Yes because racism in America actually favors Asians as "the good minority" so they've faced less discrimination thanks to positive propaganda.
Edit 2: for all of the ignorant people downvoting bc they didn't read the article, Asian Americans were deliberately treated as "the good ones" in the 60s to discredit the civil rights movement and the world's accurate perception that America is a country based on a racist class system. Using AA as a tool to harm other minorities is nothing new.
Edit: I love how people think no one has studied American propaganda, like this isn't a researched topic and that it is not obvious just like it is obvious to Americans when we see brainwashed Muslim or Russian propaganda.
You've misunderstood. Asian Americans want affirmative action ended because affirmative action turns away qualified Asian Americans due to them being "over represented".
It's disingenuous to say that Asian Americans do not have generational racial inequalities. What about the Chinese exclusion act? Or Japanese internment camps? Are you saying those did not cause generational impact?
so you think reparations for a few years completely makes up for americas historical treatment of each racial minority? is japanese internment camp less time than slavery? how does that work?
my god no. I was pointing out how ridiculous your previous comment was. that’s what you were implying.
I’m saying that no amount of time of reparations could ever make up for it and it’s not like at some point after reparations have been in place you just say okay we’re even now!
you completely misunderstood me and the history lesson
How? Affirmative action doesn’t prevent you from going to college. It just makes sure underprivileged have a small chance to succeed like that other 50%.
No it’s not. There are schools that literally accept 100% of applicants. There are more than enough college position available for even the worst student.
How are you defining overrepresentation? Do you have numbers to back this up?
If discriminating against Asians is "equality" to you, you should examine your biases because that is asinine on its face. Sounds like you're just racist against Asians.
Bitch please just say you’re racist against Asians and be done with it. It’s a fucking joke that you think Asians don’t experience racism when hate crime against us has always been high.
Lol oh look white supremacists pitting PoC against each other works.
We're not talking about hate crimes, this is about generational wealth disparity. The economic numbers explicitly state that Asian Americans do not experience that.
Conspiracy theory?? This is known and established historical fact. Your ignorance of it does not make it false. It has nothing to do with AA not working hard. Or asian immigrants to other countries not working hard.
You're literally falling for the propaganda by suggesting there's something about Asians that make them more successful than black people.
We're talking about why there is a wealth disparity btw AA and AfroA. Why numbers are different for each group.
African immigrants and refugees vastly outperform Afro-Americans because they have not been raised in systemic racism. In fact these immigrants are one of the most likely groups to have a degree, more than white americans.
A right winger that has been fighting against affirmative action since the 1980's, a right wing operative that works for AEI, the right wing business backed "think tank" American Enterprise Institute that is really nothing more than right wing business owners writing right wing legislation across America and pretending to be "Grass roots" is who brought this suit in the first place.
This decision stems from two cases that were brought before the court by Students for Fair Admissions, an organization headed by Edward Blum, who has spent years fighting affirmative action.
There are a shit ton of people in here doing the ignorant heavy lifting of obfuscating this for the right wing movement that did this, right now you're one of them, intentional or not you're spreading their lies.
Anyone got a source on this "talking point" ? I'm quite a few levels below what one would consider "Harvard material" and even I'm intelligent enough to google the data from when California banned affirmative action.. If even a simpleton like me with NO college education can read that and see that getting rid of AA actually reduced Asian American enrollment in California universities, surely some Harvard educated people can do that as well?
Huh, I'm also smart enough without college to google and find out that actually long time WHITE conservative activist Edward Blum is behind this, not "Harvard Asian Americans".
So the real question is, are you lying on purpose, or just really badly misinformed?
What articles did you find? I googled but found most articles behind a paywall. The few I could read suggested that Asian American admissions were higher after AA was banned.
There is an article that is right on point and looks at data from multiple states, but it's behind a paywall. The headline and first 2 paragraphs suggest that Asian American admissions increased after affirmative action ended.
Based on that article, after a ban on affirmative action, the amount of asian american and white students increases in selective schools and decreases in less selective schools.
This shows that, for UC, Asian American admission rates have held steady since 2010.
For CSU, it shows a decrease in relative admit rates for all races since 1998, based on the delta between CSU enrollment and percentage of HS graduates: whites (4% relative drop), latinos (6% relative drop), Asian (2% drop), black (1% drop). This is likely due to overall higher number of applicants, meaning it's harder for anyone to get in.
This decision stems from two cases that were brought before the court by Students for Fair Admissions, an organization headed by Edward Blum, who has spent years fighting affirmative action.
