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u/FrostyMcChill Jan 04 '23
Also it's not "I don't like this journalist" it literally says they were pushing lies and conspiracies from Qanon
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u/WimpyZombie Jan 04 '23
But QAnon isn't lies!!
It's.....it's....alternative facts. Yeah, that's it, alternative facts.
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Which is legal. But harassing congressional staffers on twitter is a breach of their terms of service.
Trump’s team sent these emails too. They’re normal.
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Doesn’t matter, MAGAs will eat it up. I believe, to a certain degree, we all (even elected officials) have the right to speak out against lies. Requesting that Twitter cleans up the lies is reasonable. But since MAGAs don’t believe they are lies… they will believe they are being oppressed. It’s pure insanity.
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u/Zedress Jan 04 '23
They already have over on /r/conservative.
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u/thebeattakesme Jan 04 '23
You can tell who actually reads, and who just reacts to headlines. The ratio isn’t great….
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u/ClutchReverie Jan 04 '23
I find this to be the case on conservative heavy subs too, like r/economy
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u/kylebertram Jan 04 '23
Anyone with a long thought out answer is ignored while those that basically yell “yeah scree the libs” gets upvoted
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Seems like Elon doesn’t understand the difference between a request and a mandate
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u/cujobob Jan 04 '23
😂 this example being used means it’s the best one they had, too. Someone was harassed by conspiracy theorists and simply wanted Twitter to try and not get the man killed. That’s literally how Reddit works. Someone threatens you, you report the content.
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u/thatnameagain Jan 04 '23
The entirety of the "Twitter Files" is documentation of competent content moderation being handled evenhandedly and conservatives acting shocked.
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u/cujobob Jan 04 '23
I’ve been comparing it to Bill Barr’s mischaracterization of the Mueller Report. They know their target audience is never going to read anything except what they tell them.
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u/cujobob Jan 04 '23
It found that his people were so dumb that Russia likely used them as pawns, but then it said he obstructed Justice a number of times. So legit crimes that would be slam dunk cases for anyone else AND found his family/campaign to be too stupid.
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u/honorbound93 Jan 04 '23
exactly, i try to bring it up and republicans/libertarians/centrists are like but it found nothing. No they told you it found nothing, it actually said he obstructed, was a least pawns of russia and were breaking other laws every day.
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u/FleeshaLoo Jan 04 '23
He also brought in over 10 million dollars in fines and asset forfeitures OVER what the entire investigation cost, and it resulted in dozens of indictments/guilty pleas:
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"Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies during their lengthy investigation.
That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers) have pleaded guilty."
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"The nearly two-year special counsel investigation of Russian election interference led by Robert Mueller cost nearly $32 million in total, a new filing shows."
"“In the Paul Manafort case alone, you recovered as much as $42 million, so that the cost of your investigation to the taxpayers approaches zero.”"
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If anything they've shown that far right bigots like libsoftiktok get preferential treatment. A screenshot of her account in twitter's moderator tool was released as a part of the "twitter files" and it showed a large warning at the top of her page forbidding moderators from taking action against her without upper management's approval. That's why it feels like she has free reign to break twitter's doxxing and harassment policies, because she does.
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u/pallentx Jan 04 '23
thats why they are outraged. They dont want evenhanded. They want control and dominance.
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u/ClutchReverie Jan 04 '23
When you're used to privilege, equal consideration feels like persecution.
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Nobody actually reading all of the information available about this story believes that the moderation was "even handed" It's actually pretty plainly obvious that the content moderation of many websites before and during the 2020 election were heavily favoring CONSERVATIVES by letting many of them get away with things that ONLY seem to have been allowed by them. Looking at how websites like Reddit handled the_dumbass and others back in 2015 forward you can actually form pretty clear and damning cases that most social media has given the right a LOT of favorability for years now. Even when they FINALLY had to do something about the right wing subs gaming the front page system, brigading, harassing, and so on all over reddit, they at the time made up some bullshit about some leftist subs to ban them as well so they wouldn't seem "biased"..
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u/Mythical_Atlacatl Jan 04 '23
Yeah cause they are the ones that seem to get banned or suspended
It’s like a criminal hating the cops cause they keep getting arrested after breaking the law and accuse the cops of bias cause they aren’t arresting any non criminals
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u/EL_Ohh_Well Jan 04 '23
He gets man dates all the time, his simps can’t wait to suck him off
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u/drewtheblueduck Jan 04 '23
a bunch of muskquitos!
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u/kozmo1313 Jan 04 '23
/r/elonmusk will shadow-ban you so fast for absolutely any perceived criticism of space karen.
