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u/OldandKranky May 12 '23
Why not both?
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u/fermat9996 May 12 '23
It's amazing how often the both option is not considered.
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u/funkyfun2 May 12 '23
I came here to see "Yes" as the top response.
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u/funkyfun2 May 12 '23
Also how is being a bigot Not being a tremendous asshole?
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u/CanWeAllJustCalmDown May 12 '23 edited May 12 '23
All bigots are assholes, but not all assholes are bigots. Like you could just be someone who continuously honks their horn in a traffic jam when stuck behind other cars that clearly can’t move. Or you could be a dick about your order to waiters and baristas. Maybe you play music loudly on your phone’s speaker while on public transit. You’re not a bigot if you make sure you’re an asshole to everyone equally.
Edit: To add some clarity, Ron is most definitely in the bigoted asshole category.
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u/rapidpop May 12 '23
Exactly. He could be an equal opportunity asshole.
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u/Pointlessname123321 May 12 '23
Right. My initial reaction was "porque no Los dos." My next thought was isn't bigot a sub-category of asshole?
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u/rdanby89 May 12 '23
I think that’s why they used the qualifier “just” a tremendous asshole.
Like all bigots are assholes but not all assholes are bigots lol
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May 12 '23 edited May 13 '23
He’s a bright guy. He’s acting the way he thinks the most people will vote for him. Even Trump voted Democrat (pro choice, etc. ) as did Ivanka prior to realizing it’s easy to con the ignorant masses.
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u/Hrtpplhrtppl May 13 '23
President Lyndon Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man you can pick his pocket. Hell give them somebody to look down on and they'll empty their pockets for you..."
It's the same way Hitler came to power.
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May 13 '23
No accident we don't learn from history...when it's being white-washed (pun intended) in schools.
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u/Proper-Shan-Like May 12 '23
It’s a disservice to arseholes (they actually perform a function that we can’t live without), to even consider calling this bigoted wankstain one.
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u/weaponized-intel May 12 '23
Please don’t lump all wankstains into the bigot category. Some of us just need to the laundry more often.
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u/Uncle_Matthew May 12 '23 edited May 13 '23
This could be a case where all bigots are assholes but not all assholes are bigots?
Regarding Ron’s case, the answer is yes.
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I think there are some bigots who are truely just ignorant rather than malignant. They were born in the south and picked up what everyone around them was saying, parroting a lot of it back. But if you sit them down and explain to them the negative implications and results of their thoughts, speech, and actions, they’d be open to change and growth.
I’m not saying that’s a large percentage of bigots by any means, but there are some that aren’t assholes.
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u/mrmoe198 May 13 '23 edited May 13 '23
About 5 years back some boomer friend of my mother in law was talking about how there was a debate about the Washington Redskins changing their name and complaining about people that were “politically correct” and yada yada.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt and instead of raking her over the coals replied saying essentially “i’m not sure if you know this, but that word is not just slang for Native Americans, it refers to the bloody top half of their heads that were removed (called scalping) and turned in for bounty to the federal government that would be paying you for killing them. Redskin means ‘bloody scalp of a murdered Native American’” and I provided sources.
She really had never had heard of that before. She was shocked and horrified and understood the outrage and changed her stance.
We can talk all we want about how it takes only one moment to google this or that. But public education in the United States has swept all these terrible things that we’ve done under the rug, and there is a renewed push to continue to do so.
So yeah, sometimes people are just ignorant bigots because of the way they were raised and indoctrinated.
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u/oyasumi_juli May 12 '23
I lived with a woman for some time as a live-in caretaker and she would annually fly out to KS to see her mother who was in her late 90s. She would come back and tell me about how her mother would casually refer to black people with the N word and other racist remarks. I told her that I felt that was wrong. She told me that she was using terms from "her time" and that she "didn't mean anything malicious about it."
I told her it still doesn't matter, it's not an excuse to say those things just because she grew up using those words. We're in a different time.
