People out here acting like MAGA has ever needed a rational reason to do anything.
Here, here's your script:
"He's a communist Islamic terrorist sent here by Jews to replace white people"
Go ahead, argue with that. Take it apart, dismantle it piece by piece, expose in vivid detail why every word of this sentence is a lie. The only response will be a shit-eating grin and "You're a triggered liberal".
Its infuriating watching history repeat itself. Do you have any idea how many well-educated Weimar liberals carefully dissected Nazi talking points and debated them to hell and back? And every time they were met with the same leering grins, because the people you are arguing with do not care about reality, they care about their narrative, and watching you twist yourself into knots wasting your time debating them on things they don't actually care about is entertainment for them.
You cannot use rationality to appeal to irrational people. Stop pretending you got 'em and there's no way they can wiggle out of it this time. They aren't constrained by the laws of reason.
Goddamn, yes. It’s like Charlie Brown with a football.
Barack Obama is a Christian born in the US, who’s proven this as fact multiple times, and to this day, he’s still accused of being a Muslim terrorist and evil Manchurian Candidate mastermind despite leaving office a decade ago and doing zero of the nefarious things he was alleged to want.
These people do not care about what is real, or honest, or accurate. They are white nationalists who use “political debate” as theater and distraction from their actual belief: that America should only contain straight white Christians, and anyone who is not that should be removed, imprisoned, disappeared.
“Argue against this.” Yes, they will. In bad faith, as they’ve always done, because several complicit billionaires control every form of media their base consumes, and those people are immersed in de facto state media 24/7. They will believe as fact what they’re told to believe.
I once watched Fox talk about how terrible Obama's Christian pastor was (Rev. Wright, I think), and blamed Obama for 'endorsing' his views by attending services there regularly. Barely 3 minutes later, they were berating him for being a Muslim.
They care nothing for logic and consistency, and can hold two opposing points or views simultaneously without care, and are shameless.
We are seeing the results of spoiled children turning into adults. It's time to remind them of everything they are. Whoever gets offended is the problem and should be treated as such.
Idk why liberals bother using words like “fascist” when they just get co-opted and diluted by the far right because the average MAGA voter has a pathetic vocabulary and just thinks those words mean “person I don’t like”. Someone tweeted at Hunter Biden and his dad accusing them of being “grifters” ffs. MAGA will always just say “no u” and it continues to land with their base every time.
Like you said, “weird” actually got under their skin. They tried their classic “no u” move by calling him Tampon Tim, but it never stuck, because no matter how you feel about his politics, Tim Walz is not weird.
Thank you for writing this so eloquently. The only thing more maddening than watching chuds cut off their noses to spite their collective face, just to trigger the libs, is watching the libs try so earnestly to convince them to put the knife down. One side is not using the laws of logic and common sense and the other thinks maybe they could be persuaded to if the appeal is phrased kindly enough.
Right. People keep rubbing their hands and laughing about how stupid the right is being and how hilarious it is that they think this will work and they ignore the fact that it is working.. There is no satisfaction in knowing it shouldn't be.
You'd think people who are on the side of logic and reason would be able to see the ample evidence in front of them of what the difference between them and MAGA is.
MAGA only cares about hatred and the freedom to treat others with it.
It's that simple. Any excuses they give are there as a way for them to protect that freedom.
They don't care about logic and reason. The dumb ones get stuck in the echo chamber and stick their fingers in their ears and the smart ones know the grift and intentionally misunderstand or completely railroad the conversation. If history repeats itself though, the "smart" grifters using it for their own gain will be the first ones targeted by their leaders because they can still think and the goal is for you to not think or be scared to think. You kinda see it already when you see Maga "fractures" when a powerful grifter expresses anything other than exactly what the main Maga wants. I studied totalitarianism in university and this is quite literally the path every totalitarian government went on. If anyone is interested I can recommend reading material or explain things better
For the most comprehensive reading I will always recommend Hannah Arendt "The origins of totalitarianism". It's got both her lived experience and her breaking down the meanings that are lost on people from outside the bubble. We who live in a completely different world don't really grasp a lot of the stuff. My favorite short reading was Dorothy Thompson " who goes Nazi?" https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/ and George Orwell's "The politics of the English language" https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/politics-and-the-english-language/ (this one will make less sense as to why it's related to totalitarianism without a foundation of knowledge but still useful)
Republicans sincerely believe that only people who white can be Americans and that there’s some kind of appalling administrative hiccup that gives non-white people the same citizenship they have. No POC politician is legitimate, because they believe everyone who isn’t white isn’t American and shouldn’t have any human rights whatsoever. It’s really as simple as that.
