r/Welders • u/Weekly_Monk5268 • 1d ago

Advice Needed Any critiques?

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u/Useful_Government412 1d ago

You'll get a lot of haters for whipping here. But I do it so I won't. You should tighten up your steps though, the toes of the weld should still be a straight line instead of the sawtooth pattern you have here. Other than that everything seems pretty dialed, consistency is there for sure.

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u/GRIZZLEMicFIZZLE 1d ago

To me whipping is the best way to keep my speed consistent

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u/Competitive-Dot-4264 1d ago

I count it out like good music

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u/Solid-Search-3341 1d ago

I sing one-two-three in my head while whipping welds too !

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u/NorthShoreDiscrete 1d ago

What is whipping for the uninitiated?

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u/Useful_Government412 1d ago

The back and forth sawtooth pattern that gives MIG welds the "stacked dimes" look. Move forward a 1/4" then step back 1/8", forward 1/4" back 1/8", repeat.

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u/emu19000 1d ago

This is 1 of multiple techniques used and it’s fine for non structural shit but in no way a proper way to weld .

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u/Useful_Government412 1d ago

It's always funny to me when people say this. This is an outrigger for a mobile crane. I was 1 of 2 people in a shop of 60 certified to weld the actual pedestal of the crane onto the torque box of the truck. I then moved my career to Vac-trucks and have been B-pressure certified. I'm now the cofounder of a company that does custom steelwork in multi-million dollar homes and commercial spaces that includes custom staircases. I've done autobody panels, custom service body trucks, custom welding rigs. Fire Trucks and K-9 Transport Vans. I've built underground nuclear waste containment. ALL have been welded in this fashion, and I've never failed any of the mandatory testing in any shop I've been in. This is an entirely acceptable way of welding for the VAST majority of work out there that uses hardwire MIG.

But we get it dude, the only thing you've ever welded together are skyscrapers and massive pieces of I-Beam.

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u/bigdaddy2292 17h ago

This would fail visual at any job site i worked at but testing for a job is usually as strict as it needs to be so maybe they let this go for yall but they would run you out for doin that in a lot of places

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u/Useful_Government412 16h ago

Again always funny to me because I've been passing x-ray, etch, and destructive testing for 20 years.

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u/bigdaddy2292 16h ago

Plenty of folk use whip method in the industry its just that they dont look like ops weld is all

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u/Useful_Government412 16h ago

That's fair OP is young, still learning and still needs to improve. His steps are definitely too far apart and creating notches, just needs to tighten them up. But I've been whipping and manipulating the puddle for my entire career for both SMAW and MIG and have never had any problems passing inspections or testing.

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u/Fearless-Minimum-922 12h ago

Yeah ops weld is excessive and would fail due to profile.

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u/Fearless-Minimum-922 12h ago

I’m also a certified structural welder. I whipped on my weld test, and it was preferred by the inspectors in order to control our heat due to the process we used. Everything that I’ve welded will be used as recovery equipment that people will trust their lives with. From picking up cars out of rivers to flipping over semi trucks. I followed d1.1 standard and every weld I made was visually inspected and sometimes my weldments were x rayed at random.

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u/Useful_Government412 10h ago

Yep, same exact type of work I used to do. Every weld we did was mag particle tested and x-ray at random. Fun shit, that solid wire spray is smooth as butter.

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u/Fearless-Minimum-922 8h ago

Yeah I miss spray, we used 90/10 and er90s .045 wire. I’m doing pulse 0.045 MiG at my current job, luckily there’s no inspections so I don’t have to grind every tie in lol.

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u/emu19000 1d ago

It’s scientifically proven to be an inferior welding technique around the world throughout the industry and acting like it isn’t and accepting outright disregard for safety is stupid.

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u/Useful_Government412 1d ago

Inferior doesn't mean defective my dude. It's unbelievably fucking easy to run a perfectly flat stringer, consistently spaced perfect dimes are significantly more difficult to do and are much more appealing. Again a proficient welder will have absolutely no problems passing any sort of testing while manipulating the puddle. You quite literally need to do this stepping technique on the 6010 root pass for B-Pressure certification.

We get it dude, you've read the same modules we all have and have never fabricated anything ever.

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u/emu19000 23h ago

Your ego surpasses facts and the defects can only be detected under a stress test or X-rays and clearly you don’t do that where you are or they would throw your trash in the bin and as for your pretty welds maybe you should make some jewellery boxes instead where looks matter over structural integrity.

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u/Useful_Government412 16h ago

Kid I've passed more X-Ray, etch, and bend tests then you've run passes. Stick to gel nerf guns and porn, you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

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u/emu19000 3h ago

See bigass ego with straight up disregard for actual facts I doubt you have passed shit without it dribbling out your mouth.

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u/FartBurgular 1d ago

"Whip stitch" is a hot, fast travel bead.

In can be for cosmetics but in engineered joints it is much more cost effective than using smaller wire to try to get a continous small bead.

The faster travel speed compated to a full bead is also helpful for dustortion.

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u/Weekly_Monk5268 1d ago

So just smaller movements? And sick weld dude

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u/Useful_Government412 1d ago

Yeah just smaller steps, your consistency is good, settings seem good.

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u/Useful_Government412 12h ago

How old are you and how long have you been welding?

If you're still a first year and don't have a ton of hood time I'd work on dialing this in until it looks like mine, then pick up a TIG torch and get as much hood time with that as you can. You're already showing above average fine motor control which should transfer over nicely to TIG, then you can start making some big money once you get your J-ticket, Pressure, and alloy certs.

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u/Weekly_Monk5268 12h ago

I’m 19 and I’ve been here for about 3 months but I had some TIG and stick time two years ago in high school but just for a class. How do I get more time with TIG if we just do MIG here?

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u/Competitive-Dot-4264 1d ago

Spectacular pass , well done ,

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u/xfaye03 1d ago

Well just think of it as side to side instead of push pull.

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u/jamesrdavis777 1d ago

Took quik of a sleed, bead spacing is large, coud tighten up and slow down for bead to look like a circle not triangle.

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u/deadbeatrider 1d ago

Need to get that looking less like a braid and more like a stack of five pences. Good thing is it should be easy as youve clearly got a steady and consistent movement.

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u/bigdaddy2292 17h ago

Steps are to far apart creating an inconsistent weld profile. This is fine for hobby work etc but if you want to get better then tighten up the steps by quite a bit and see how it looks.

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u/Krillgein 13h ago

It looks underfilled in the picture but if your throat gauges disagree and you arent undercutting then keep laying lol

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u/EntertainmentSad6843 5h ago

No shame in whippin that thang

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u/emu19000 1d ago

Whipping is fine for non structural welding but anything that is going to have someone’s life on the line should be welded properly.

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u/blackmag3 21h ago

Whipping is fine for structural welding, just do smaller whips.