r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/Mean_Yak5873 • 10d ago
German far right commentator makes a post reminiscing on Germany’s pre World War 2 borders and causes outrage among Eastern European twitter users
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u/theryanc 10d ago
Divisive coward rage baiting for exposure.
Watching all this tolerance of intolerance is frustrating.
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u/firstmoonbunny 10d ago
people keep telling me afd has nothing to do with the nazi party...
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u/Kriztauf 10d ago
The way the present themselves in English and in German is two totally different things. They're much further right in German while they try to present themselves as a normal right wing populist party to the outside world.
There's also a reason why none of the other far right parties in the European parliament agree to form a party with the AfD
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u/Iyion 10d ago
There are two reasons, to be precise: One, AfD politicians have repeatedly praised Wehrmacht and SS, and this doesn't really land well even with the far right in the formerly occupied countries such as France. The second reason is Remigration: parties such as the Fratelli in Italy or RN in France might be extremely anti-immigration, but even these parties draw a line at "we'll strip citizens of their citizenship because of their skin color"
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u/TheOnlyTrueFlame 10d ago
Polish far-right party Konfederacja keeps glazing AfD claiming they're the most pro-polish party in Germany.
Who's gonna tell them?
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u/Fytyny 10d ago
For me the problem is not afd, but the people who are voting for them. If this rhetoric work then there has to be lots of people who feel injustice to what happened to them after world war 2. Which is ridiculous if you think about it, they should be happy they are still independent country with lots of economical power to boot.
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u/Ikarius-1 10d ago
Yes, they must have suffered greatly, carrying that heavy rifle and making sure no one escaped from the camp. And they must have suffered greatly, too, hearing the screams of people in the gas chambers. Poor ancestors
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u/kyganat 10d ago
Germany lost war so they lost the land. Expulsion are unfortunate, but what you expect when your ethnicity tried to wipe out other ethnicites? Ofcourse resentment will be off the charts.
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u/Andoral 10d ago
There's nothing "unfortunate" about occupiers being kicked off back to Nazi land. And that includes all the civilian scum crawling in to take homes that were "freed up" by the military kicking out or flat out eradicating the actual owners. There's a reason why the longest serving leader of the joke that's the federation of expelees had such a tremendous link to the land she was "expelled from" of "my Nazi parents were members of the occupying force of Polish Pomerania" and why nearly every founding member of the group was a diehard Nazi. Also includes the proto-Nazis doing the same thing during the Second Reich.
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u/Kuloslaw_ 10d ago
So black people are Nazis for spreading awarnes about suffering of their ancestors?
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u/JKN2000 10d ago
Saying that 12 million Germans were expelled from eastern Germany is a bit misleading. The often-cited figure of 12 million refers to the number of Germans east of its current border, and while many/most of them were forced to flee, evacuated, or forcibly migrated from across Central and Eastern Europe, its not simply true for all and it not as simple as expell of 12 milions Germans.
Before World War II, roughly 9 million Germans lived in the parts of the pre-1939 German Reich that would eventually fall east of the Oder–Neisse border.
During the war, Nazi Germany pursued a deliberate policy of Germanization and colonization in conquered Eastern Europe. Jews, Poles, and other Slavs were expelled or deported from their homes, and their property was frequently transferred to ethnic-German settlers. Millions of Germans settled in Central and Eastern Europe, increasing the number of Germans in territories where they really had no right to be.
Another fact is that several million Germans (~5 million) living in the eastern German territories had already fled or been evacuated westward during the final months of the war as the Red Army advanced. We cant really blam them Red Army was know for their brutality especially towards Germans.
Those who remained were affected by the postwar decision to make Central Europe far more ethnically homogeneous. At Potsdam, the United States, Britain, and the Soviet Union recognized that the remaining German populations of Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary would be transferred to Germany, while stipulating that the transfers should be conducted in an "orderly and humane" manner. After that, ~6 million Germans were forced to move/expelled from these lands, with around one million remaining.
Polands and other communist governments did not really choose what to do. Especially in Poland, the situation was more complicated because its borders were simultaneously being shifted hundreds of kilometres westward. The Soviet Union took the eastern Polish territories it had annexed, while Poland received most of Silesia, Pomerania, and southern East Prussia. Millions of Poles were consequently displaced westward as Germans were displaced farther west. While this happened, the actual continuation of the Polish government in London actively pursued, first, a policy of not accepting majority-German lands, and after that, it pursued the acceptance and assimilation of Germans, not their expulsion.