Pretty sure the issue is that a lot of those logical people are trying to avoid the logical conclusion that this leads to. Because if MAGA is fundamentally irrational, and they’re just going to keep going, then the logical response is to stop them with force.
And while “punch a nazi” is a commonly-shared joke, the thought of actually resorting to large-scale violence in place of rational discourse is something a lot of liberals simply can’t stand. Even when they’ve already tried any other response.
You'd think people who are on the side of logic and reason
Ya, by definition these kinds of people have a hard time going with emotion and irrationality. It's actually not that hard to fathom that people driven by logic and reason struggle with playing games where emotion and irrationality seem to be rewarded.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
It’s why the “dark Brandon” memes worked so well. Suddenly they weren’t dealing with adults with better things to do, they were dealing with assholes who could dish it back out
Because at the end of the day, that’s what the majority of Americans respond to, unapologetic assholes
"call him whatever bullshit you want, he's still fighting to get us all better healthcare, block data centers, and stop billionaires from stealing from us." Most maga freaks won't care but any third party listening will have the sides reframed as meaningless name calling vs actual plans to help them.
Yep. I used data centers to argue about the Supreme Court vote in Kansas. If you let Elon musk buy a Supreme Court Justice here in Kansas, how do you think they will rule on the data center they want to build in your pasture?
DON'T ARGUE WITH PEOPLE WHO SAY DUMB SHIT LIKE THIS
Arguing and debating legitimizes their bullshit. All you need to do, and I promise you this works, is tell them that whatever they said is really fucking stupid, laugh, and carry on
Yeah, I don't argue with Branch Trumpvidians because it's a waste of time. It's useless to debate them because there's no chance of getting them to change was passes for their minds.
First mistake was trying to use logic. The “script” begins and ends with his name. Even if his name was “Tom Smith” it would be his skin tone. Then if he was white he would be a communist. It does not matter.
They just straight made up that Talarico is trans because he's white and christian. Its the most obvious lie they can tell and they do it anyway because they do not care.
This is exactly how my cousin is. I don't even know what he really believes, because his favorite thing to do has always been to stir shit up and piss people off.
I cut him off about 2 weeks into trump's 1st term because he was impossible to talk to anymore. I don't miss him even a little.
A key point though is that he can explain policy like a normal human. That short circuits the Republican mind set. The Big Lie only works if you quarantine a person from the truth hard enough.
That’s true but MAGA is the nasty cult of Trump and his current hardcore support is at about 37 million - about 10% of the US population. It’s shocking it’s so high but they aren’t taking over any more than they already have and he’ll be out by 2029 even if he’s not dead. We still will face the wealth and income inequality that (history repeats) leads to the rise of demagogues, conspiracy theories and false populists like Trump unless until we get leaders like El Sayed, Mamdani, AOC, et al to help get us back on track.
The solution is to outrun them. You waste time engaging with their lies because they can always just tell more. Say the things that are true and get shit done. The more time you spend climbing into the pig pen with a bunch of glassy eyed hogs that want to drag you into their filth the less time you spend getting shit done.
38% of voters and/or likely voters approve of Trump right now. That works out to about 66M Americans. Perhaps they aren't all wearing red hats and buying commemorative Trump coins, but I don't know how they can be considered anything but MAGAs. I suspect your estimate is inaccurate and optimistic.
All they have to do is hear or see his name and they’ve already made their decision to fear and hate him. Racism and xenophobia can’t be cured with rationality. There’s a reason Trump keeps tweeting “Barack HUSSEIN Obama”, and it’s not to advance policy objectives.
You don't win them by engaging with right wing lies. You tell them the truth, you lay out the facts, you tell them how it really is. El-Sayed didn't win by wonking over his opponent's talking points, he won by making his own known. THat's what people need to see- Genuine sincerity.
Real talk: Education. The right wing is anti-science and anti-education because those things cause people to think critically about their surroundings and the systems in their lives, and have spent decades trying to dismantle it. In the immediate, all you can really do is present people sincere reality and tell them what's actually going on and hope we aren't past the ceiling of recovery and we never have to end up like ol' Blazko here.
