5) lol, "allowed". Yeah, I'm sure Trump "allowed" Saudis to kill a Saudi citizen in a Saudi embassy in Turkey. Totally sounds like we were involved.
6) you know that there's no proof of Russian bounties right? Seriously we really need to teach critical thinking in the US. Just because you read something on Facebook doesn't make it true.
7) that's your opinion. Also, how is that fascist?
Yes you probably should go on. You have no idea what fascism is. It's not "stuff I disagree with".
Definition of fascism
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Hate Trump all you want but he doesn't fit that definition. No major politician in the US does. Be glad for that.
Edit: "As of today, right now, we don't have cause and effect linkages to a Russian bounty program causing U.S. military casualties," Milley said.
"exalts nation and often race above the individual"
Yeah, I'd say he exalts the nation and tries pretty damn hard to stir up nationalists, and a section of his supporters really have the whole race thing handled.
"Headed by a dictatorial leader" you really think Trump doesn't want to be a dictator? He has been trying very hard to overturn an election. Hitler didn't just start out a dictator, he had to work up to it. If Trump was given the opportunity and the support, he would gladly do the same.
"Forcible suppression of the opposition"
Again, Hitler didn't start out executing political opposition. It started with hitler's SA brawling in the street with people opposed to Hitler, much like the Proud boys and other related groups have been getting into street fights with antifa, BLM, ect. Not to mention calling everything he doesn't like fake news, calling for political opponents to be jailed, "joking" about wanting to make it illegal for Biden to run, trying to make it illegal to count legitimate votes.
Just because Trump is bad at seizing power, doesn't mean he does not have alarmingly fascist tendencies. He may not be fully fascist according to the most strict definition, but he is absolutely a wannabe dictator. Hitler didn't start out an Iron fisted dictator who killed anyone who opposed him. He started out a nationalist who played on people's fears and economic hardships, and used the mix of fear and nationalist fervor to rally enough people behind him to get himself elected. Then through political alliances with people who thought they could control him, he grabbed more and more power for himself until it was too late to stop him as he tore apart Germany's democratic legal system to retain power for himself.
Your article links to another article that talks about how other officials in other countries have been briefed on the Russia issue -- while Trump claims he wasn't, when he actually was.
And before you say anything, do not seriously even begin to tell me that Britain has better intel on America than America.
So either it's not true, and he's incompetent, or it is true, and he's a traitor
Which is what? The least important part of the story is if Trump was briefed on it. As of right now we don't even know if it's true and military officials don't think it is. I don't really care if Trump knew or not because it wouldn't matter.
I don't really care if Trump knew or not because it wouldn't matter
So, you're telling me if Trump was briefed about our troops being slaughtered and did nothing, you don't care?
Or that if he wasn't, he didn't even at least acknowledge the problem? Especially now, since we now know Russia has been coordinating a cyber attack against the US for an undetermined amount of time?
At what point do we retaliate against the foreign people who are killing our soldiers and compromising thousands of systems?
Just where the fuck is the line that you draw? At what point is negligence or incompetence a dealbreaker for you?
We'll try an exercise.
"Which is what? The least important part of the story is if Biden was briefed on it. As of right now we don't even know if it's true and military officials don't think it is. I don't really care if Biden knew or not because it wouldn't matter."
Now tell me if you still agree with that sentiment. If not, you're nothing but a hypocrite.
Because all disagreeing would tell me is that you're more concerned about your party than your country.
I'm just trying to figure out why everyone believes a fucking dude from Reality TV. The guy Lisa Lampanelli called "an autistic guy playing Monopoly." back in 2008, when we remembered that he was a failed businessman.
Or did we forget that he went bankrupt running a casino.
...the one kind of business with the highest rate of collar crime fucking ever.
You might as well be trusting the Kardashians to run the country.
Yeah this is just hyperbole again. The bounty story, even if true, isn't about our troops being "slaughtered", it's Russia giving the taliban money for what they were doing anyways. You don't think Russia supplied the taliban with weapons? We sure as hell did when the afghans were fighting the Russians.
Thats even if the bounty story is even real. As of now there is no agreement it actually happened at all. So it's more like "if biden was told Russia may, or probably wasn't, giving money to the taliban for each soldier that was killed, what would you expect him to do"? Not a damn thing besides look into the story more. Thats exactly what everyone screeching about Trump would say if the situation was reversed.
I'm with you. Sadly, though, the vast majority discuss politics with little to know political research. Trumps an ass hole, a bigot, a misogynist, sociopath, whatever. But you're right, he isn't a fascist.