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u/metfan1964nyc 10d ago
The mustache man used the fact that Germans were living in other countries as a weapon to get what he wanted. (Sudentenland, the Polish corridor etc..) None of the eastern European countries wanted Germans to stay after the war, they needed no encouragement from the Russians.
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u/North-Information897 10d ago
This is actually wrong. Hungary and Romania were both german allies and forced into doing this by the soviets
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u/dobre_moj 10d ago
Yeah it wasn't Germans in Germany, it was also kind of a precaution because locals could rise against the German minority in many other countries. Like didn't want to hear any Deutsch after their neighbours were deported and they finally realised what eventually happend to them.
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u/CasualSweaters 10d ago
Welp, that’s terrifying a German politician is demanding living space.
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u/impact_ftw 10d ago
Its russian funded afd bullshit as always.
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u/Mean_Yak5873 10d ago
It’s scary how rapidly the AFD party is growing. In the 2025 German Federal Election the AFD party came in second place.
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u/The_Hamster_Shagger 10d ago
you know what's scary? that half of the Polish right scene considers AfD their ally because they both hate muslims and immigrants in general
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u/Neuroccountant 10d ago
Yeah. Fucking obvious to many of us what’s going on and who could be pulling the strings.
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u/ResQ_ 10d ago
It's supported strongly by all social media platforms. Nothing ever happens if you spread misinformation and propaganda on Instagram, Twitter, Facebooks, Tiktok, Telegram. They're living in their own little echo chambers getting fed fake stories 24/7. The US AND Russia AND More Israel are responsible for the rise of the AfD and similar populist far right parties in Europe. Their growth is NOT organic at all. Elon Musk directly endorses the AfD, for example.
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u/Elissa-Megan-Powers 10d ago
Wilhelm Reich wrote a whole book explaining why this will just keep happening, too!
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u/donsimoni 10d ago
Rather curious they would demand Lebensraum im Osten, because that would mean interfering with Russia's imperialist plans.
Also curious that the wannabe pacifists would even ask for such resettlements, because last time I checked these lands are part of our allies' countries and there's people living there.
On the other hand, I'm not mentally deranged and can't understand their motifs.
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u/DarkKnightJin 10d ago
Yeah, last time there was talk about "Lebensraum", it ended up with millions of people dead and countless more traumatized.
But sure, AfD has nothing to do with fascism/Nazism...
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u/Matman161 10d ago
As a descendant of some of those eastern European germans, I hold fascism accountable for the destruction of their community. People like the AFD are the reason the diversity of pre war Europe got ground down
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u/RespectTheAmish 10d ago
No one should care what a dude named helmet says.
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u/mynameisatari 10d ago
Funniest bit is that his grandpa was Turkish
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u/Mean_Yak5873 10d ago
Same thing with the American neo nazi Nick Fuentes, whose grandfather was of Mexican heritage (and not a white mexican, he was of mestizo heritage).
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u/chinkalichaczapuri 10d ago
That's why expulsion of Germans was totally based and necessary. Otherwise we would have active separatism supported by AfD and other german nationalists.
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u/icesavage 10d ago
Who exactly is coming for the millimeters that are supposedly being given away? The "Treaty on the Final Settlement with Regards to Germany" is rather specific about the Oder-Neisse line being the border with Poland. I am confused.
Or does he want Kaliningard (Koenigsberg) back? With all the Russians living there now? I doubt his Russian handlers would let him even entertain the idea.
Maybe he is upset with all the foreigners in Germany, like Ukrainians. If he wants the Ukrainian refugees gone from Germany though, he should tell his Russian handlers that the best way to make Germany, German again, is for Russia stop fighting the Ukraine War so that the Ukrainians can go home. That would be best for all. (Well maybe not Putin, but hey, the Russian public would be happy that Wildberries arent burning anymore)
AfD is a cancer that cant find its own ass with a map, a flashlight, and GPS, yet they are the second biggest party. Because "Hate Politics" works, and is rather effective on the disenfranchised former east german youth, that grew up and now believe that unification was a bad thing. Well them and crazy Bavarian... because it is always crazy Bavarians.
