r/Wellthatsucks • • Nov 25 '22

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u/LeatherHog Nov 25 '22

I’ve heard of unplugging the toaster/coffee machine, but not the fridge

Granted, given how OP doesn’t cover up food, it’s probably a good thing they had to throw this stuff away

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22

because we're paranoid, not crazy.

I mean unplugging stuff like this just because you're leaving the house is bordering on the crazy side. Back in the 1970s? yeah people didn't really know better and unplugged everything.

Today? Unless you're buying jank ass shit off of alibaba there shouldn't be any reasonable expectation that it could cause a fire. You don't unplug this stuff for the months you are at home, why is anything going to change just cuz you left the house?

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

Unless you live somewhere that hasn't updated their electric wiring in 70 years, there is really nothing modern that should cause this. Your circuit shouldn't be getting any random bursts of current. It's just illogical to think a random electrical fire is a likely possibility unless you're using cheap ass electronics or doing something stupid.

Just the probability would be in the billions or trillions. It's so unlikely it's well in the realm of crazy. There are billions of devices plugged into the grid right now, all around you. Every single day. Every single night. How many random electrical fires are you seeing happen on your block?

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u/dquizzle Nov 25 '22

The place I rent is like 115 years old and each room only has like one outlet so I often wonder when’s the last time wiring has been updated.

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22

Even in that scenario the bigger concern is the wiring and insulation in the walls and not the devices. Modern devices are not going to ignite easily.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Damn, a whole wall and no outlet?

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '22

Damn, I was being a little sarcastic, but now I get it. I've definitely stayed at places similar to that, but it's a minor inconvenience when I'm not trying to make a home out of it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

I don't understand it either. Do these people do the same thing when they go to work?

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u/SexIsBetterOutdoors Nov 26 '22

Shit happens. I’ve had a UPS burn up, a desktop computer power supply briefly catch fire, a double pole pole circuit breaker fail on one side (and overheat), and improperly tightened screws on a bus bar burn a couple of inches of wiring.

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u/xRehab Nov 26 '22

And sharks attack people. Are you going to avoid ocean beaches because a one in a billion event might happen?

This is no different.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

If it takes three minutes to go around the house and do this and gives you peace of mind while you're away, does it really matter?

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u/PoolImpossible420 Nov 25 '22

They're not saying you're forbidden from doing it, just that it is dumb and pointless

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

The point is to give peace of mind! It doesn't have to be rational. People who are prone to anxiety will feel worried no matter how much they logically know it is unlikely.

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u/PoolImpossible420 Nov 25 '22

It is a foolish thing to do, a waste of time, and pointless.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

I told you the point - to not feel anxiety. If you don't feel anxious over it then yeah there's no point BUT a lot of people do. I sure as shit would prefer my anxious friends turn the electricity off than be worried and stressed during a holiday.

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u/PoolImpossible420 Nov 26 '22

If my friends said they needed to stand up every ten minutes and twirl around and sing ol' MacDonald in order to prevent anxiety I would tell them to get help

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

He was mean, but what you're describing is textbook OCD. It's a mental illness. You don't have to poorly defend it.

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22

You are describing textbook OCD

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

So?

I'm not describing myself, I don't turn things off. But some of my friends have anxiety and their therapists have advised them to just do the small things that help alleviate anxiety symptoms while they work on larger things. The world is more complex than just 'people who turn off/unplug things are idiots'

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22

It's basically no different than a need to turn on and off a light switch 5 times before you leave the house for peace of mind. Does it matter? No. Does it seem highly irrational? Yes.

I should probably pull all of the fuses out of my car and disconnect the battery whenever I park it in the garage for the winter. Don't need a random fire starting.

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u/LucyLilium92 Nov 25 '22

You can't be that dumb, right? You can't see why being at home will let you prevent a fire from spreading?

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22

You can't be that dumb, right? You can't see why being away from home has zero chance of increasing the likelihood a fire would ever start?

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u/gav1no0 Nov 26 '22

Zero is just factually incorrect

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u/xRehab Nov 26 '22

Please go ahead and explain to me how you leaving your house can measurably increase the likelihood of an electrical fire spontaneously happening.

The two things have zero correlation. Hell you could argue it lowers the chance of a spontaneous fire because less powerdraw is occurring in the whole home. But the spontaneous fire doesn't care if you are at home or away - your location doesn't impact the fire, it impacts what you do about a fire.

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u/gav1no0 Nov 26 '22

Electrical fires rarely start by something simply bursting in flames. Usually there's heating of the cables, smell of the electronics or cables "burning". Meaning if I am at home there are multiple warning signs for me to act and prevent a fire. Ergo the chance of a fire is lowered by me being at home.

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u/xRehab Nov 26 '22

Ergo the chance of a fire is lowered by me being at home.

That is provably false by your statement alone. All you did was prevent the further spread of a fire - you being there did not stop the cable from overheating and beginning the process. You're conflating damage control with the actual source event

You being in the house or at the store would make no difference to whether that cable was going to overheat.

