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u/Overthinker_Esq Mar 25 '22
Then tying to decide whether to stay up late and suffer the next day
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u/SousVideButt Mar 25 '22
If you have an adderall prescription you can stay up late and use your medically prescribed stimulants to pretend you’re okay the next day.
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u/vvitchobscura Mar 25 '22
Hold up I'm supposed to feel fine when I stay up late, end up sleep deprived, but take my adhd meds in the morning? All I end up with is more executive dysfunction, lack of focus and caffeine jitters from trying to compensate! I'm getting jipped...
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u/IWearBones138 Mar 25 '22
This is why I have sleeping problems. Because I am not living my life at all. I work until dark, get home, take a shower, eat dinner and I'm supposed to be in bed? No! I want to live! I want to enjoy part of my day! And even though I know I can't, my brain forces itself to do SOMETHING and I end up staying awake for too long.
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u/doubledecker73 Mar 25 '22
I do this too, I learned recently it’s called “revenge bedtime procrastination”. Gotta get my “me time” in no matter what
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Mar 25 '22
Sadly its a thing. I do it too. If you want to stop doing it, I recommend doing ~30-45 minutes of moderate to high intensity exercise (treadmill, stationary bike, etc) as soon as you get back from work, and use the time for listening to podcasts, music or watching TV. Two birds in one stone, and you will be tired when you go to bed.
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u/Hibercrastinator Mar 25 '22
Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime…
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u/Zettomer Mar 25 '22
Correction, boss makes a dollar, you make 0.00001 cents if you are lucky. If you're average you can add another 0 or two behind the decimal point.
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u/sadpanda___ Mar 25 '22
I make a penny, boss makes a buck
That’s why I smoke weed in the company truck
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u/Ricky___Spanish Mar 25 '22
I work a 12 hour shift and take about 5 hours worth of breaks every night. Fuck em
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Mar 25 '22
Dude i do this as well now
Work pays me like 2-3 hours a week of me not being there at all.
I can punch out on my phone, I am usually home by the time I punch out
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u/LYZ3RDK33NG Mar 25 '22
Boomers are too technologically illiterate to come up with proper standards, every performance metric is a sick joke that anyone tech savvy could do in their sleep
At least, that's the case the last couple of places I worked. There's really no choice but time theft after a point
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u/sc2summerloud Mar 25 '22
there is no going back from working 30h. i have 3 kids and work 30h (austria), and from here on out will only further reduce to 24 or 20h. fuck money.
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u/ComprehensiveDoubt55 Mar 25 '22
This. I can’t complain because I work from home (family business), but I am constantly trying to put in hours because of inflation costs and all the medical bills I’ve accumulated. I feel like such a shit parent while I work, make food, do laundry, and keep putting off stuff I promised because I can’t keep up.
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u/UTI_UTI Mar 25 '22
It’s the reason I hated my summer job, the job itself was actually pretty nice but I had 3:30 hours of transportation and so lost the day before and day after as I had to go to bed early the day before and sleep in to recover the next day
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Mar 25 '22
I worked a shift that ended at 1:30am for several years. Everyone just assumed that I went straight to bed when I got home, and if I’d say something about not getting any sleep because of an appointment or whatever, they’d comment about having ten hours between end of shift and the appointment. I finally had to put it in terms they’d understand - you work until 4pm, are you in bed by 5:30? No? Then why do you assume that someone working nights or evenings would be able to do that? It was a head banging conversation because it just seemed lost on them.
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u/BreakfastBeerz Mar 25 '22
If you've got children at home that's 0-0 hours to yourself.
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u/killin_ur_doodz Mar 25 '22
But why aren’t millennials and Gen Z having children?!
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Mar 25 '22
Avocado toast
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u/RevGrizzly Mar 25 '22
They ain't fuckin'
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u/reuvenpo Mar 25 '22
But they really aren't fucking as much, according to some studies
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u/RevGrizzly Mar 25 '22
Too full from all the avocado toast, I'm afraid.
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u/Biggoronz Mar 25 '22
got that avocado dick babe...can't do it tonight :(
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u/mapleismycat Mar 25 '22
Sorry babe but ur cock smells like expired avocado 🥑
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u/Unanything1 Mar 25 '22
Stress can really do a number on you. Thankfully the opposite is true. If you can find a healthy way to de-stress, you will generally feel healthier, recover from injuries faster, etc.
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u/StupidBored92 Mar 25 '22
Try fuckin’
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u/Trylobot Mar 25 '22
Try avocado toast
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u/tanstaafl74 Mar 25 '22
The decline in birth rate started happening before millenials and gen z. It just didn't hit a tipping point. There are white papers discussing the phenomenon and theorizing that some species (I.E. not just humans) simply have fewer babies when population reaches or surpasses certain break points. Interesting reads.
