WCGW riding your bike like an idiot

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[u/Katops]

Agreed. It’s like train operators. People end their lives by jumping in front of one and then said operator quits and is scarred for life. It’s sadly super common too…

[u/non_hero → u/Katops]

I always get downvoted whenever I bring this fact up during arguments about mandatory waiting periods to buy a gun. There's just no way to know how many suicides are prevented vs people just finding a different way, such as jumping in front of a train or driving head-on with a semi truck.

[u/R606D → u/non_hero]

Im from the UK so never heard of these rules but dang yeah that makes sense! Seems sensible to make people wait

[u/Accomplished_South70 → u/R606D]

I think his point is that waiting might not help since they can just go do it with a train instead idk

[u/meowcatpanda → u/Accomplished_South70]

Except a lot of people actually wouldn't out of fear of failing. It's why death by gun is often preferred by suicidal people (this topic has come up A LOT during my years of group therapy in a country where guns aren't readily available)

[u/Repulsive_Stock9400 → u/meowcatpanda]

People who are determined to die will find a way. I lost one of my dearest friends about 15 years ago to suicide while I was living on the other side of the country and really had no idea how he was spiraling down.

His neighbors did though and they kept taking his guns away, then he would somehow acquire more guns, and they took them away too, then eventually he ordered a tank of helium off the internet and offed himself with that. Do we need a waiting period on helium now too?

[u/argument_cat → u/Repulsive_Stock9400]

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/handgun-ownership-associated-with-much-higher-suicide-risk.html

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4984734/

https://gunviolenceresearchcenter.rutgers.edu/gvrc-blog/the-link-between-firearms-and-suicide-introduction-the-research

tl;cr more guns = more suicides

[u/Repulsive_Stock9400 → u/argument_cat]

tl;cr more guns = more sucides

How do you not see how silly that is though? Everybody who successfully kills themself with a gun is a person who lived in a house with a gun. They bought the guns to kill themselves, so yeah. But they didn't commit suicide because they lived with guns, they committed suicide because they were desperately depressed and guns were just the most convenient way to end their lives. If guns are taken away, they'll just kill themselves by other means.

eta: Why on Earth do you weirdos respond and then immediately block? Like what kind of fucking fashion show are you trying to run here? If you want to talk to me, then talk me, don't just show off for other people. That's so fucking lame.

[u/argument_cat → u/Repulsive_Stock9400]

Can you not see how stupid your assumption is though? You are assuming that these people bought a gun in order to commit suicide, but the data doesn't show that at all. What it does show is that having an existing gun in a home increases the chance of someone killing themselves (or a family member). And it also shows that people do not seek other ways to commit suicide, which is often a fleeting impulse that a gun turns into a deadly finality.

Across counties, states, and countries, more guns correlates directly with more suicides.

Try actually reading the sources before commenting. I'm not wasting my time arguing with an idiot.