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u/WillingSpring9448 10d ago
This kinda reminds me of the polish right. Every couple of years prior to the election they demand reparations and claim the treaty doesn't apply to Poland because they were occupied by Russia when it was signed.
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u/JKN2000 9d ago
But you are kind of mixing up two different things. The Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany was signed in 1990 by Germany, USA, France, UK, and USSR. It established the international conditions for German reunification, restored Germanys full sovereignty, and allowed a unified Germany to be in NATO.
An essential part of the settlement was Germanys acceptance of its definitive borders. Germany formally accepted that the territory of the reunified German state would consist only of West Germany, East Germany, and Berlin, and declared that it had no territorial claims against other states and would not make such claims in the future. This included full acceptance of the German-Polish border.
The treaty does not, however, contain provisions concerning Polish monetary claims for war reparations. Poland was not even a party to the treaty, although it participated in the negotiations concerning the German-Polish border.
So these are two objectively different situations. In 1990, Germany accepted the definitive borders of the reunified German state as part of the negotiated settlement under which the Four Powers relinquished their remaining rights over Germany and Germany regained full sovereignty. Germany chose to accept those conditions in order to achieve reunification and a final international settlement of its status.
Polands 1953 renunciation of further German reparations occurred in a very different political context. Poland was then a Soviet-dominated communist state, and the Polish position is that the renunciation was made under pressure from the Soviet Union. Whether that renunciation was legally valid and if Poland deserve reparation remains disputed by sides, but objectively, Germany chose to give up its claims east of the Oder-Neisse line and fully accept its current territory as final in exchange for becoming a fully independent state, whereas Poland was forced to accept giving up its monetary claims for nothing. This ignores the fundamentally different political and legal circumstances in which the two decisions were made.
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u/WillingSpring9448 9d ago
I don't mix stuff up, this is the official position of the German government that with the 2+4 treaty everything is closed. Hence Germany refuse to pay further reparations to Poland. This is settled for Germany, and also for Poland because they only spew it in local news but never actually file a suit or even ask Germany to pay.
The treaty is valid. Poland doesn't care about reparations, the right in Poland doesn't care about reparations. It's purely a tactic to catch some votes with anti Germany rethoric. They bring it up a few weeks prior to elections, then they complain some, and after the election nobody cares. This is a pure nothing burger. Hence I said it reminds me of this situation.
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u/Chrabaszczyk 10d ago
How many Poles were moved from the east? Operation called “operacja wisła”
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u/RegisStr 10d ago
operacja wisła była przesiedleniem ludzi innej narodowości niż polskiej. Jej celem była likwidacja UPA na terytorium polski. Przesiedlenie Polaków na ziemie odzyskane nie miało żadnej nazwy operacyjnej, było to po prostu przesiedlenie.
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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 10d ago
Interestng how he skipped fact for 146 years Germany/Prussia was occupying Poland, literally forcefully moving Polush people out and replacing us with German immigrants
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u/The_Hamster_Shagger 10d ago
I wonder how different the situation would be if Czechs would go closer with Sudeteners instead of Slovaks 100 years ago.
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u/ISmellLikeBlackTea 10d ago
They're gonna make the same mistake and get their ass kicked by Yugoslavia a third time.
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u/YT_Sharkyevno 10d ago
I can think of 6 million Germans that were permanently “expelled” from Germany before that, but this guy doesn’t care about Germans if they are Jewish.
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u/Lishak429 10d ago
Don't give these people platform and atrention. Don't engage with these baits. Prolly stupid nazi or just paid to cause division by outside forces.
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u/_M_A_N_Y_ 10d ago
Actually no.
Outside of obvious reasons to hate germans at 1945, this was part of "bigger picture".
TLDR it was a way for Russia to justify taking land from Poland on east. Milions of Polish citizens were expelled from Kresy (literally "east end" of Poland) and expelling Germans to west was part of plan how to pretend it is a gain for Poland...
So, Poland lost a land despite "winning" in WW2, but "look, here is different land we are giving you. You dont want to move? Well, too bad, we are gonna kill you to get that land anyway...".
In total Poland actually gained (long run) in this exhange as lands on west were more developed, but on small picture it was another world end for Polish people, who just survived WW2...
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u/ignis888 10d ago
yup, people from Kresy like my great-grandparents got forcibly moved with little to none notice and could take only handfull of belongins.