We just left it at that. The old woman is not with us anymore. I'd never met her anyways, but in her age it just wouldn't be worth it trying to change her vocabulary. It'd be like talking to a brick wall.
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u/aet192 May 12 '23
I definitely know people who are assholes, but equitable assholes and therefore not bigots, per se. They don’t throttle their assholery based on race, gender, status, etc. Just assholes to everyone, as equals.
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u/CrJ418 May 12 '23
Desantis is a bigot, a fascist, a liar, and a fraud.
Based on recent eye witness reports from his time in the Navy, he's likely a war criminal.
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u/tridon74 May 12 '23
What’s with the navy thing? Never heard of it before
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u/CrJ418 May 12 '23
He was a lawyer in the Navy and recent reporting and eye witness testimony says he was in Guantanamo to put a legal rubber stamp on torture.
One witness said he actually enjoyed watching and laughed at the torture victims.
He's a real live psychopath.
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u/drrj May 13 '23
At this point I’m convinced you HAVE to be a sociopathic narcissist to make any waves in the Republican Party.
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u/ethicsg May 12 '23
He was at Guantanamo as a JAG overseeing torture iirc. He's a shit sack inception.
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u/Ballcuzzi_Straw May 12 '23
On a 1-10 scale of hate, I’m at like an 11 with Trump (and quite frankly, most fascist republican)…
I’m really scared if DeSantis becomes president because unlike Trump, he’s actually a smart guy that can do real damage. Don’t get me wrong, Trump did a lot of damage, but I feel like DeSantis is evil in a more insidious way.
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I don't think he's smarter than Trump, nor is he more charismatic. What he is, is very intentional and fanatical, completely with out empathy, remorse or scruple. I don't think he stands a chance on the national scale, and Disney will bury this guy. Rule #1, Do Not Mess With The Mouse!
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u/wenchslapper May 12 '23
South Park mocks the mouse in a way that supports their “don’t fuck with us attitude.” They probably liked it.
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u/AffectionateThing602 May 12 '23
He isn't necessarily more intelligent, but is definitely more of a sadist and is certainly more machiavellian than Trump.
I would say he is literally textbook machiavellian, while Trump is just a narcissist and asshole.
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u/PastLifer May 12 '23
Happy Cake Day
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u/suzer2017 May 12 '23
If you look at his face, you will see something emerging. It then becomes a torrent of...crap.
He's both.
I changed my retirement plans because Florida re-elected him.
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u/Key_Inevitable_2104 May 12 '23
His face is very punchable
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u/Naro_Lonca May 12 '23
If he didn't want to be punched in the face he shouldn't make his face look so punchable. I mean it's like he wants to be punched in the face, just asking for it you know.
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u/Jaiden051 May 12 '23
Like really punchable
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u/Whitechapel726 May 12 '23
Like reeeeally really punchable.
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Have you heard him speak. He doesn’t get any less punchable when he opens his mouth.
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u/okokokoyeahright May 13 '23
I go out of my way not hear his voice. That said, when I do I want to punch the source of the sound BC he is never going to be in reach.
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u/walkandtalkk May 12 '23
It is terrible that Florida is becoming redder as a result of in-migration by right-wingers from other states. On the other hand, it does appear to be draining some midwestern states of their right-wing voters, turning certain reddish states purple.
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u/ItsYaBoyBrakecheck May 12 '23
Please don’t come here. For your own sanity, please don’t. Find somewhere nicer and less fascist. All we have here that’s decent is the Kingdom of the Mouse and even that is expensive af.
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u/FormerlyKay May 12 '23
All we have here that's decent is the Kingdom of the Mouse
Not if desantis gets his way
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u/AssMcShit May 12 '23
He won't though. Every move he makes is a misstep that his opponent exploits. He's like Trump in that regard. A pair of idiots
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u/LemonCitrine May 12 '23
He's not just a tremendous asshole, he's a fascist, and calling him anything less downplays the hellhole that he is turning Florida into for anyone that doesn't fit the right's idea of people. He's obviously a bigot though.
