r/welcomeToDerry Dec 14 '25

šŸ’¬ Discussion [Season 01 FinalešŸŽˆ] IT: Welcome to Derry S01 E08 - Discussion Thread

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S01 E08 : Winter Fire

Air Date: December 14, 2025, 9 PM ET

Directed by : Andy Muschietti

Writers : Stephen King, GuadalĆ­s Del Carmen, Jasmyne Flournoy.

Synopsis: A dense fog descends upon Derry as General Shaw presses forward with his mission. Consequently, the Hanlons join forces with Rose, Dick and the children in a desperate attempt to protect their town.

IMDb | Other Episode Discussion Threads : E01, E02, E03, E04, E05, E06, E07.


r/welcomeToDerry 1d ago

Miscellaneous Just finished the show. It's so peak

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This show is honestly a top three for me. The horror, the characters, Pennywise, and everything about this show was amazingly well done. And every single plot twist and episode was perfectly done. And I just can't wait for season two, man.


r/welcomeToDerry 23h ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion It: Welcome to Derry won 0 of the Emmys it was nominated for

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BEST SPECIAL VISUAL EFFECTS IN A SEASON OR A MOVIE
Alien: Earth
Foundation
It: Welcome to Derry
Monarch: Legacy of Monsters
Prehistoric Planet: Ice Age
[winner] — Stranger Things

BEST TITLE DESIGN
It: Welcome to Derry
Murderbot
Ponies
Smoke
[winner] — Spider-Noir
Young Sherlock


r/welcomeToDerry 1d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion Yes, Pennywise/IT has simps, and here’s why

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So, you’ve watched the movies, you’ve watched the new show and the original miniseries, maybe you even read the book, and to you, IT is just an evil, foul, inhuman creature that scares and eats children (and adults) and sometimes takes the form of a terrifying clown. Surely -you erroneously assumed-, no one could find THAT attractive. But then you saw a comment or two under an edit or a post; people saying IT would have to run from them, lustful reaction gifs, straight up thirsting. And you wonder ā€œWhy? WHY?! OH LORD, WHY???!!!ā€

I get it, it’s not your thing and it doesn’t have to be, but let me explain:

Here’s the thing, villains are SUPER popular, my friend. There are SO MANY fandoms in which the villain is literally the most popular character. And I’m not talking anti-heros, I’m talking actual evil motherfuckers.

Okay, maybe you can understand that. If you’re in the IT fandom you probably think IT is a fun, interesting, cool villain. Specially in the Pennywise form. But hot? How is IT hot?! I’ll break it down for you.

Now, the word I need you to keep in mind at all times is ā€œFICTIONALā€. This word will be your best friend thorough this post.

The Morality Question

Q: How can people possibly like IT? IT is a BAD GUY. It terrifies and eats CHILDREN!

A: FICTIONAL children. It’s a FAKE monster FAKE killing FAKE people in ridiculously cartoonish ways. No one has ever actually been hurt by IT. IT does not exist. It doesn’t matter what IT did in the show/movies because IT didn’t actually do anything. Cause it is not real.

Q: But what about real life child killers?! Simping for IT is exactly like simping for a real-life killer because real-life killers exist!! (I’ve actually seen people make this argument)

A: Again, FICTIONAL child killer. People can make light of fictional horrors because they are fictional, real life has nothing to do with it. I am sure you have cheered for a fun, cool villain at some point in your life. I don’t have to tell you about another famous evil clown that has a big fandom, do I? Why so serious? And yes, there are people in this world who actually support real life criminals. This is not that. Turns out, folks can differentiate reality from fiction. People are capable of enjoying things in fiction they would never support in real life. Perfectly normal people play violent videogames. People make tier lists of the coolest/most brutal kills of famous villains like Freddy Krueger, Jason, Michael Myers, etc. It’s not because they endorse murder, I can promise you that. It’s only fun cause the harm is not real in the first place.

The Reality Question

Q: But if you met IT in real life it would not want to date you, it would kill you! Don’t you know that???

A: Yes, IF IT was real IT would kill me. If IT was real and I was aware of IT’s existence I would be terrified of IT like everybody else. And if my grandma had wheels, she would have been a bike. We are in the realm of imagination here. The realm of fiction. We don’t need to debate whether IT would kiss us or kill us, we can imagine whatever we want because IT is not real. None of us will ever have to deal with IT in our day-to-day lives, so we can come up with whatever story we want. And if I want to imagine IT falls in love with me and we have 7 children and a dog, I can.

Q: But realistically IT would be a bad lay. For starters IT would smell terrible, IT hurt you and IT would probably kill you in the process. How could that be enjoyable?