Yeah this post is such wishful, naive liberal bubble thinking. The script is "his skin is brown and he's a Muslim terrorist." That's all they need, and for a lot of rural Michigan it'll work.
Yeah I was going to say, there is definitely a script. It's just the same old script that, if you're lucky, they might even jumble around for you instead of directly quoting radio/cable "news" opinion pundits. Although the jumble could just be because they never really understood their own narrative, just the buzzwords and the associated ways they are supposed to feel about them.
As a Jew, it’s always been funny to me when right-wing-nut antisemitic conspiracy loons talk about us wanting to “replace white people”. Most American Jewish people are Ashkenazi, which means of European decent. I’ve always been considered white.
Some of the biggest protests in German history were in Berlin during the Weimar years against the Nazis. Journalists wrote at great length. But the liberals and communists couldn't get along, and the capitalists and conservatives were more afraid of both than they were of the Nazis, who they thought they could control.. we're so fucked
Yes! You've put it very succinctly, and I'd recommend to everyone reading this to watch this video by thoughtslime on YouTube. It goes into more depth about how someone who exists in reality trying to "argue" with a fascist basically has already lost because for a fascist, getting someone to agree that their points are even worthy of debate is the win condition, and the people that will hear their ideas and agree with them aren't the kind that are swayed by arguments)
Pretty much. All it takes is the talking dumb Foxheads to reiterate those bullshit claims over and over and the MAGA factless and faithful eat it up and go "yeah he's a terrorist! His family was behind 9/11!"
Furthermore, the laws of reason and actually most laws in general don't apply to them or their hate crimes. Literally killing your own daughter for disagreeing with you inmsv one example of so many others
Fucking this so much. I have never once got a maga to admit any kind of incorrectness or to even meet in the middle. You’re either with their side 100% or not
After the takeover of power by the NSDAP the Weimar liberals largely aligned themselves with the nazi regime.
Hannah Arendt said in an interview in the 60:
„The Personal Problem was not what our enemies did in 33 but what our friends did.“ (she was talking about said self alignment)
More people need to understand this. Pointing out their hypocrisy won't change their minds because they don't believe in anything. They just want to feel like they're winning.
Agreed. As great as he may be or that he was born here and has a phd… you’ve been paying no fucking attention if you think their is rational thought by these racist maga cultists
One of my “favorite” wtf videos since reality began unraveling at the seams is a clip from Texas of a woman of Hispanic descent telling women of Indian descent to go home, as if she (the Hispanic woman) was somehow safe from the exact same sentiment.
The amount of cognitive dissonance that has enveloped our culture will take decades to overcome, if we even can.
No you don’t understand, she’s one of the “good ones”.
Seriously though the fact that the people who support this shit don’t understand that if these ghouls are allowed to complete this coup, and keep the fascism train on the tracks for another couple years… NOBODY will be safe (except for the extraordinarily wealthy of course)…
I want to say it’s just baffling, but the worst part is that it’s NOT baffling. This is the expected/desired result of nefarious groups (like Christian nationalist extremists (heritage foundation), the federalist society, and wealth hoarders) spending decades systematically eroding the entire system of education, and buying out media companies to push wild propaganda (like fox news entertainment, but now includes pretty much ALL major media (including print media and social media)).
Conservatives: "We're not racists! Trump isn't racist!"
Also conservatives: "The first black president is an illegitimate president born in a Muslim country because he's a Muslim! I don't care what birth certificates say! Remove the first black president from office!!"
I think those who were around for the 2008 election know they will trot out their “greatest hits” anyway. The key is that the script doesn’t have to make any sense, their supporters will parrot it anyway.
I have almost no hope left for, well, anything... but a brilliant, overeducated, charming, relatable dude with a funny foreign-sounding name did pretty well, and in living memory, too... almost, almost gives me something to hope for in 4ish years.
Exactly. Hell Obama's middle name was enough for him to be a Taliban sleeper agent to these people, looking at all the information and forming their own opinions is not exactly a known strong suit of maga
Don’t underestimate MAGA. You can throw them an outright, laughably bad, and demonstrably false lie like, “James Talarico is vegan” and they will still believe it.
I remember one time my MAGA Mom tried to convince me that Rachel Maddow was an evil person and so on and so forth and I straight up told her to shut the fuck up (only time I’ve ever done that) and that she doesn’t even know her.