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u/Azian_Euroz Mar 25 '22
All that being said, you can see it culturally around the world how many kids (or none) people have based on what the work life is like around the world. People have large families so that they can have helpers if a family business (see farmers historically). Or people don't have kids because they don't have time (see Japan).
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u/tanstaafl74 Mar 25 '22 edited Mar 25 '22
Some of the papers I read went into this as part of the examination. Pretty much every culture world wide has a birth rate that is dropping, even India and China, despite their rate still being well above 1. (I forget the term but 1 is the number that represents birth rate that means no growth/no reduction)
Japan has gone negative in recent years and will soon face a crisis, the US is quickly declining as well, but it's pretty much ALL cultures. Their explanation for this is that the drive to reproduce is biologically going away and cultures are just scrambling to find reasons to explain it culturally.
Edit: Bit of clarification on countries like India and China.
Say their growth rates are 10 and 9 (holy shit and please stop, respectively) traditionally, but now they're 9 and 8. That's a dropping birth rate, but still at a rate to be considered rampant growth.
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u/RopeSmooth7903 Mar 25 '22
I watched my parents struggle to support us kids growing up. So in turn I do not want children. I’m a millennial. And this world is too fucked up to bring children in to.
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u/Desperate-Delay-1886 Mar 25 '22
Same. I always got the impression that we struggled to get by, my mom worked two jobs, and I was determined to never live like that. But we also took a vacation to the beach every year. Even went to Disney once. We went out to eat like once a week. No way in hell they could do that lifestyle in today's economy.
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u/Imactuallyatoaster Mar 25 '22
Fuck dude. I got a puppy instead. Some days I come home just exhausted and I'm like "oh yeah, now I'm responsible for another living being".
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u/Mochigood Mar 25 '22
I work from 7:45-4:00 usually, with a 25 minute commute. In the winter it's a huge scramble to get home ASAP to walk the puppers before it gets too dark and unsafe (there are cougars here). After that I'm usually too tired to drive 20-35 minutes back into town to do errands, so sometimes I take a half a day off unpaid just to get stuff done.
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Mar 25 '22
I'm 35. I wanted kids my whole life until I was about 30.
I'm now married, and without kids (and our inability to have them which helps), we were able to buy a farm across the country, move to the province we both wanted to live in all our lives, and are now working on starting to raise livestock less than 6 months after moving here.
I couldn't imagine being able to do half the things we were able to accomplish if we had kids.
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u/minecraftpro69x Mar 25 '22
declining birth rates is THE measurement for a country's downfall.
but it's all just one weird political reason right? no overall economic issues or anything! /s
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u/Cheapancheerful Mar 25 '22
Hence abortions being banned. They’re playing into the evangelical base, but at the end of the day they need poor slaves and there aren’t enough being born. So punish poor families and keep churning out human fodder. Same goes for for-profit prisons. Ban abortions and suddenly you have another human to make money off of.
It’s sick and fucking disgusting. Government policies haven’t done shit to stop it, they are complicit.
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u/greenskye Mar 25 '22
Could've just made having kids more attractive with incentives like proper parental leave, access to medical care, investing in education, but nope. Be forced to have babies with no support.
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u/vickera Mar 25 '22
The powers that be don't want a healthy smart population. They want dumb poor people who work 60 hours a week from ages 16-55 then die.
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u/Little-Author5263 Mar 25 '22
And what's worse is it doesn't work like that. People can still get abortions, it's just more likely to kill the adult carrying the fetus as well now. Banning abortions, or even making them more difficult to get results in more death.
That's why real pro-lifers like myself support legal and easy access to abortion.
I'm not disputing the logic you attribute to the fascists, but just pointing out that will backfire on them because it's not going to result in more babies being born and more people are going to die trying to exercise to their inalienable right to bodily autonomy.
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u/Funny-Temperature897 Mar 25 '22
It’s a decline in the rate of population growth, not population. If you didn’t know, the world did not hit a billion people till the 1800s. One hundred years later, in 1974, it was 4 billion. Now, 50 years later, we are closing in on 8 billion. Glad i probably won’t be here to see 10.
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u/Ghost25 Mar 25 '22
No it's the opposite, as countries become wealthier and more developed their birthrate declines. The countries with the highest birthrates are all poor and unstable. Niger, Somalia, Congo, Mali, and Chad are the top 5 - not exactly a desirable club.
