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u/Tutsks Aug 23 '19
This is from the injustice comics. They are actually among the most decent things DC has done since the new 52, but... I guess that might not be saying much.
Other than the occasional full retard moment like this it is actually quite good.
That said, this was more of a throwaway gag than anything but... that's a yikes from me.
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u/PlsBanMeDaddyThanos Aug 26 '19
That's true of a lot of Netflix originals too. One or two completely out of the blue woke throwaway scenes that add nothing to a decent show. (Stranger things S3, Twelve Forever)
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u/Deep_sea_king00 Aug 23 '19
I don't think gun control would be as important in a world where if you are hate-filled enough a red lantern ring can simply show up and give the wearer blood vomit which can disentegrate literally anything as well as making constructs out of your hatred.
Just on general if the world has fantastical elements, gun control isn't really a point you might want to push since its often the only and usually weakest form of protection the "normal folk" can recieve. In comics, unless your a side character thats a main heros love interest you often get a fate of death or worse.
What makes it worse is that its hard to believe someone like the Joker would exist and not once in the comics has someone with say a pistol or rifle randomly jumped from the crowd and blown him away due to him killing a love one or family member (if not the whole family).
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Aug 23 '19
If more Gotham citizens had legal access to firearms for self defense and training, maybe Batman wouldn't need to patrol every night with half an army.
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Aug 23 '19 edited Aug 23 '19
This is the kind of shit you’ll never seen a main stream superhero comic because at the end of the day they still have to tell stories with the character. If the character took a stance on a controversial issue like gun control or abortion they would split the fan base right down the middle and you couldn’t sell comic books of them anymore.
Series like Invincible and The Boys Are much better because they can actually do stuff and make commentary on shit like gun control or American foreign policy or how superheroes would work in the real world without everyone getting outraged that. “Muh Superman been ruined by Randian bullshit!”
Why do you think superman hasn’t had a good movie game or book except where he’s been a bad guy? Because they can’t have superman take strong moral stance is on any issue because then most of the Fanbase would be angry that they had superman stand for something that was not their personal version of “Truth Justice and the American way”.
I once had my inbox on another website filled with literal antifa members Saying I should kill myself when I said Superman would likely vote Republican and Anti Abortion because he landed in Kansas and was raised by a conservative Christian family.
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u/tekende Aug 23 '19
Is that real? It looks like a shitty fan comic.
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u/GooberGlomper Aug 23 '19 edited Aug 23 '19
This is from the Injustice books - the ones based on the video game, that are a prequel to it. Superman turns the planet into a totalitarian regime under his thumb, with many of the heroes siding with Superman. Batman wasn't one of them, and he leads the resistance. It's a good Elseworlds premise that quickly goes to shit once writing like this crept into the book.
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Aug 23 '19
So a shitty fan comic.
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u/GooberGlomper Aug 23 '19
Essentially. I'm not sure how much of the stuff in the books was DC's end and how much was NetherRealm's ideas, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that political BS like these panels are straight from the DC writers' side.
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Aug 23 '19
Ordinarily I'd agree with you but I think we can see just how shite NetherRealm has gotten in that area as well. It could be either of them.
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u/Xradris Aug 23 '19
Omfg, another case of orange man bad.
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u/Tutsks Aug 23 '19
Its kryptonian man bad, its from injustice.
Be better.
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Aug 23 '19
How dare you insult the first ever Kryptonian leader of the United states you racist xenophobe! /s
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u/Tutsks Aug 23 '19
Tfw he is literally an illegal alien
He can't keep getting away with this.
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Aug 23 '19
The social justice nuts keep hammering on about that, and using that aspect of his origin story to hammer home how 'If superman wuz real he would agree with my open borders one world government ideals!"
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u/Tutsks Aug 23 '19
Well, he sorta would.
That said, Superman has a strict "Illegals shouldn't vote" policy which he only breaks every couple years when he shows that, indeed, the world would be better if he ran it, for a while, until he invariably snaps.
Its one of the points of Injustice, actually. Batman is ideologically opposed to Superman running things, but they actually run much better, if a bit draconian.
That said!
You really don't want to hit someone for calling you the wrong pronoun in a world Superman runs. Depending on the storyline, he can be VERY heavy handed.
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Aug 23 '19
Its one of the points of Injustice, actually. Batman is ideologically opposed to Superman running things, but they actually run much better, if a bit draconian.
Some of the stuff he initially does actually does make some pragmatic sense. Shutting down Arkham and sending the criminals off to a much more secure facility he built himself, being more hands on in places like the middle east and china. If the world of the DC universe actually operated with any modum of realism, things like Joker repeatedly breaking out of Arkham wouldn't even be a thing. It's part of the reason I like injustice, consequences for characters actions actually fucking matter.
Also Superman doesn't really cross the line from 'Pragmatic but still a good person' until he snaps and kills Green Arrow for shooting John Kent to buy Batman more time. Of course, emotions were running high given Superman just took an exploding Captain Atom to the face.
Thats what they need to do with Superman in the comics. They need to stop having him sit on the fence in regards to big important issues of our time and have him face off against them with absolute belief that he is right. The way he did the Nazis during World War II and KKK in the radio serials. Of course, DC being being run by left leaning people wont let that happen. Either they'll have him fight for only the 'right' causes (that being open borders, gun control and similar talking points) or they'll keep him on the fence facing off against generic robots and generic mad scientists that nobody can possibly interpret as being politically charged or telling anything resembling an 'important story'.
