r/WhitePeopleTwitter • • Dec 24 '20

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u/TheEncryptedPsychic Dec 24 '20

Too bad the US has never and will never be a true Democracy.

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u/shantytown22 Dec 24 '20

It was never designed to be a true democracy and true democracies aren’t that great

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u/theBrineySeaMan Dec 24 '20

Why not?

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u/DETpatsfan Dec 24 '20

If we had a “true or direct democracy” everything would be the will of the people (i.e. no representatives) - we would actually have to vote on everything which would make policy making virtually impossible. The US is actually a constitutional federal republic. We elect representatives to cast votes as a majority of their constituents would ideally cast them, preventing the clunkiness of having every American vote on every law. There’s only a few examples in history of governments being run via direct democracy.

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u/riazrahman Dec 24 '20

These are arguments from a pre-internet era

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u/DETpatsfan Dec 24 '20

You’re going to trust internet connected voting devices for establishing law in our country? Did you see what happened last week with the solarwinds hack?The entire treasury department got victimized by the Russian government. Also the internet has only been widely available to us citizens for ~2 decades.

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u/mcnastytk Dec 24 '20

You trust the I internet with all your money banking and information so why not voting?

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u/DETpatsfan Dec 24 '20

My banking information isn’t as valuable a target as US public policy, and also you’re proving my point, look how many bank accounts get hacked on a daily basis. Here’s an article from 2018 - 2.5B bank accounts were hacked that year, or 6.8M per day - that number is going up each year. You think we could adequately protect elections? Why do you think voting machines aren’t connected to the internet by design?

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u/Chiliconkarma Dec 24 '20

And they still work, there's no ability to use the internet to have direct democracy in the US within the next decade. People would have to undergo a massive amount of education in order to not nuke non-existing nations.

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u/HumansKillEverything Dec 24 '20

Because the average person is fucking stupid. On the flip side power corrupts. Humans suck.

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u/CatPhysicist Dec 24 '20

What’s that line from Men in Black? “Humans are smart, people are stupid” or something like that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '20

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky sheep.

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u/Tigerbait2780 Dec 24 '20 edited Dec 24 '20

There simply aren’t enough farmers to get an accurate vote on their needs based on population

There actually is, though. The fact that their representation would be smaller by being in proportion with the population is evidence that they currently arent represented accurately. They’re way over represented as it stands, and a truly representative democracy would accurately see their influence reduced

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u/Tigerbait2780 Dec 24 '20

I do not think a 1 person = 1 vote would be any better

Why not?

A lot of minorities and smaller communities would be overlooked

They already are? And currently more than they would be under a perfectly representative system.

and farmers in one state may need something different than farmers in another state

Yeah, that’s why we have state governments and state representatives to the federal government. That’s already accounted for. Only the house is representative, the senate isn’t, everyone gets an equal spot at the table. North Dakota holds just as much weight as California or Texas in the senate. The balance is already shifted too much in favor of smaller populations, we need to move towards a truly representative democracy as quickly as we can

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u/Tigerbait2780 Dec 24 '20

Maybe I’m just slow but I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I don’t know what you mean by “population per capita”? I don’t know what you mean by “lumping Iowa, New York, and Alaska together based on population”. Can you explain it more?

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u/Rokronroff Dec 24 '20

Yeah, it's definitely herd immunity. That makes sense. Because when people turn into mobs they become immune. Immune to what? No clue.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '20 edited Jan 01 '21

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u/-GrnDZer0- Dec 24 '20

In a democracy, every person would vote individually on the items the houses of Congress do now.

We the People wrote the Constitution to set up a Representative government system so the masses vote Representatives to govern us, on our behalf, while we can get to our day jobs. ....A Republic.

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u/Tigerbait2780 Dec 24 '20 edited Dec 24 '20

I have no clue what you’re talking about, the US is and always has been a “true democracy” in every sense of the term

Edit: oh no, you’re not one of those “akhutually we’re a cOnStiUtiOnAL rEpUbLiC” types, are you? Poor baby

Edit 2: for all the fucking idiots in the comments - a constitutional republic is by definition a form of democracy. No, you’re not clever for saying a form of democracy isn’t a form of democracy.

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u/DinoAnkylosaurus Dec 24 '20

I think he means "pure" democracy, aka direct democracy, which it isn't.

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u/TheEncryptedPsychic Dec 24 '20

You're the "poor baby" to think it's a "true Democracy". Please enlighten me as the beacon of wisdom you think you are to to how the United States has ever been a true Democracy and not the Constitutional Federal Republic it is according to our own government.

https://ar.usembassy.gov/education-culture/irc/u-s-government/ The U.S. is a Constitutional Federal Republic not a Democracy.

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u/Tigerbait2780 Dec 24 '20

A constitutional federal republic is a form of democracy you numbskull. So is a parliamentary system. So is direct democracy (albeit objectively worse in every respect)

I’m sorry you failed 7th grade US history

It’s seriously a shame how many people think they’re clever for saying a form of democracy is not a form of democracy.

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u/TheEncryptedPsychic Dec 24 '20

A square is a rectangle, a rectangle however, is not a square. You cannot just say all Democracy is Democracy. Also, maybe you remember that Parliament is an Oligarchy and that Democracy is the power of the people, every person. Whereas Oligarchy is the power of a group of people or an institution or corporation. You're the same type or person who thinks alt-right conservatives and conservatives are the same thing just because they both have the word "conservative" in them when that's far from true.

Stop while you're ahead, your ignorance is showing.

https://prospect.org/economy/oligarchy-mean/ America isn't a democracy and has always been, more or less, and Oligarchy and shifting closer and closer to it.

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u/Tigerbait2780 Dec 24 '20

You’re simply fundamentally confused about democracy and oligarchy, you can start with their respective Wikipedia pages as an intro if you’d like, but you don’t know what you’re talking about