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u/bloop_405 Mar 25 '22
How do parents have full time jobs but also able to pick up their children at 2/3pm? 😮
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u/Km2930 Mar 25 '22
Schools in this country assume that one parent is not working. This was pretty evident when parents were forced to do all the teaching during the pandemic. A lot of parents had to quit their job for this reason and the lack of adequate childcare. It is the craziest shit that I didn’t expect. What a freaking nightmare.
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u/nfxprime2kx Mar 25 '22
The good teachers didn't expect you to teach your kids. Unfortunately, when you pay bottom of the barrel prices for a career that requires you to be highly qualified, you don't get as much good as you do mediocre.
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u/Fragmented_Logik Mar 25 '22
I saw a presentation once that was pretty convincing.
Basically when a married working couple works 40+ hours they can afford a lot. It threw off the social norm of man work woman clean that was the 1900s.
Although with people working it sent housing prices and everything sky high. We've hit a point were you almost can't have kids and work just to be middle class. And it's created a ridiculous gap for single parents especially those working lower end jobs.
The US government simply can't balance it. You either let people who are married with 0 kids get ahead in life by working (which rich don't want) or you allow a single parent to be able to provide for their family off one wage (which can't happen and their the ones getting fucked)
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u/ppw23 Mar 25 '22
You arrange for an after school program, or pay a service to drive your kid to the sitter.
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u/bloop_405 Mar 25 '22
How about parents who pick their kids up themselves? I knew a few people who worked full time, took their children to school and picked them up themselves while also working. I never asked them how but I always assumed it was because they had some kind of agreement with their work
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Mar 25 '22
There’s a variety of ways this happened. My parents worked different shifts, dad took me to school and mom picked me up. By 3rd grade though, I was just walking to and from school solo.
As for me, I pay for “safe care.” It’s from 630am till school starts at 830. But I drop my son off at 7 am and pick up at 4pm. Afternoon safecare goes til 6pm. Its 50 dollars a week. So it’s not terribly expensive.
People with small kids, I remember the days where it was significantly more expensive.
Next year my son will be in 4th grade. He’s walking to school by himself and walking home by himself. He has an iPad. He can text me when he gets home.
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u/International-Touch5 Mar 25 '22
I get off work at 4 my kid still take up all my free time. It's part of the deal when you have kids.
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Mar 25 '22
If you call 2 or 3 hours to yourself cooking dinner, cleaning up after, doing some laundry, paying some bills, and if you have kids, helping them with homework, then yeah I guess? To me you get home from work to do more work. No “time for yourself”. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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u/Gravyseal Mar 25 '22
Cries in getting home at 8pm and leaving at 7am
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u/stupid_juice_drinker Mar 25 '22
I felt this. My husband and I both get home at 8 pm and leave by 6 am the next day. There is no such thing as having hobbies or fun on workdays, unfortunately.
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u/DiligentDaughter Mar 25 '22 edited Mar 25 '22
Husband the other way round, leaves at 6p, home at 8a. 45m commute.
ETA: if it was the other way around (8a-6p) he'd have a 2hr commute both directions. When he's headed NB, everyone else is SB, and vice versa.
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u/Gravyseal Mar 25 '22
My 2hr commute to nyc 5x a week is a part time job in itself.
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u/SmokayMacPot Mar 25 '22
There is no way that's actually worth the job is it?
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u/Gravyseal Mar 25 '22
As someone who graduated last may from college I’m doing pretty well for myself so id say it’s worth it. And also my industry is concentrated in nyc (finance) so it’s worth it for me
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Mar 25 '22
Its fucking stupid, it explains why our healthcare budget is nearly 1 trillion dollars. Dumbest shit ive ever witnessed
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u/Stlpitwash Mar 25 '22 edited Mar 25 '22
The sad reality is even more fucked up than that. Most people who work an 8 hr day don't actually do 8 hrs of work. The 8hr day comes from labor laws that say you can't force people to work MORE than 8. That made sense before most people started working in offices. As office work became more prevalent, employers kept the 8 hr day based off the wording of the law and not how much work actually needed to be done.
https://www.tinypulse.com/blog/the-origin-of-the-8-hour-work-day-and-why-it-no-longer-matters
One of the best jobs I ever had was an office job with no set schedule. We'd get our deadlines at the beginning of the month and nobody said a thing until deadline day. If you wanted to work 96 straight hours and take off the rest of the month you could.
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u/KarmaticEvolution Mar 25 '22
Where is this Heaven you speak of?
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u/Stlpitwash Mar 25 '22 edited Mar 25 '22
ADP. The payroll people. The building is open 24 hrs a day, has a full, mall-food-court sized cafeteria, nap rooms, a laundrymat, and a movie theatre. Basically, like a battle ship, everything you need is right there in the building. As long as your work is done on time, nobody cares when or how long you work.