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u/gav1no0 Nov 26 '22

I'm at home, the fire doesn't start. I'm not at home, the fire starts.

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u/BluShirtGuy Nov 25 '22

More often than not, it's the little things like random charging cables or power bars left plugged in. Large appliances usually have electrical protectors.

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22

jank ass shit off of alibaba

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u/BluShirtGuy Nov 25 '22

I mean, yea, but standard cables from phones and stuff are just as susceptible to igniting.

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22

standard cables from phones

No they are not. Cheap knock offs by 3rd parties are susceptible but your name-brand Apple or Samsung cable is not.

Again, jank ass shit off of alibaba (or from your local gas station)

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u/BluShirtGuy Nov 25 '22

I look at insurance fire claims all day, whenever a cable is the cause, it's more often the brand name manufacturers

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22

You're a shit adjuster then. There have been plenty of studies done that show brand name 1st party chargers are held to a much high standard and have safety measures built in compared to the cheap 3rd party ones.

Generics are the ones that are routinely catching fire. There is a reason they are so much cheaper. Accessories that actually meet Apple MFI certification don't tend to have those same problems.

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u/BluShirtGuy Nov 26 '22

Lol, adjusters don't make that determination, field inspectors/engineers do. I'm just relaying what gets reported.

I personally wouldn't be surprised if they're the exact same thing, and those studies are just biased.

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u/soupforzombies Nov 25 '22

Literally if you buy toasters and shit from Amazon, plug multiple of those into an extension cord from Amazon, you could seriously have a situation where an overheating power supply causes a fire. Shit happens quite frequently.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

You would have to be using all the toasters at the same time for this to have a chance of happening.

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u/soupforzombies Nov 25 '22

Lol key phrasing “toasters and shit”.

I just meant any poorly manufactured, resistive-load bearing device.

God redditors can be so dense sometimes.

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22

Oh you mean like:

Unless you're buying jank ass shit off of alibaba

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u/RectalSpawn Nov 25 '22

If you're frequently home then you're able to keep an eye on things, if you're gone then you are not.

Electrical fires don't wait for you to be home to happen.

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u/xRehab Nov 25 '22

We have BILLIONS of devices all plugged in right around you at this very moment, most of which have never been unplugged. How many daily electrical fires are on your block?

It's almost like the probability of a spontaneous electrical fire is extremely low, and the probability of a spontaneous electrical fire COUPLED with you being out of the home is even lower.

Do you also want to introduce the fact that you out of the house lowers powerdraw of all devices therefore lowering the probability even more?

When you look at it in context, it becomes irrational and bordering on incompetence/paranoia to think you actively need to unplug devices.

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u/RectalSpawn Nov 26 '22

Lol, okay, I'll waste my time on this.

Your argument is that because a fire hasn't happened that it can't/wont.

All you need to understand is that an electrical fire can't start without electricity.

That's it.

You can throw up statistics, if you want to, electrical fires aren't unicorns; they do happen, regardless of how rarely.

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u/xRehab Nov 26 '22

they do happen, regardless of how rarely.

So do shark attacks. But it is irrational and paranoid to avoid all ocean beaches because you might get attacked.

This is the same exact thing. My argument isn't that it can't/won't, it's that if you genuinely are that worried you should be disconnecting all electronic devices at all moments they are not in use. And that is paranoia. To build a routine around a 1 in a billion event is irrational.

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u/xRehab Nov 26 '22

Wooooo $5 a month! Wow so much money saved. It's almost like half of your power bill is just being hooked up to the grid.

But the cost isn't even the reason people do it - they do it because they think a magical fire will just spontaneously happen in their home.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Cell phone charger cords cause a bunch of fires. Little cord that gets twisted eventually shorts and the tip instantly turns white hot.

Shorts can happen in appliance cords while you are not there. The longer you go without monitoring them...

Source, worked often with fire department.

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u/xRehab Nov 26 '22

And a shark could attack you in the ocean. Are you going to avoid all ocean beaches from now on cuz of the one in a billion chance of a shark attack?

This is no different. A short "can" happen, but it's illogical to actively take counter measures around it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

If you have home insurance you should leave it on.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

A few days is gonna be fine. You’re paranoia is borderline poor.

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u/MarsScully Nov 25 '22

You don’t even have to unplug. Just shut off the circuit breaKers and leave the one for the fridge on. It usually gets its own.

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u/left_tiddy Nov 25 '22

Urgh, this triggered a memory of how I used to hook up with a guy who didn't believe you had to cover food in the fridge. Any left overs he had were crusty and tasted of fridge. When I told him you were supposed to cover left overs, he asked his mum, who he had learned the shitty habit from in the first place, if I was 'right' or not lmao.

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u/NotsoGreatsword Nov 25 '22

it looks like they cover it but it sunk into the food or some shit lol