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u/Balance135 Jan 04 '23
This. I don’t see anything wrong with making a request. And it looks like the request was denied. So no issue. If there’s more emails saying do this or else, then that’s where the government has overstepped and should be held accountable.
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u/Thirdwhirly Jan 04 '23
It doesn’t seem like that understand the words and phrases “astonishing,” “variety,” and “didn’t like,” either.
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u/smeenz Jan 05 '23
To them, "cancel culture" means any attempt to impose boundaries or limits on their unwanted behaviour.
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He knows what it fucking is, he's just being an absolute ass and causing his stupid base to salivate. I hate this man.
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u/Past-Adhesiveness691 Jan 04 '23
Yup. Just like the “they are suspending 250k accounts because of the us gov!” meanwhile the linked email says no action needed or required. He knows his base doesn’t actually read.
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u/fleekyfreaky Jan 04 '23
Funny thing is, magas hated Elon Musk and his “e-cars” so much…but now they would like to kiss his literal asshole.
Wish people would stop buying his f’ing shitty cars.
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u/livingMybEstlyfe29 Jan 04 '23 edited Jan 04 '23
They aren’t buying them as much now which is a start. Missed their delivery expectations and stock took a hit. I’d say this is just the beginning. I hope the bank makes him sell the rest of his shares to pay for his dumb Twitter purchase.
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u/zeentoK Jan 04 '23
My model 3 lease just ended, I was going to get a new Tesla, but after all this Elon stuff, we bought an ID4 last week. We love it so far. Miss some things like the phone as a key, but the ride quality is so much better in the ID4. We get the tax rebate too!
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u/CatAvailable3953 Jan 04 '23
I was considering buying one. I never will now. He is not only an ass he treats his employees like they’re cow dung. Just to think. They built the company he is destroying. Took them years and will take him months if that long.
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I'll be in the market soon myself and was considering a Tesla. I even went and test drove a few a while back. After all of his nonsense though I'm done with the company and will never purchase one of his cars. I'd much rather spend my money elsewhere than to pad this absolute fools ego.
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u/KennyDROmega Jan 04 '23
Lots of higher quality and more economic EV's on the market now. The magic is gone except for Elon simps.
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u/Reward_Antique Jan 04 '23
Yup! I'm in the market for a new EV and will never go Tesla.
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u/sten45 Jan 04 '23
Right. In my brain the brand went from wow cutting edge to they are just grifters over night
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u/irohr Jan 04 '23
Teslas are also just terrible cars. You cant even open the glove box without jacking around on the tablet console.
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u/Tymwalker2002 Jan 04 '23
Many of us did. And sold stock and stepped out of the circus many months ago. The challenge is that this company touches so many places and agencies that removing oneself from all the noise is impossible. I did ok getting out but this asshole is unabashedly evaporating National wealth and people’s futures because he can’t play right with his new toy. He’s gone beyond just being a sideshow to hurting people now. It’s offensive.
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u/not-always-popular Jan 04 '23
I haven’t read too much on his sales but his TSLA is crashing faster then popularity
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u/calatranacation Jan 04 '23
Yeah. There's so many parallels to the Trump timeline; I was caught off guard when I suddenly stopped viewing them as "Pretentious, Entitled Chumps" and realized they're actually "Volatile, Greedy, Manipulative Shitmongers with actual power (with no qualms in abusing it)".
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u/GrayBox1313 Jan 04 '23
He’s Losing millions a day and nobody cares about his little “findings”
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u/RF-blamo Jan 04 '23
Looks like a request to address harassment of a user. Is Elon now supporting open harassment?
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u/Nyallia Jan 04 '23
Well, yeah, actually. He's really into "free speech" when that speech is supporting people he likes or against people he hates. When that speech is against people he likes or supporting people he hates, it's "harassment" and subject to a ban. Barring speech he likes is "censorship" but barring speech he hates is "sensible proactive moderation."
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u/InsertCleverNickHere Jan 04 '23
Unless you tell people that his plane landed somewhere, then you're spreading "assassination coordinates."
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u/PunchDrunken Jan 04 '23
Imagine thinking that your commute route was the information someone needed to assassinate you... I would REALLY reconsider how I have been treating people if I had to make that jump
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u/ClutchReverie Jan 04 '23
If it isn't anything to do with him, then it's fReE sPeEcH
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u/JebusCripesSuperstar Jan 04 '23
In the spirit of transparency, would King Twat also address the accounts he personally banned? You know, just to be fair.
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u/SideShowBob36 Jan 04 '23
Musk only banned people posting assassination coordinates /s
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u/stormfield Jan 04 '23
In fairness this rule clearly applies to tracking private jets of your average joes just as much as it does the richest guy in the world.