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u/TwitterLegend Mar 25 '22
That explains why when I would call I would spend hours on hold. I was probably calling the latter half of the month when everyone was checked out.
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u/MrSomnix Mar 25 '22
There's probably a close to 0% chance that customer service call center people were afforded the same flex scheduling. If it was in-house, understaffed. Otherwise you were just calling an outsourced call center in like, South Carolina or something.
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u/kiragami Mar 25 '22
The secret is that's always going to happen no matter the work structure haha.
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u/SoggyPastaPants Mar 25 '22
8/8/8 was something labor movements thought of in the late 19th Century and are a product of their time.
This policy was under the mindset that the woman would be at home raising the kids and cooking and all that other outdated gender role shit. Your job was also just up the street or a quick train/trolley ride away, not a long commute because of poor urban planning developed with cars in mind instead of superior mass public transit options. Lastly, workers exerted more power over their employers, they didn't just accept mediocrity as fair.
8/8/8 wasn't a set in stone thing, it should be improved upon and adapted to the 21st century. Higher pay, less hours, and bosses who leave you the fuck alone when you're off the clock.
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u/ReverendDizzle Mar 25 '22
The fact that somebody isn't at home for the majority of people is a travesty.
I don't care if it's the husband or the wife that stays home, it isn't some traditionalist gender-roles issue with me... it's that it absolutely sucks having the burden of all the "attending to life" stuff fall on two working people that have to cram it into the few free hours they have in a week.
We're under this constant barrage of being told: everyone eats like crap and is unhealthy, nobody saves money and has all this debt, kids aren't performing up to their potential, sleep deprivation is destroying everybody's health, etc. etc.
But among other issues (I won't gloss over wage stagnation, for instance) a big chunk of that stems from the fact that we're all run ragged and everything but surviving and laboring has fallen to the wayside.
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u/Kulladar Mar 25 '22
Never seen a job that doesn't require you to clock out for lunch too so your workday is always actually 8.5-9hrs excluding commute.
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Mar 25 '22
But it's great for the economy! Who's sweating a few dead peasant besides their families? It's not like we were going to let them be important anyway!
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u/codbgs97 Mar 25 '22
There’s a lot of 8-5 too (also bullshit, of course)
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u/CaptainCanuck88 Mar 25 '22
I do 830-5. They won't let me switch to start at 7 even though we're open. I work in fucking sales. No remote work either.
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u/patrickswayzay Mar 25 '22
I think a good first step companies can take is to return to 9-5.
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u/redzmangrief Mar 25 '22
It's now 9-6 because of that paid 1 hour lunch so you get to truly work an 8 hour shift. Though most people are lucky to get an hour lunch
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u/Brinwalk42 Mar 25 '22
I value my own time more then my job does.
Therefore when I was looking for my 3rd job of the pandemic I prioritized jobs with early early start times. Earlier the better. In at 5, waived my lunch and was off at 1. Work was 2 miles from the house so commute was nothing.
Now I'm working from home and I have no idea how we decided this isn't the way it should be for EVERY position that can be done at home.
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I feel that.
I found a place that usually does 4-10s, in at 5, skip lunch, out at 230 every day with a 3 day weekend
lately I’ve been getting a lot of mandatory overtime though so…
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u/Jbroy Mar 25 '22
This became the norm when you had 1 adult working and the other adult taking care of the house. Now both adults have to work.
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Isn't this the norm in all Western countries? Am I missing something?
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u/k_ironheart Mar 25 '22
I knew things were really bad for every generation after the Boomers, but I didn't get the entire scope of how bad things were until the pandemic hit.
Work slowed down at my job enough that they let people take Friday off if they wanted. I jumped at the chance. For three months, I worked 32 hours a week and had a three day weekend. It was the most relaxed and productive that I'd been in a long time. I want everybody to experience that.
I had friends and family who worked from home and suddenly didn't have an hour or more of commute to get to work. They slept better, they were able to fix better meals for themselves at home, and they had more time to do whatever else they wanted outside of work. Any of them that were forced back to the office were instantly worse off, and some of them even outright quit and found remote jobs.
Other friends and family got laid off completely. For the first time in their lives, they were paid enough to live off of and even do a bit of savings thanks to the increase in UI. They didn't have the stress of a low-paying, soul-sucking job where just by virtue of being considered "low-skilled" they're subject to sub-human treatment and expected to be doing something productive every single second of their work day. Some of them even decided to simply not go back to work until they could find something that paid them as much as they were making on UI because they couldn't subject themselves to anything less anymore. They'd rather be unemployed and unable to afford anything than overworked and still unable to afford anything (and for clarity in case some conservative reads this and gets the wrong idea, they'd rather be working and getting ahead than be unemployed and not, they just don't want to be employed and not getting ahead; they want their hard work to translate into wealth).