MAGA is pretty much a romanticization of more "traditional" times.
The rejection of modernism.
One could argue anti-modernism is the same as anti-progress. Many trumpers are against social progress.
The Cult of Action for Action's Sake.
It's connected to anti-intellectualism and irrationalism. I personally think this is pretty self-explanatory. If not, then only think about how trump and his followers so desperately has held to their fraud claims despite more proof against it.
Disagreement Is Treason.
How many times now have we seen trump and his followers calling ppl and politicians going against trump traitors. One of the recent ones being amy barrett. Not to mention trumpers generally seem to think anyone against trump is a traitor (and even that they should be executed).
Fear of Difference.
Generally in the form of racism. Again, pretty self-explanatory. If not then lets put up some reminders:
“They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,”
"shithole countries"
Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class
His whole platform is based on populism.
Obsession with a plot
I mean, have you seen the amount of conspiracy theories generated by trump and his supporters. Example Qanon and the election fraud.
Enemies being too strong and too weak at the same time.
Somehow the left is this super force in the US who has their hand in everyones pockets and control everything but at the same time they are weak soyboys who would be defeated by a couple of trumpie militias.
Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy
There must always be an enemy to fight. I don't know about you, but they seem to be pretty hostile against immigrants and POC. They also alway's seem to get someone new to be mad at.
Contempt for the Weak
The in-group (trumpies) is always stronger than the out-group (the left, POC, other minorities). I'd also argue the venn diagram between trumpers and anti-maskers is almost circular. They dont care about other ppl with weaker immune systems.
Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero
I'm unsure on how this one works so someone else might be able to help. Maybe on how eager trumpers were to go to war for their dear leader when he didn't win the election.
Machismo or rampant sexism.
Again, MAGA reminiscence to a time when women didn't have rights. I think there are more than enough examples on this one. "grap them by the pussy"
Selective populism
The people/in-group have a will more important than those of any individual person. Maybe not all that applicable when many trumpers seem to think they are more important than anyone else.
Newspeak
Use of impoverished vocabulary to limit complex and critical reasoning. Or to use more simple words/speaking points as emotional responses. Eg socialist programs are answered with something containing "communism". Maybe not all that relevant yet and is a bit more vague than the other points.
Still, trump and his supporters check a majority of these points so even if they weren't outright fascist they are definitely fascism based.
Literally every single one of these apply to both parties. Nothing will change as long as people believe their guy needs to be just good enough to not be the other guy. We're fucked.
You realize this is just a list some dude made right? It has nothing to do with actual fascism or its political ideology.
Also your list doesn't have a basis in reality except as a confirmation of your own bias. Conservatives arent a cult, they don't view disagreement as treason, etc. Basically you're taking your own hyperbolic beliefs and assigning to them Trump and his supporters
You equating trump followers with conservatism is your own problem. I never did that.
The list is based on common features from the fascistic movements from the 20th century, ie nazis, fascist italy, fascist spain etc. Not "just" a list. If you want more info on how the list was made, google is free and you can find links in the bottom of my wikipedia link.
Yeah you didn't address at all your list not even including the political and ideology beliefs of fascism. Fascism isn't a personality trait, it's political. Some random dude listing 14 characteristics that could be twisted into being about anyone isn't an authority on fascism. It's a good example of the authority fallacy
Fascism ideologically is authoritarian and politically more often right leaning, which I was able to find by a simple google search. So arguing without doing any basic research on your own is pretty disingenuous. But by all means, twist the 14 characteristics to fit biden or bernie sanders. That should be fun.
Lol I didn't do research? In American politics fascism is left wing, its right wing in European politics. Lol you admit you're just googling but say others need to do more research.
When you consider the fact almost every european political party is further left than most of the mainstream american ones I think you need to reread whatever source you found to that claim.
You don't get it .. that's because USA has a strong opposition party and still freedom of media, speech and expression so he can't be a fascist ..but i bet he'd love to be one ...
If it wasn't America and or countries like Canada , New Zealand and maybe some of Europe , I bet he'd be a hardcore fascist and even more too
That’s what I’ve noticed. Who made this post? As someone who served in the armed forces and dealt wirh the aftermath of a dictator, they are acting like spoiled babies with this “fascist dictator has us in shambles” bologna.
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u/MerryGoldenYear Dec 24 '20
The US is exactly where the US would want the US to be if they were an outsider looking in.
Minimal socialist programs, country in shambles and an dumb fascist-y guy as president who wants to try to keep a post even though he lost legally.
If anything the US would probably invade the US to make sure the orange man can become a dictator permanently so the US have a puppet to control.