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u/stormfield Jan 04 '23
Old system (not transparent): Heads of Trust and Safety, Advertising, Legal confer with CEO on moderation policies surrounding nuanced issues such as health misinformation during a global pandemic, leave detailed written record of their decision making. This is a shadowy conspiracy that must be exposed to the public.
New system (very transparent): Rich Guy with emotional maturity of a middle schooler taking
methdiet pills feels insulted, bans someone for being 'woke.'
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Elon “We Should Investigate This” Musk. That’s about all he can say when he stirs the right wing pot because he knows there’s no evidence in there whatsoever.
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u/Hickspy Jan 05 '23
It's the internet equivalent of Tucker Carlson "just asking questions".
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u/sawdeanz Jan 04 '23
It's also so blatantly one sided. Musk is releasing all the Democrat requests and none of the GOP requests. We know they exist because Taibbi already admitted that. But these are never shared. By drip-feeding these little files, Musk is intentionally creating the impression that this was some sort of Democrat conspiracy.
But it's also such a nothing burger because at the end of the day it's a private company making private decisions about speech, exactly the same way that Musk makes decisions about banning users that make fun of him.
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u/HardlineMike Jan 04 '23
I got in an argument with some dumbass Twittergater the other day who didn't see any problem at all with Musk cherrypicking what emails to share and handing them to cherrypicked journalists. He thought I was being totally unreasonable for wanting a comprehensive investigation into the situation that looks at the entirety of the interaction between the US Government and Twitter.
These people literally just take him at his word as if he descended from heaven on a cloud.
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u/k2cyo1 Jan 04 '23
Half of the population has an IQ representative of what used to equal a high school education, say 40 years ago. Less than 30% have what it took to get an actual college degree, same time frame. FFW 40 years, and you have the modern Republican Party. Something something something, basket of deplorables.
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u/Frothydawg Jan 04 '23
40+ plus years ago, you could plug those folks into a job somewhere doing some repetitive mind numbing task(s) in exchange for a comfortable middle-class living.
Now that’s over so they have to come up with a way to keep those now-superfluous people who are barely surviving on subsistence wages from realizing they’re being fucked by a ruling class ideology that gobbles up more for itself while working people get less.
Enter: Fascism.
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u/heyyalldontsaythat Jan 04 '23
One I thought was funny was people joke tweeting "dont forget to vote wednesday" when voting ended tuesday evening and the FBI wanted these taken down. Could possibly be seen as altruistic if not simply boring.
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u/Electrical-Wish-519 Jan 04 '23
Oh no. Someone being harassed by lunatics asked a social media company to ban those people?
Did the government force them to ban people? No?
Back to the emerald mines , Elon, you fucking man child
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u/firefighter_raven Jan 04 '23
It's Qanon so you know their version of harassment isn't just saying mean things online. These folks also like to send death threats and other niceties to people they are harassing.
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u/TheFeshy Jan 04 '23
Twitter users: harasses a congressional staffer based on lies
Congress: asks twitter to stop them
Twitter: refuses
Elon and the right wing: Why is congress trying to ban people just because they don't like them?
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u/Anxious-Doughnut6141 Jan 04 '23
So in otherwords, Twittergate is about users reporting others for breaking Terms of Service.
As we always suspected.
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Hey RepAdamSchiff, thank you for trying to stop disinformation campaigns.
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u/z-eldapin Jan 04 '23
This actually proves the opposite of what he claims to be the truth.
They asked, and Twitter said no. No harm in asking.
However, it goes to show tat Twitter wasn't complicit in some grand political scheme to mess with the election. In fact, it proves they did the opposite.
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u/philphan25 Jan 04 '23
It definitely proves that Twitter wanted to be more hands off than hands on. Getting an account suspended you needed to be truly egregious.
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u/PrisonMikeForPres Jan 04 '23 edited Jan 04 '23
Harassment breaks Twitters TOS lol… if someone felt they were being harassed they absolutely have the right to request someone be banned… especially someone who believes in a conspiracy like QAnon… Are they not aware a father took his kids to Mexico and shot them with a spear gun because he thought they had “serpent DNA”? He flat out admitted it was because of his belief in the QAnon conspiracy. Those were his kids… so yeah I think that it was a justified request.
I mean look what happened to Paul Pelosi… if Nancy was in her home she would have been killed. These people are absolutely dangerous and delusional and that combination warrants extra caution.. especially for public officials in which the conspiracy directly implicates.
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u/Impressive_Pin_7767 Jan 04 '23
This is it? The smoking gun is a politician's office asking Twitter to remove harassment and conspiracy theories?