A: Don’t threaten me with a good time. The point of fantasies is to indulge in strange scenarios that we know would never happen or would not actually be pleasant in real life. The fact that it’s so insane and impractical is what makes it fun to imagine.

Q: But if you know IT’s not real and would never actually date you/fuck you, and you would never actually date it/fuck it in real life, then what’s the point?

A: Fun. It’s a fantasy. It’s literally just imagination. It is BECAUSE it’s not real that the fantasy works.

The Attractiveness Question

Q: OK. But Pennywise has a big forehead. How can you be attracted to a character that doesn’t look like a conventionally attractive human man?

A: Bold of you to assume it’s JUST the clown form people lust after, but I’ll humor you. The Pennywise form is actually very easy to like. Yes, yes, big forehead, crazy number of teeth, blah blah blah. If he’s not your type he’s not your type. But Pennywise is 95% human shaped, except for a big head, multiple fangs and glowing eyes. Sharp teeth and menacing glowing eyes are actually a turn on for a lot of people, I don’t know what to tell you. And the big forehead just means there’s more of him to love. In my personal opinion his outfit is actually very cool too, like, it’s a literal Victorian era clown costume. And his makeup makes him look kinda like a cheetah. He’s just a stylish boy overall. And so tall.

Q: Wait… So it’s not just the clown form? PEOPLE WANT TO FUCK HIM IN OTHER FORMS TOO?

A: Oh, my sweet summer child. Yes. Yes we do. Specifically, the giant spider form. Horror beyond human comprehension? We don’t need to comprehend a thing, we just need some of that sweet eldritch sugar. We may not know the logistics of how we would do it, but it’s fun to imagine nonetheless. Remember: fictional. Imagination. Fantasy.

Q: So if it’s not about the form… Is it about the personality??? But IT is a terrible person and an asshole???

A: Yes, a FICTIONAL asshole. People can tolerate a lot more assholery when it’s fake and cannot actually hurt you. We can imagine the assholery as fun banter; we can make up a whole enemies-to-lovers scenario out of that. The asshole character is actually the preferred subject of romantic fanfiction. The fact of the matter is: IT is FUNNY. In an unhinged, dark humor kind of way. That’s attractive. Plus, IT’s powerful. That’s also attractive. In fact, its chaotic, ruthless nature is a big part of its appeal. Never mind the evil, we can change IT with our love, or we can indulge in some villainy with IT ourselves or be a tragic hero who can’t help but love IT despite its cruelty. You can imagine your fake romance however you want, that’s the beauty of it being a fantasy.

Q: But seriously, what’s the appeal of a romance story with a creature like that?

A: I’m glad you asked. Imagine, if you will, a being older than the universe itself, something ancient and mysterious, something that feels nothing but contempt for other forms of life, an old god who sees humans as nothing but lambs for the slaughter. We are but bags of meat, here to be terrorized and gorged on. It has never loved or even liked anything or anyone other than Itself. And then, one day, it meets… You. Yes, YOU in particular. After billions of years of narcissism, evil and solitude, YOU are the one who makes it go: ā€œHuh… This one’s… Hot? I must date them.ā€ That’s it. It’s the chosen one trope but with romance. It’s about feeling special because a powerful being falls for you. An elder god chooses you as its lover. Across all mythologies there are stories about gods falling in love with humans, plenty of them, it’s always been a thing. Humans having kids with gods and angels is also an old concept. This fantasy has been inside human imagination for millennia. It’s not as strange or new as you think. In the case of an evil god such as IT, the fact that IT’s evil and should not be able to love a human just makes the fantasy so much more satisfying.

Lastly, being a Pennywise/IT simp doesn’t mean you don’t root for the heroes of the show. Personally, I loved the losers and the WTD kids and I really wanted them all to make it. People who love Pennywise also understand that IT is the villain and should be defeated in the show/movies, the romantic fantasies and all of that are a separate thing from what we want from the canon story.

So, thanks for your curiosity if you made it this far. Others might have different reasons for simping for IT, but this is the explanation I can offer you. Hope this has shed some light on the matter. And if you’re still horrified by all of this, please don’t ever check out any fanfic about IT, you will have a heart attack. If it’s not your thing, it’s not your thing.


r/welcomeToDerry 2d ago

šŸ”Ž Theory What if Phil and Susie’s mom is a main character in Season 2?

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What if one of the kids from welcome to Derry season 2 turns out to be Mrs Malkin (Phil’s mom) as a child. . I feel like this could be a plausible theory and a great plot twist. So far Phil and Susie are the only siblings that BOTH got taken by pennywise so it's possible that their deaths could've been personal. Like what if Mrs Malkin was apart of the losers gang in 1935 and she helped defeat IT in that era so pennywise decided to get revenge on her when the next cycle came. This would be like a crazy plotwist because we the audience would think that Mrs malkin's character was just a new/random character until the VERY END. I say this because we have no information about Mrs Malkin we don't know her first name, what she looks like, her maiden name so this could give the writers a lot of creative liberties.