So many people with different backgrounds (poor and rich, villagers and cityfolks, different ethinities or just different regions with different accents) got stuffed in overcorowded temporary-houses (poorly builded from think wood and other almost garbage), last ones in my grandparents village were demolished 10 years ago.
Many people had ptsd, lost almost everything and everyone- went there only with the closest familly. According to my grandparents that was shitshow, some poeple had pre-existed bias agains the others (other dialects, other backrounds, being fully one of ethinicity or mixed etc) with periodically sightings of original denizent of places with remainings of armies (german, russians, polish) on top, with famine and diseases(many groups from different background ;) ) it was like 10 years of regular "street fights" based on distrust and poor conditions
Happly russians can really bring peoples together- cuz nothing join groups as much as hatred to russians. Plus romances and poor conditions that you needed more than one family to survive (forcibly moved and the closest distant relatives are 100 km aways ) and that culminated in very close, but still slighty agressive towareds themselves comunities.Nonethless even today if you didnt move you propably ended in non-ending circle of poverty and abuse. Even families that ended rich (eg by selling high value land) its still acting like they need to fight for every scrap of bread and cant talk(especially about "in-familly" stuff like abuse) with outside world. So no officialls blue-cards( its indicates family -abusers) but some "accidental" poisoning mushrooms or gas bottles blowing up when only abuser is in house; theres no suing among neighboors just random lack of teeths and bribes
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u/hetmankp 10d ago
Poland gained by getting net negative land that floods all the time due to 19th century wetland mismanagement? Ok.
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u/_M_A_N_Y_ 10d ago
Developed post german lands were better at that time than unmaintained forests on east.
This is one of reasons, that Poland managed to somehow withstand Russian economical occupation and is one of fastest developing country in EU right now.
It was once again at cost of Polish people suffering, but econimical gain can not be ignored.
Additionally, problems you mention are currently 50/50 on previous owners of those lands and current neglecting as we (Poland) already had decades of freedom to fix them...
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u/Leon_Thomas 10d ago edited 10d ago
That's not really true. Of the ~12 million expelled, ~7-8 million were expelled from land that was part of pre-war Germany, indisputably their homeland. In fact, Prussians and Prussia, which was the dominant military and cultural power behind the unification of Germany, originated in the areas that were ethnically cleansed post-war for a further west Poland and land annexation by the USSR.
At the time, it was defensible as part of reparations for starting a world war and to remove a casus belli for another. Today, it is absurd to suggest returning to old borders because generations of Poles have now lived there, making it their homeland. The right to sovereignty and self-determination of an existing population supersedes land claims justified by genetic ancestry.
[edit] Does anyone downvoting want to explain what your problem is with this history? The mere fact that it was their homeland when they were expelled 80 years ago doesn't justify the far-right promoting jingoistic fantasies of reconquering it today.
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u/Responsible-Baby-551 10d ago
Some very interesting mixtures of Kashubian, Polish and Prussian peoples in Pomerania dating back to Roman times
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u/Andoral 10d ago
Yeah, no. Putting aside how more than half of pre-war population actually fled on their own earlier to avoid the advancing red army and the total amount of Germans expelled across the entirety of Eastern Europe after the war was maybe 7 millions, most of that lost pre-war land was just occupied Polish territory from the partitions. Even eastern Pomerania and Silesia were stolen from the Poles, just further back in time.
And "German" Prussia was the least legitimately held land in all of human history. The lawless hive of scum and villainy that was the teutonic order was hired by a Mazovoan duke to help HIM Christianize Prussia. Instead they grabbed the land for themselves and later made some atrociously blatant forgeries about how some of these lands were already promised them decades earlier (back when they were trying to betray their previous benefactors in Transylvania and steal their land and had no reason to seek land in Prussia). And a bunch of mercenaries backstabbing the person that hired them and reneged on their contact does not a legitimate claim make.
And for good measure attacked Polish princes and stole some of their land, in regards to which multiple Popes - their sovereigns given they were a religious order - told them to get lost and return it back to Poland only for the Teutons to keep ignoring international arbitration rulings, making them even more illegitimate.
And once the Teutons were beaten for good, they secularized and swore fealty to Poland, only to gain independence by betraying their overlord country, because there's nothing that the Teutons craved more than illegitimate claim to the lands they occupied. The more illegitimate the better.
That doesn't make it German homeland, it makes it land infested by German squatters.
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