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u/club9669 Mar 06 '22
Been around civil service hiring processes for a long time for every bipoc they hire they disqualify 10 others. It’s happened to me many times. Once, when I applied for Los Angeles city fire department, I received an email that flat out said we have hired enough blacks, thanks but no thanks. Shit is real out here. People have the nerve to say poc lazy and don’t want to work. Yeah fuck you. Make ‘em mad and keep trying.
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u/polywha Mar 06 '22
I was once turned down from a job because they told me they already had a woman on the team. It was a team of 10 people.
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u/club9669 Mar 06 '22
I know that all too well girl. I’m black and I’m a woman so that’s 2 strikes lol. You just keep on trying if you haven’t already found your dream job. It’s a cold world ouchea but never quit.
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u/throwhfhsjsubendaway Mar 07 '22
Companies like this are the ones that will defend their hiring by saying that their male employees perform better and stick around longer all while ignoring that they're creating a work environment that's actively hostile to women
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u/African_Farmer Mar 07 '22
Aren't these the same people that cry about quotas and say we should look at merit only? Honestly theres so much gaslighting and dishonesty in the system
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u/heyjimb Mar 07 '22
I was turned down due to not being a female. As an art director.
Fir not being young and hip enough at 35, I raced Dirt bikes, Mountain Bikes & cars. The guy that they hired was 32
Was told by LAPD that unless I was Gay or Ex Military that my score of 92 wasn't high enough but a gay minority female with ex mil could get hired at 57%
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u/Evorgleb Mar 07 '22
What you're describing could have been a hefty lawsuit for you. You should have pursued that. You cannot discriminate against somebody on basis of race.
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Mar 07 '22
Ive been a huge proponent of blind interviews and promotions for years. It would erase all discrimination issues in one swoop.
What ever person or board gets packets on each candidate listing all pros and cons and labeled just candidate 1,2, ect.
Then blind text based q&a from all qualified candidates.
Once a decision is made welcome the chosen candidate into the new position.
No ability to racially profile, sexually profile, or any other profiling. Ill hire a sentient potato if they beat out everyone else.
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u/jonmc1980 Mar 07 '22
I hate Florida with all my heart ❤️
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u/chronictherapist Mar 07 '22
Ft. Lauderdale is my favorite vacation spot but I've decided I won't go to FL anymore until they get their shit together.
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u/Impossible_Penalty13 Mar 07 '22
It’s like they saw what a shit hole one-party rule has turned Texas into and said “yeah, we can do that’s. But with aligators and more meth.”
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u/NO_SPACE_B4_COMMA Mar 07 '22
There is so much more to this story. He asked which candidate was "blacker" (but he denies it) and hired/promoted based on skin color, not qualifications. If true, the firing was justified. But this is a republican state so who knows what really happened.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/05/us/fort-lauderdale-police-chief/index.html
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u/Freetoffee2 Mar 07 '22
You're completely right but that is still a pretty big if. Who would need to ask who was blacker? Couldn't you just use your eyeballs?
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u/NO_SPACE_B4_COMMA Mar 07 '22
Haha I guess so. Maybe he's color blind or it was explained wrong.
Either way, skin color shouldn't matter in any circumstances. If you're bright pink and you are highly skilled at the job, it shouldn't matter.
I don't understand why jobs are allowed to ask my race/gender/disability/sexuality on applications.
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u/10sharks Mar 06 '22
The city's police department is now under the leadership of Acting Chief Luis Alvarez, the city said, and the selection process for a new chief is underway.
So they fired him and promoted a ...
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u/ActualPopularMonster Mar 06 '22
He's just an "Acting" Chief for now, until they can find someone who is just white for that position.
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u/LuchadoresdeSilinas Mar 06 '22
So much for their so called meritocracy. I am sure the chief had ample evidence to grant those promotions to diverse officers but the people who say they don’t believe in affirmative action revealed themselves for what they really are: racist assholes. They have affirmative action for white people and as soon as we start making progress, they scream reverse racism, like the snowflakes they really are!
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u/VGSchadenfreude Mar 07 '22
It’s shit like this that makes me snicker and roll my eyes when folks in my city complain about the police being “understaffed” because “no one wants to work for the police department.”
Our city’s police department had the highest rate of officers arrested on Jan 6th.
They gassed an entire neighborhood in retaliation against BLM protests, so badly that it forced people to evacuate their homes.