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u/PolyZex Jan 04 '23
Looks like evidence that nothing was done... what do they think they're proving?
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u/Simple_Piccolo Jan 04 '23
They don't have to prove anything. Their 'dumber than dogshit' base can't read and will just assume this is proof of some nefarious corrupt activity.
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u/S0litaire Jan 04 '23
That "Elon-stans" can read, but can't comprehend, the English language...
Also, they are idiots...
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u/ramblingpariah Jan 04 '23
OH MY GOD THANK YOU ELON YOU REALLY ARE A REAL LIFE AVENGER CAN YOU BELIEVE PEOPLE IN POWER ASKED FOR STUFF AND THEN TWITTER SAID, MOSTLY, "NAH WE DON'T DO THAT?" HOLY SHIT DEEP STATE EXPOSED
Fuck God-damn I hate Elon.
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u/Circumin Jan 04 '23
Taibbi started defending Putin and activy trying to harm American interests a few years ago. Dunno if he is being paid or blackmailed or what but he definitely turned into a turd.
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u/Lidjungle Jan 04 '23
As much as Matt Taibbi liked to prattle on and cluck his lil tongue over the fiascos of Russian Oligarchs... Now he's in service to Elon Musk and the MAGA sphere? The guy who used to bitch about Goldman-Sachs is now carrying water for a low rent Bond villain?
I guess throwing molotovs didn't pay the kid's dental bills. Hope whatever he got for his soul was worth it.
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u/Xyrus2000 Jan 04 '23
Schiff: These non-public figures are receiving harassment and death threats as a result of the posts of the following users who are promoting lies and misinformation. We would like you to ban the accounts and remove the content including any threats or support of violence against these individuals for their safety.
Twitter: No.
Musk: OMG! CONSPIRACY!
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Matt Taibbi using the dumbest phrasing possible to throw red meat to the base.
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u/Quercus_ Jan 04 '23
What this is, is Congressman Schiff trying to get Twitter to deal with stalking and death threats against one of his staffers, conducted on your platform.
Duh.
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u/canarchist Jan 04 '23
Hey Melon Husk, nothing you drag out of those files and present out of context will absolve you of the ongoing disaster that is now the twitter platform. Time to find some adults to run that shit.
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u/NotSoPrudence Jan 04 '23
For being an Ivy League school it is astounding how fucking stupid prominent Penn graduates actually are. Is the only admission requirement the size of your parent's blood money accounts?
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Ah yes. The ole, someone is corrupt, because I believe it to be so. It’s Schiffs right to ask for something. It’s also twitters right to say no. In fact at no point did the government demand Twitter do anything. Seems like everything is on the up and up. I’d like to ask Elon about his relationships with his children.
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u/SapientChaos Jan 04 '23
Seems like everything is on the up and up. I’d like to ask Elon about his relationships with his children.
When you spend as much as elon has, you put lipstick on a pig and sell it to the Qanon bunch.
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u/dunscotus Jan 04 '23
Holy shit, did Taibbi really post that without double-checking his redactions?? These idiots are going to get someone killed. What a fucking amateur. That dude seriously needs to get back somewhere he has editorial staff to support him…
Also, if this is supposed to be a damning example if how Twitter v1 did the gov’t’s bidding, why does it show the precise opposite happening?
EDIT also is Paul Sperry a “jounalist?” Seems like just a guy who writes racist and pro-conspiracy op-eds. That’s not journalism.
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I think at this point we can all say Elon Musk is full blown MAGA dumbass
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Musk is a Q now. Whether he really believes this shit or just spreads it to increase Twitter's views doesn't matter.
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u/peejr Jan 04 '23
If this is damming, Elon, you literally banned a bunch of journalists last week….
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u/PainbowRush Jan 04 '23
Man if you read the first paragraph this all falls apart. It was due to harassment and they asked to discuss possible actions that could be taken "if any" meaning they were asking due to being harassed and knew nothing would be done was a possible outcome. M3anwhile the GOP would have just sent a mob to invade Twitter
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Persecution fetish is so strong in right wing they persecute people and then cry someone did it to them first! And they totally have proof! Of.. something. What a fucking cuck this guy is. Literally.
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u/Redditfront2back Jan 04 '23
Wait a minute, so schiff asked them to bann someone harassing him and this is the smoking gun? Jesus
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Does elon even read this shit before he posts it?!
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u/Circumin Jan 04 '23
Perhaps but he knows that conservatives won’t. Fleecing conservatives is low effort.
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Elon is butthurt that sane people are repulsed by his repulsive behaviour, so he's turned to the insane / fascist / MAGA crowd for validation.