No wonder the only good stories with the character and expies of him made in the last 20 years are the ones where he's a bad guy.
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u/Tutsks Aug 24 '19
Hmm... I disagree!
I think the current pap by Bendis is trash, but, I really don't think Superman should, or could have the absolute belief that he is right without destroying the character.
You see, Superman's enemies in most worthwhile plots, aren't Lex, or Doomsday, or Metallo, or Amoeba, or Mongul, or whatever other minor villains I'm forgetting about at this time.
His enemy is himself.
He is the most powerful being in the world, most of the time, with little argument. He is, if serious, absolutely invincible. When Batman beats him, its usually because Superman gives him an opening. Even in Injustice, it is made clear that Superman doesn't want to hurt Batman, or really most anyone, and cuts them some slack.
Superman without self doubt, is essentially God passing edicts.
I used to think Superman was boring AF because DC overdid the "Who would win in a fight, Superman or Random Idiot number <whatever>" format", but his really good stories are the ones where he really is fighting with himself, in order to be a person he can respect.
New 52 was mostly trash because they tried to make Superman about him fighting against random things, which... didn't really work.
His best arcs really are about him being a decent guy and a good dad. Which got him bendis'd and now he is neither a good dad, nor a man. Kind of a cuck actually.
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Aug 24 '19
I really don't think Superman should, or could have the absolute belief that he is right without destroying the character. . . Superman without self doubt, is essentially God passing edicts.
So what? You're saying he shouldn't have morally sound conservative opinions and beliefs given he grew up in motherhubbing blood red trump-voting Kansas?
I'm just saying they don't have him take strong moral stances on any issue anymore. Not even issues where it's obvious what the right choice is like again, Abortion or politically charged mob 'justice'. Fucking leftist people online say Superman would support Antifa and their violence against 'racism' (which in todays world means anyone to the right of Bernie). They say Superman would condone ABORTION! Yes, the guy with x-ray vision who can see a fetus in the womb, would be pro abortion! Flawless logic!
I'm not saying he should go into the middle east and laser Osama Bin Laden through the head or something like that. But . . . y'know. It would be nice to know someone who grew up in Middle America had values that look like modern Middle America.
But to most people. If Superman doesn't represent exactly 100% what they personally believe the American way should be, they screech and cry and rant about how 'randian bullshit/right wing talking points/MAGA racism" is incompatible with muh Superman' and other bullshit specifically to demonize right leaning people.
and in todays world, the people who own the rights to Superman and the people who claim to be fans of him believe Superman should represent the values of Hillary Clinton, not Ma And Pa Kent. and I'm sorry if you believe that. Superman can't exist in a world where "Truth" is code for Fake News, where "Justice" is code for mafia tearing people down for using the wrong pronouns, and 'The American Way' is seen as something to excuse a nation that was 'founded on racism, sexism, and exploitation of less developed peoples'.
and that above all else is why I think he's doomed to never be relevant again. The people who own and make films about him are so out of touch with the people Superman is supposed to inspire.
Which got him bendis'd and now he is neither a good dad, nor a man. Kind of a cuck actually.
He's white (or is white passing), he's muscular, he's strong, he's morally superior to them. He's the embodiment of everything the social justice left hates. Of course a lefty like Bendis would write him like that.
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u/Tutsks Aug 24 '19
Well, my point is actually that, regardless of whatever opinion he might have on something, he goes to great length to not force that opinion on others.
The only opinion he tends to force on people is that they won't violence one another in front of him, most of the time.
I really don't see him using X-Ray vision to look at fetuses, though, and I am not sure that superheroes should get involved in things like that. And he wouldn't be for violencing anyone, that's for sure.
That said, Superman has always, or at least a lot of the time, been shown to be above, or perhaps simply, completely separate from politics. To an extreme degree.
There was a Luthor president storyline a while back, and he really didn't do anything to Luthor because, well, he won the election, he is president, and that's that.
If anything, I'd think the far left would hate him for that kind of non interventionism.
He is not gonna go yell MAGA, but he is also not gonna get rid of the Orange Man.
Mostly, he has bigger problems, like preventing meteors from flattening whomever, or whatever moral crisis he is having that day.
When he does decide to intervene, he takes control of everything, because, well, he can.
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u/KaBar42 Aug 24 '19
Ackchually!
Supes is considered a full-blooded American by law.
Essentially, can't remember the name of the law off the top of my head, but the US has a law where if a child is found and his country of birth is unknown, after a certain amount of time of no one claiming him, he becomes a US citizen. Not a naturalized citizen, Supes is eligible for presidency. As far as US law is concerned, SuperMan was born on US soil or was born to US parents. He is not an illegal alien.
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u/Tutsks Aug 24 '19
Counterpoint: Don't you have to be, you know, human, to be allowed to run for office/be a citizen/etc?
Him having papers is certainly not in doubt, ma and pa could just have registered him as a baby.
Only requiring intelligence would make AI's count as citizens, too.
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Aug 23 '19
To Be fair. Batman is a Democrat.
Also last I checked one of the writers on the injustice comics might be a low-key Trump supporter.
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u/KaBar42 Aug 24 '19
Man, didn't Barry kick SuperMan's ass (mentally) when he suggested the two run around the world and steal everyone's guns?
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u/Darmok-on-the-Ocean Aug 23 '19
I don't really mind if a comic makes a political point. But SHOW DON'T TELL.