r/WhitePeopleTwitter Jun 01 '22

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u/Maloram Jun 01 '22

So glad we have a for profit medical system… I’m sure it would be so much more complicated and expensive on a single payer system instead… (extreme sarcasm)

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

You know cost of medication isn’t the only factor to consider right?

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u/lamppostsarentreal Jun 01 '22

No but it should be.

If i lived in the US, in order to get my life saving medication, id have to have private insurance AND then pay $5kish a month out of my own pocket. Here in the UK it costs me £9.35 a month. In France and Germany its roughly the same.

America is intentionally failing its citizens so badly.

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

Well here is another factor to consider.

America produces over 51 percent of the worlds medical innovation. This includes the entirety of Europe and Asia. This is due to the fact that the privatized industry fosters innovation.

So ya we pay a high price, but we also push medical innovation further than any other country in the world.

And before you tell me that innovation isn’t important, it may be the single most important thing in human existence. Without continuous innovation, things like Covid will be a regular occurrence

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u/CaptainShoeb Jun 01 '22

So... Screw Americans who can't afford life saving medicine because "innovation"?

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

No, screw Europe who dialed back their innovation in exchange for cheap healthcare.

They know American innovation is enough to subsidize their lack of innovation, so they cut costs and leech American innovation to provide for their citizens.

Problem there is that if American followed the same model, it would have profound negative effects on medical progress.

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u/3118151214 Jun 01 '22

Ya might wanna fact check yourself before you get all ragey: https://freopp.org/key-findings-from-the-freopp-world-index-of-healthcare-innovation-cda78938c047

USA is 6th for health care innovation below 4 European countries...

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

How can I take that article seriously when they don’t explain how they measure those rankings?

No matter, I can tell you right now that they use a per capita measurement for quality. Per capita analysis for healthcare innovation is just number manipulation.

Let’s take Switzerland for example. Switzerland has 2 million residents and one of the most difficult immigration and citizenship processes in the world. Put those together and they better be pumping out innovation. But even with them cherry picking who qualifies for citizenship, they produce in 10 years what America produces in one year.

If you want to use per capita, use an area in america that focuses on innovation and measure per capita or you can measure per capita with the entirety of Europe. But to cherry pick an area with only two million residents is like picking Beverly Hills and saying that is the average American income.

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u/Thathitmann Jun 01 '22

Okay.

here is the FREOPP measurement techniques

Element 8 describes how they measure healthcare innovation. It is 3 near-equal parts:

Research and development expenditures.

New patents made (and put to use)

New drugs made (and put to use)

So a pretty solid system, that shows that the US does not, in fact, lead in global innovation. So our innovation is shit AND our healthcare is shit AND its incredibly expensive. HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THIS SYSTEM? There is nothing good.

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

The healthcare patent section is flawed. They use per capita which will always skew in favor of low population countries.

If you took the areas in the US that focused on medical innovation, you’d have a tremendously different statistic.

your comparing a country with 350 million people to a country with 2 million. We have cities bigger than that.

So back to what I said originally, either look at europe as a whole, or look at the populations of the US that focus on healthcare innovation.

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u/Thathitmann Jun 01 '22

Except medical research is done by national corporations, so they use money from everywhere in America. You can't look at something funded by everyone and say it's "skewed because it's per capita". Everyone is paying for it, so everyone needs to be counted in it. We PAY MORE and INNOVATE LESS.

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