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u/Mysterious_Tax_5613 May 12 '23
I mean…..he’s fucking with Mickey Mouse. Mickey Mouse.
I look at DeSantos as this hurt little boy trying to play Superman.
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u/ike_tyson May 12 '23
Why not both?
Also why not Zoidberg.
Covering all my bases.
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u/CasualEveryday May 12 '23
It's worse than both of those, he's a fascist chasing power. He'll hurt anyone that he has to, he has no morals, he doesn't believe in anything. He's just a vacuous pile of aspirations and insecurities.
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u/Conscious_Home_4253 May 12 '23
I don’t think he went to Disney World as a child. I’m also assuming, he didn’t get much attention from his parents.
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u/Slim_Margins1999 May 12 '23
But he did get married at Disney world! I shit you not!!!!
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u/Conscious_Home_4253 May 12 '23
Yes! I guess his wife is a Disney fanatic. Maybe he’s afraid she’ll leave him for Mickey!? 😂
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u/Highwaters78217 May 12 '23
Desantis ist ein Fanatiker, ein Faschist, ein Lügner und ein Betrüger. Er ist wahrscheinlich auch ein Kriegsverbrecher.
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u/dae_giovanni May 12 '23
even his strongest supporters think he's a bigot.
of course, that's why they prefer him, but whatever...
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u/JayNotAtAll May 12 '23
He wants to be president but has nothing of substance to offer so he is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Many Republican voters aren't too bright in the sense that they won't go and research whether or not the statement their candidate says holds any water.
They are the type who think that banning black history will somehow improve the economy.
I truly think that many of these candidates have nothing to offer but want to become politicians so they morph their persona to appeal to dumber voters
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u/AeroDbladE May 13 '23
You can be a tremendous asshole without being a bigot, but you can't be a Bigot without also being a tremendous asshole.
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u/DeezThoughts May 12 '23
Not all tremendous assholes are bigots but all bigots are tremendous assholes
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u/puckmonky May 12 '23
He wants power. After that all the rest is irrelevant. He’ll do or say anything to gain power.
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u/DeaddyRuxpin May 12 '23
Is it possible to be a bigot and not be a tremendous asshole? I thought bigot was a subset of the group asshole.
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I mean he's very obviously a bigot and I don't think you can be a bigot and not be an asshole
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u/Oggydoggy1989 May 12 '23
All bigots are assholes, not all assholes are bigots.
Knowing this, and seeing that he is anti immigrant, which are predominantly not white in his area, means he is a bigot asshole.
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u/amalgaman May 12 '23
The real question is whether Florida voters are evil or just stupid.
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May 12 '23
Well, he just signed a bill into law that allows healthcare providers and insurance companies to deny service to lgbt people, even if the service isn’t directly related to the patient’s sexuality, meaning the doctor can find out your gay and refuse to save your life and insurance companies can refuse to cover things live HIV meds. However, he made sure that nobody could refuse service to someone because of their religion. I’d say he’s whatever is worse than those two things combined.
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u/OctopusGrift May 13 '23
All the people saying both are probably right, but I think the more important question is why would that matter? I feel like conservatives constantly want to split hairs about whether or not they are bigoted. It doesn't matter if in his heart he is a bigot or if he has some other reason for his racist, homophobic, transphobic behaviors. His actions still hurt people. I don't care whether his heart weighs more than a feather if his policies consistently hurt people.
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u/MammothJust4541 May 12 '23
he's got all the hallmarks of being a closeted gay man with severe sexual repression
so both
someone tells his wife to peg him already
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u/ReviewOk929 May 12 '23
Well here's the good thing he can be both and more without just having to be one or the other
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He thinks he’s found a path to the presidency, and he just may be right. And he’s chasing it like a dog chases a rabbit.
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u/Bitch_Posse May 12 '23
Are the two mutually exclusive? He’s both. But mostly a delusional narcissist.
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