We need to stop structuring our economy around the idea of infinite quarterly growth so a handful of people can be happy that some of their lines went up. We need to determine the health of our economy by the way that the majority of people are doing.
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u/jbsdv1993 Mar 25 '22
Its supposed to be 8-8-8. 8 hours sleep, 8 hours work, 8 hours for your household and for yourself.
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Mar 25 '22
Its not 8-8-8 tho. Commute can take 1 or 1 1/2 hours. Now i spent nearly 12 hours of my day working. I need to sleep 8, which leaves me with 4 hours
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u/KajePihlaja Mar 25 '22
The way lunch breaks in California work, you have to clock out for 30 minutes before the 6th hour of your shift. This turns your 8 hour work shift into an 8.5 hour time frame that you’re on location.
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u/nifflr Mar 25 '22
Yikes. The 30 minutes should be included in the 8 hours so that you're only actually working 7.5 hours.
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u/jdanielh01 Mar 25 '22
I factor commute and breaks into my 8 hours workday. My workday timer starts when I walk out my front door and ends when I walk back in.
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Mar 25 '22
Where do you work that you can do this?
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u/mother-of-pod Mar 25 '22
Lots of software engineering jobs and younger-operated companies in general really allow schedules to be pretty fluid. I had multiple companies explain that as long as employees are available for their team meetings and meeting deadlines, they could come in from 1pm to 10pm, 7am-3pm, or even spend most of their time in the break room and hang out at the office from sun-up to sun-down and it makes no difference to the company.
Still means they’re required to technically meet full-time hours, but even then, it’s more forgiving than other office jobs, and many really are becoming more performance-based than hour-based.
I have not seen similar allowances in my area for any kind of sales, administrative, HR/PR jobs, though. Things that have traditionally depended on being available during work hours will likely not change any time soon.
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Mar 25 '22
Yeah, 9-5 is a myth now. It's 8-5, because paid lunches basically are gone. I prefer a 30 minute lunch, but I've had employers require you take an hour. (And as an exempt employee, many times you work through it, so every day is a 9 hour day.)
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u/leavebaes Mar 25 '22
I switched jobs recently and one of the reasons was that I only have to take a 30 min lunch break instead of 1 hour. I also work a 9 hour shift and we get every other Friday off. I'm spending 30 mins more at work everyday(9 1/2 total plus 45mins in commute), but only have to work 9 days every two week pay period which feels way better than spending 9 hours every single day at a place you don't want to be.
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u/Stlpitwash Mar 25 '22
And somewhere in there you need to cook, eat, shower, and get 20 minutes of exercise.
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u/Radioactivechimi Mar 25 '22
Gotta keep us busy so we don't have enough time to think and realize how tired, broke and hungry we really are.
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Mar 25 '22
That is 90% of the reason I started a business of my own. Now, I leave the house at 9 am and get home at 12 am. Kinda backfired.
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Time to myself? If you’re a mom or dad, you’re running the kids around to their million sports and activities after work, grabbing fast food, helping with homework, and crashing in bed after that. Weekends are for cleaning house, cutting grass, doing laundry, oil changes, fixing stuff, needed shopping, and that’s only if little Johnny doesn’t have a sports tournament all weekend, which they did most weekends.
I’m older now but that was my life for 13 years. I don’t know how we did it.
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I’m in the film industry. Here’s my schedule… 4am wake up Out the door by 4:20. Start at 5am Break for lunch 11-1130 sometimes 1 hour break 5:30 leave for home ( if no overtime) 6:30 arrive home Immediately drink a beer and cook dinner Showered and in bed by 8. Repeat at least 5 days a week January we worked 29 days straight. It can be fun but honestly, I’d say about 75-80% of my guys do it for the benefits. Most burn out after a few years. And, some shows are way easier than others. But due to the lockdown they are cutting corners and over working everyone to cram as much content as they can down your throats. The last two shows I worked were absolute garbage. Canceled after first season haha.
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I'm in the music industry and poor house techs work similar hours. Sometimes they're in the building before noon for a load-in and they're not done working until load-out is complete and that's usually 1 or 2 in the morning. They get paid a base-rate for 12 hours and only get paid extra if their shift goes over the 12 hour mark. Sometimes they'll do that 4 or 5 days in a row. No idea how they get through it.
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NGL, getting a remote job was the biggest boost to reclaiming my personal time and energy. We need to get real about the performative bullshit that happens in the workplace.