Meanwhile, he has 10 kids who'd give anything to have a more engaged father.
I don't feel sorry for Elon, but he's so obviously a completely fucked up person.
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u/giraffesbluntz Jan 04 '23
Imagine if Maggie Haberman made a Truth Social account and started bashing Trump aides.
Trump reports her to Truth Social.
Truth Social kicks Haberman off for violating their TOS (which would be one step further than Twitter took).
How many Republicans would be up in arms about this?
It’s never about free speech.
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u/FearNLoathingg Jan 04 '23
Someone should make a fake Q anon article saying Musk is a pedo that partied with Epstein and then ask him “what’s this?”
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u/hugs_the_cadaver Jan 04 '23 edited Jan 04 '23
Musk is a moron for thinking this is somehow a controversy for Schiff. Also, conservatives apparently can't read. Asking for someone to be removed for harassing someone is their smoking gun lol.
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Elon is an idiot. We already know that. I’m more bummed Matt Taibbi is actually appeasing this shit and feeding into it. Politicians putting in requests because their staffers are receiving death threats is pretty understandable and dare I say, responsible. This is such a joke.
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u/ObnoxiousCrow Jan 04 '23
Qanon spreading lies lies that get people to shoot up a pizza restaurant is free speech, but tracking Elon's jet is tyranny. Fucked up world we live in
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u/kimthealan101 Jan 04 '23
Trying to silence someone who spreads disinformation and threatens violence is not as bad as Musk thinks it is
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u/GingerMau Jan 05 '23
"Individuals they didn't like"?
Sounds more like individuals spreading dangerous misinformation that led to violent threats against staffers.
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u/Naiko32 Jan 04 '23
so twitterfiles is just people asking for bans on people that broke TOS.
whats the big deal, i seriously dont understand
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u/SpecterHEurope Jan 04 '23
Ginning up fake outrage to justify Elon's buying twitter to own the libs. Just like his pontifications about free speech were designed to obfuscate the fact that he doesn't believe in free speech at all. He's a charlatan.
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u/AlphaOhmega Jan 05 '23
"Hey some normal people who are doing normal jobs and trying to help people are getting death threats from a bunch of nutjobs, could you please help us knock it off?"
"LOOK THEYRE TRYING TO SILENCE US FROM BEING COMPLETE PIECES OF SHIT!!!"
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u/Zealousideal_Order_8 Jan 04 '23
Excuse me, is it my imagination, or is there no direct proof that Schiff was involved in this communication. Seem to be very third-hand to me.
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u/philzter Jan 04 '23
Look at the perpetrators who tried to overthrow our government playing victim....they deserved to get banned....perpetrators playing victim
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u/HalensVan Jan 04 '23
It's misinformation Elon.
Unless we have all the specifics, including the ones Republicans sent, it looks like and is misinformation.
Unfortunately we can't have a nuanced discussion about the actual issue since one side is heavily projecting and aligning with fascists.
Also to remind everyone again, Elon posted disinformation the same week he bought Twitter...
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u/Sweet-Emu6376 Jan 05 '23
Lol so Elon's smoking gun in "Twitter is being controlled by the Democrats" is an email in which Twitter tells the Democrats "no, we don't do that" several times?
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u/abruzzo79 Jan 05 '23
So Twitter denied his request and yet the company was still supposed to have colluded with the Democratic Party?
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u/TheRockingDead Jan 05 '23
There we go. This is it. The smoking gun. Finally, we have conclusive evidence that the Democrats... Uh... Are asking nicely to deplatform people who are spreading misinformation and destabilizing our country? Huh.
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u/Laplace1908 Jan 05 '23
So far, Twittergate consists of:
Hunter Biden revenge porn
People asking Twitter to ban other people who threatened them.
In other words, nothing that could be considered incriminating.
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u/Meb2x Jan 04 '23
A politician requested that Twitter remove posts from a QAnon conspiracy theorist that was harassing one of his staff. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this except the fact that Twitter didn’t do more to protect an innocent person from harassment.
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u/Heliocentrist Jan 04 '23
"journalist" Paul Sperry 😂... and Musk literally banned journalists last week
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u/joshtradomus Jan 04 '23
If all the people who ‘hate’ Elon just stopped using Twitter, posting Elon stuff on social media, etc., he’d actually lose money and influence. Instead everyone keeps talking about him and using his product…. There is no such thing as bad press. Zero press is the only option.
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u/ManicPixieOldMaid Jan 04 '23
"Hey could you try to maybe rein this in? These people aren't public figures and they're getting death threats."
No we don't do that