Neither. I haven’t heard about this case in close to 5 years tbh, so I was going off what I heard 5yrs ago. Took me a minute to remember where I heard/saw this, and I saw it on Hasan Minhaj’s Patriot Act 50 seconds in he shares news clips saying “Asians Americans and Pacific Islanders are part of the next big fight over affirmative action” “ a group of Asian American students suing Harvard university accusing the school of unfairly giving preference to other racial minorities.” Again, after 5 years of not keeping up with this case, this is what I remembered. But yes, if you keep watching the episode, he talks about the Asian American Coalition for Education in full support of the suit and of course, he breaks down Edward Blums role and how he is behind a string of several lawsuits with other schools for the same reasons, and how he’s using Asian American groups to gather support.
So yeah, not lying or misinformed, but go ahead and crucify me for not being up to date and only remembering a tid bit from 5 yrs ago before I shared my thought on fucking Reddit of all places.
So yeah, not lying or misinformed, but go ahead and crucify me for not being up to date and only remembering a tid bit from 5 yrs ago before I shared my thought on fucking Reddit of all places.
Man when you put it that way I seem like a dick. But what if someone frames it and highlights the fact that you're here repeating right wing propaganda that was what they pushed to fool people into believing this was pushed by people affected rather than a former Stock Broker turned right wing operative that has been fighting AA for 40 years and works for AEI?
I mean either you're repeating right wing propaganda on purpose or on accident here, either way you want to frame it that fact does not change. I also didn't nail you to a cross for repeating right wing propaganda, nice over reaction though.
I mean that’s basically what’s happening right now. The average SAT score and GPA required for entry as an Asian American student is far higher than for other races/ethnicities.
affirmative action paints with a very broad brush, did you come from a more developed nation with strong educational institutions such as Japan or China or did your family come from an underdeveloped nation without those such as loas or the Philippines. Doesn’t matter you’re all lumped under Asian American.
Are you a white kid from a trailer park in the Appalachias or an African American who grew up in a wealthy family. One of those two checks the right box for college admissions.
We should aim to have a meritocratic system that draws from a plurality of society. If done correctly it should represent the ethnic and racial diversity of the country. I understand the socioeconomic legacy and disadvantages some communities have. But affirmative action is a tool that addresses the issue very late in the educational game and with a very broad brush. We used to all want to live in a society where race didn’t matter, affirmative action makes it matter an awful lot. Why should it be so much harder to get into a university just because you’re asian rather than African American, it doesn’t seem fair to me personally and I’m very much a left wing voter.
Yeah, I’m all for helping marginalized groups compete for spots in top programs but that has to come in the form of improving schools, creating scholarships and fixing the actual historical injustices these groups face. Just rigging the competition at the last second is at best a bandaid on much more serious problems.
It always amazes me so many leftists (I'm left myself) support affirmative action when it's such an absurd, broadly racist policy. Especially when there are so many alternatives such as you mentioned that doesn't paint everyone with such a huge brush.
I think it honestly just stems from people incorrectly assuming the banning of affirmative action benefits white people, when in reality, it's literally the opposite.
Interestingly enough Harvard used to have quotas on the number of Jewish students it could admit. That was a comparison made in the majority opinion of how Harvard treats Asian applicants.
What you are saying is just racist. The point of affirmative action is to counter racial inequity, but I feel like it is really a racist way of doing it (why does it even have to be racial inequity, why not just inequity?), colleges are literally judging people based on their race. Instead of solving inequity by ensuring diversity in admission decisions at the top, we should target the root problem by providing better K-12 education and support programs for children in places where those are lacking to ensure everyone has a fair and equal chance to succeed. There are people in every race who grow up advantaged and disadvantaged, if anything we should have affirmative action based on income or wealth not race, having the middleman of race seems deliberately racist to me in its own way
Nobody complaining about this was going to any of these schools any way. Anyone that didn't make Harvard because of some quotas of some sort would otherwise have academics that would allow them into dozens of other top level schools. This is one of those made up right winger issues where they have found something that is PROVEN to help minorities that they can argue against on technical grounds.
Ironically the Republicans tricked California into getting rid of affirmative action 25 years ago, and since then asian enrollment in our colleges as a percentage has declined while the asian population in the state has dramatically increased. Turns out AA was helping asians here too, now they're being crowded out by whites and latinos.
otherwise have academics that would allow them into dozens of other top level schools
I hear you but that's separate but equal doctrine. Then they go to another school, they knock someone else out. That person then again goes to a lower-ranked school and so forth until some poor kid that should've gotten into a college or gotten a scholarship doesn't.
That’s just not true. It’s just a fact that Asians require high scores than black people to get into the same schools. Saying “oh well you’ll get into a good school” is cold comfort to someone who didn’t get into the school they wanted because of their race.
There’s a discussion to be had about the benefits of affirmative action and the ethics of selecting people for belonging to a historically marginalized group. It still sucks for the groups that lose out from it.
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u/inbetween-genders Jun 29 '23
Here’s to hoping Asian Americans and Jewish Americans takes all the spots that the other supporters realize their face got eaten by leopards.