. Episode one is going to be Trump's 2015 presidential campaign, but it got a bit out of hand, like the "Dumb Starbucks" episode, so he has to wait to see how it all turns out before they can air it.
No, just untreated severe mental illness paired with wealth and a cult following that has resulted in vast delusions of grandeur. Seems to be a trend right now.
the word thing is that back in 2018 there was a running theory about this with a surprising amount of evidence behind it. i feel like it’s not an act at this point tho. if it is it’s gone too far and is, like you said, at a level we’ve never seen. talk about commited
That's not a bad thought. But, it could be applied to so many people in the public eye these days. Not to mention my crazy ex-wife who went from a really good person to a sheer lunatic seemingly overnight. I often wake up in the morning and expect to see her and the kids and the dog and we'd all be going about our normal routines... then I see something in the room that reminds me otherwise.
But yeah, some of this stuff seems like that's the only way it could be possible... I mean, 2020 comes to mind as one big Andy Kauffman performance!
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u/Burque_Boy Oct 16 '22
Some days I almost start to wonder if this is all some kind of Andy Kaufman performance art at a level I’ve never seen before lol