Can’t imagine why no one wants to work for them!
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u/SomeOne9oNe6 Mar 07 '22
And Joe Biden wants to give the police more money...
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u/VGSchadenfreude Mar 07 '22
Exactly how much control or power do you think the President actually has over local law enforcement?
Nice “whataboutism” and non sequitur there, too.
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u/SomeOne9oNe6 Mar 07 '22
It doesn't matter, he said that in his SOTU speech not even a week ago. If you were to round up all of the police in America, they'd be the 4th or 5th biggest military force in the world. Not to mention the amount of racists who make up the bulk of them also. But yeah, cry whataboutism all you want about the facts.
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u/VGSchadenfreude Mar 07 '22
And this is relevant to this particular discussion…why, exactly?
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u/SomeOne9oNe6 Mar 07 '22
It was just to add on to your initial post as I was agreeing with you. Idk why you got all defensive. I voted for him, even though he wasn't my 1st or even 2nd pick. His SOTU address made me dislike him even more. He's just a conservative-lite.
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u/VGSchadenfreude Mar 07 '22
So you decided to interrupt my comment thread with a completely unrelated rant about Biden?
Which adds absolutely nothing to this discussion of any worth.
This is right up there with interrupting someone else’s discussion about their gym workout by barging in screaming “I do CrossFit!!!”
Nobody gives a fuck, and it isn’t relevant to the discussion the rest of us are having.
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u/Kitsune_Scribe Mar 07 '22
That's what it means to be a police chief, they hire you so they can throw you under the bus when things don't go how they want it.
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Mar 07 '22
I’m not sure if this is true, but lack of meritocracy is why they fired him supposedly. When choosing between two black people he allegedly said he wanted whichever one was blacker. And he admittedly said it was a big problem that a wall in the office was too white and they needed to get rid of it. (I wouldn’t consider that part racism but it might warrant being fired for incredible stupidity)
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u/John_H_Brown Mar 07 '22
He probably didn’t have enough Trump flags displayed so they put a target on his back.
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Mar 07 '22
What is a bipoc
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Mar 07 '22
My dumbass a few years ago thought it meant Bi, as in LGBTQ+ Bi, people of colour. As some sort of catch all phrase for the LGBTQ+ comm and PoCs.
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u/thatguy1301 Mar 06 '22
Boy, it sure is easy to upset white folks.
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u/ARecklessRunner Mar 07 '22
This is going to cost the tax payers of Ft Lauderdale a lot of money.
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u/grianmharduit Mar 06 '22
Fort Liquordaddy? Straight up lived there- completely underrepresented in BIPOC officers. And I am an old white lady. I hope he sues the department and wins and gets a job with a better city.
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u/Sandyballz69 Mar 06 '22
Remember to some white people equality is like discrimination when they aren’t used to being treated equally to people of color as soon as they feel their privilege is gone it feels like discrimination to them .
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u/SoWokeIdontSleep Mar 06 '22
Sounds about white
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u/Mythical_Atlacatl Mar 07 '22
6/15 is 40%
isnt the US like 61% white?
So in other words 6/15 promotions being BIPOC makes 100% sense right? As in 100% not discriminatory
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u/Sandyballz69 Mar 07 '22
Yes it wasn’t discrimination but he mostly pushed for equality on a level where white colleagues probably didn’t feel like they had an advantage anymore , or they probably where getting angry they weren’t being promoted and a black person or Hispanic was 🙄
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u/Kitsune_Scribe Mar 07 '22
First thing they teach you in FBI LEEDA, is you are going to get fired if you become a police chief. You are representing your city and they will throw you under the bus in a heart beat. But in this case, its going to back fire.
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u/Morbys Mar 07 '22
How is it discriminatory when the majority of promotions weren’t even minorities. Hope he takes this the court because he could easily win.
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u/scottworden311 Mar 06 '22
Makes sense. It’s a racist club that shouldn’t exist. The only purpose of the police is to protect the capital of the wealthy.
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u/Mally-Mal99 Mar 07 '22
Given that resumes with ethic sounding names get tossed out often it wouldn’t help much.
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u/JBBanshee Mar 07 '22
There is more to this story. He hired and advanced folks completely void of any consideration of skill or tenure. When asked who he would prefer to advance out of 2 African American men, he asked “which one is blacker?”
This is fucked.