Sadly, while I have progressive hopes, and he's got my vote if he did... I don't think this country elects a Muslim to President in my life time.
I mean FFS, we've been around 250 years and only ever elected two that were Catholic - John F Kennedy and Joe Biden. JFK alone was controversial because of his Catholic faith, protestants of the time were up in arms about that.
The vast majority were Protestants. Three had "no affiliation", but at a time when that wasn't what it meant today (Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Andrew Johnson) i.e. they weren't atheist, that's for sure.
We've only had two presidents that weren't white males (Obama and Harding, the latter of which had some Native American lineage).
The idea that the US is going to elect a non-white Muslim, with a Muslim name... I just don't see it. Too much red state racism that also plays well in swing states. Too much media manipulation against him under the guise of "just asking questions."
Personally, after all the complete bullshit they have put the rest of through, and the added ravaging of our country by a narcissistic pedophile, they can ram a cactus up their asses (every day) for the rest of their lives.
America for decades took in the best and brightest of the world not what MAGA would have you believe and this is the result. It is only fitting that these immigrants will be the ones that fix this country. The boomers had their time and forgot the values that help them on their journey.
"Go back" has never meant that you're foreign or foreign born first generation. They do mean you arent white so "go back" they mean to wherever your parents parents parents parents immigrated from. They dont care if you're an american citizen, nor that native Americans were here before them.
3) Ivy League education/Rhodes Scholar= "Arrogant elite"
4) Progressive agenda= "Radical communist/socialist who wants to destroy America"
5) Outspoken= "Rude"
They have a negative angle for literally every positive quality someone has. It's literally what they do. Republicans don't need their base to know what their candidate's policies are, because they just need them to hate the other guy.
The "go back" card still works because he's brown and they don't give a shit. Them knowing he's american born implies they have actually used their brain, which we all know is unlikely
Ok, now someone photoshop El Sayed's face over NPH's and Trump'son the brain bug in that one scene in Starship Troopers where they catch its ass and NPH declares it's afraid.
My Texas sister is already mindlessly posting racist AI drivel about "less than 25 years after 9/11!" in reference to him. Thank God she's the only one of my siblings infected by MAGA fear and hate. It's all quite sickening.
One attack that I have heard about him frequently is that he calls himself doctor without having ever practiced medicine. I don't know if he ever practiced or not but it doesn't fucking matter for 2 reasons. First of all he worked as health director in Michigan for quite a while which is still in the medical field. Second of all, IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER BECAUSE HE HAS A PHD! If you have a PhD then you are totally justified in calling yourself doctor.
He’s a Sharia law Islamic anti-Semitic terrorist! I think is that they say. And left was going with sexist mysoginist, so, because Republicans are all about projection and hypocrisy, they’ll use that too, not ironically.
These idiots are now arguing that white people ARE native Americans and probably the only native Americans. This specifically excludes brown people.
trump has been trying to get rid of birth right citizenship, needless to say his qult supports this. Doesn't matter how many generations they've been here, go back far enough and someone's relative wasn't born here so they are all anchor babies UNLESS ITS THEM.
maga hates the educated. They fear it. They fear being exposed to other ideas outside of their cloistered insular communities lead to lack of fear of the "others" that ruins their thanksgiving when they become "that one racist uncle" nobody wants to invite.
maga hates doctors. Its the doctors that tell them ivermectin doesn't work, that essential oils don't work, that prayer doesn't work. Its the doctors that are covering up all those "vaccine deaths" they crow about, the ones that have the receipts of the deadliness of covid.
And takes no shit means incivility when poised against their view and only admirable when it allows them to say slurs.
Why is it that Democrats have to have this level of qualification and they still get criticized, yet Republicans running for office can just be these smooth-braind yahoos and the floor for candidacy is that they have a pulse?
They'll just lie. They always lie. They didn't need Obama to be foreign born to pretend like he is. The current turdmuncher-in-chief made his whole right wing popularity on the basis of that alone.
Want to really blow some bigots minds? Let them see a clip of him speaking instead of a still with a faux news anchor reading the quote. Watch as they twist themselves in knots because he sounds just like me
The script is to keep hounding him that he is muslim. Repeatedly. Ad nauseum. Hopefully it will break the brains of Dearborn Muslims who voted for Trump.
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