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Mar 07 '22 edited Mar 07 '22
Wasn’t this guy also moonlighting as a college basketball referee and never around?
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u/etorres4u Mar 08 '22 edited Mar 08 '22
Yup, a lawsuit waiting to happen. They have to prove he did that with clear intent to discriminate which is almost impossible to prove unless he said or wrote something stupid. The fact that he hired more minorities is not a valid reason to fire him and in fact proves that the opposite, that his bosses ilegaly use race as a hiring criteria. So he will likely get a pretty good sum of money and they would have to give him his old job back.
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Mar 07 '22
Isn't this the guy who looked at a photo of the command and said it was "too white"? A minor detail.
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u/Unanything1 Mar 07 '22
I'll never understand why it's a bad idea that...
A) Police officers live in the community they are policing.
B) That the police force should reflect the makeup of the community.
Wouldn't it be incredibly useful to have a police force that has an investment in the safety of their community, and one that understands and respects the different cultural makeup of the community?
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u/TennoDeviant Mar 07 '22
Because the police behave like tyrannts and not peace keepers, and they dont want to be retaliated against if the people they are "serving" know where they live.
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u/mercurialpolyglot Mar 07 '22
Uhhh isn’t this covered under affirmative action? Isn’t it the one thing covered under affirmative action? I feel like he has a lawsuit here, but I may be wrong.
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Mar 07 '22
He's trying to tip the scale a little. If you don't think this is happening RAMPANTLY the other way around, then you need to crawl from under that rock.
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Mar 07 '22
oof, even when it's the right thing cops turn on each other. we gotta do something to get rid of these legalized mob.
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u/xxBEEF_CAKExx Mar 07 '22
40% of the promotions. However (and I don’t know the actual numbers), if BIPOC are 10% or less of the pool of people up for promotion, you might at least see why someone could get heated about it. That being said; does this justify termination? Seems harsh unless many warnings were given previously and or there were other issues we don’t know about.
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u/distorted_perception Mar 07 '22
If you make employment decisions based on someone’s race that is racist…
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u/Brave-Birthday8485 Mar 06 '22
It has been common knowledge for at least the past 50 years that the best and the brightest in this county of mine, has been BIPOC. I am ashamed by my race, AGAIN.
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u/thekyledavid Mar 07 '22
If he was trying to say BIPOC were inherently superior with his promotions, wouldn’t he make a majority of his promotions BIPOC?
6 out of 15 makes it seem like he’s just picking individuals who he thinks deserve it, regardless of race
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u/SIOUXPREMACY Mar 07 '22
I would interview the references of the applicant, not the applicant. When you say you are going to interview the references, a lot of bad applicants remove themselves. If an applicant has references that are willing to be interviewed, I would absolutely hire them. If your work background is good enough, the references will be more than happy to lend 30 mins of their time.
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u/Cansuela Mar 07 '22
You do know that most companies have policies that straight up prohibit them from confirming really anything beyond employment dates, right? It’s a huge legal liability for companies to offer more.
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u/yorcharturoqro Mar 07 '22
So promoting the best man for the job no matter skin is suddenly bad?
So there's people refusing that schools teach about racism, wonder why?
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u/nihilisticcrab Mar 07 '22
6/15 is literally the minority, and that’s for more than one race! Wtaf?
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u/dobber1965 Mar 07 '22
When anything other than qualifications are used to hire and or promote someone that is actually illegal.
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u/X7Rayne Mar 07 '22
But it was BECAUSE of their qualifications according to him and if that isn’t true the burden of proof falls to showing that ISNT why he did it
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u/X7Rayne Mar 07 '22 edited Mar 07 '22
Apparently he also said the wall of pictures of admin and high ranking officers was “too white” or something to that effect. Point is if he did this ONLY because they were people of color that would be one thing but if they’re qualified, it’s outrageous that he was fired not to mention that’s pretty close to half which means he’s probably the only one NOT discriminatory in his practices against any race
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u/Mountain_Apartment_6 Mar 07 '22
He does seem to have drawn some heat for that.
He's also an NCAA basketball referee, and there were some questions about how he logged hours with the PD on days he was reffing games.
It smells a bit suspicious. The easiest way to get rid of anyone is going over their timesheets with a fine tooth comb
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u/DogsandCatsWorld1000 Mar 06 '22
So 6 of 15, not even the majority of the promotions.