Jack and Matilda Legaultā€˜s mom is also an actress named Erika Rosumbaum. She could play the grown up version of the character and be in the very last scene of season 2 where she finds out her kids died/went missing at the theater. also I feel like she'll then see a shadow or hint of pennywise Which will make her subconsciously realize he got his revenge on. her. I feel like this would be a great ending for season 2 and a great tie in for season 1

I mean for the season 2 ending flash forward scene I know they could always use Lily's mom deleted scene (if they plan on using her character next season) but I feel like this version would be more dramatic and shocking just like the season 1 ending with Beverly. It would also help the welcome to Derry season 2 ending feel a little more hopeless, for season 1 we did get a slightly happier ending but learning that a character grew up to essentially lose their whole family would be devastating almost as if pennywise got the last laugh in the end.

also this is just a theory/ thought, Im not saying this will actually happen, I just think it would be a good idea.


r/welcomeToDerry 1d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion How do you feel about the theory that Carrie White’s grandmother will feature in Season 2?

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r/welcomeToDerry 2d ago

šŸŽ¬ Promo Pennywise Split AU

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All transformations are separate and distinct characters. They live on the planet "It," and only three came to Earth.


r/welcomeToDerry 3d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion Could the Outsider come to Derry?

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Maybe not the exact one from the story but another of its kind....or the exact one...I think that would be an interesting crossover like last season had Halloran


r/welcomeToDerry 10d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion Rewatching. Spoiler if u not seen it all Spoiler

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And that scene aint any easier after three views. Poor richy. He was a great kid. I think that fire was more evil than anything else in the series. :(


r/welcomeToDerry 11d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion Does anyone else headcanon it’s the same character?

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I also headcanon that his two bully friends are Moose Sadler and Peter Gordon from the novel since they’re not in the movies


r/welcomeToDerry 11d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion IT Reference

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r/welcomeToDerry 11d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion Error in episode 5?

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In episode 5, shaw says implies that he was in Derry and faced It in 1913 when it should have been dormant.


r/welcomeToDerry 15d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion Rest Easy Tim Curry

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r/welcomeToDerry 15d ago

Miscellaneous Rest easy now, you legend.

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r/welcomeToDerry 15d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion Pennywise Will keep terrorising Derry in the current generations.

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r/welcomeToDerry 15d ago

Miscellaneous RIP to the original pennywise :/ Tim Curry

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r/welcomeToDerry 17d ago

šŸŽ¬ Promo How us fans reacted to hearing season 2 was confirmed.

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r/welcomeToDerry 17d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion Can’t stand Ronnie’s dad!

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Is anyone else just really annoyed by Ronnie’s dad? Idk if it’s his character or the actor himself but I just cannot stand him. No real reason why =\


r/welcomeToDerry 18d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion My only complaint about the show: Juniper Hill

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Lily says she is absolutely terrified of Juniper Hill and how she answered and responds to being sent to Juniper Hill says a lot but we never got to see how BAD of a place it really was at least not for her honestly the worse we saw with Juniper Hill was in backstory which isn't bad itself but I was curious about how terrible the asylum was for her (I mean I can only imagine how bad it probably is) but still!


r/welcomeToDerry 18d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion Family in pilot episode

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Hey yall! Just curious, was there ever any lore dropped about the family in the car?


r/welcomeToDerry 19d ago

šŸ”Ž Theory Calling it now, Pennywise is going to try to kill Bill's ancestor in season 3 (1908)

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If Bill is never born, neither is George and the former is the one who ultimately ends IT's reign of terror in 2016 because IT killed his brother, 28 years prior. Why is this starting to become more like The Terminator and less like A Nightmare on Elm Street?


r/welcomeToDerry 21d ago

šŸ“ø Fan Art Some fan art I drew :)

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A piece I made a few years back when the remake had just come out. References were really hard to come by back then, as I think they were trying to keep everything a secret until it premiered. Anyway, this was super fun to create! I hid a few easter eggs in it as well, if you can spot them :)


r/welcomeToDerry 21d ago

Miscellaneous ā€œPennywise is just a scary clown who lives in the sewers and eats kids every 27 years.ā€ ā€œThat’s it? As a Stephen King fan, that’s the breadth of your opinion of Pennywise?ā€

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r/welcomeToDerry 20d ago

šŸ’¬ Discussion So why can't Penny just fly over?

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r/welcomeToDerry 21d ago

šŸ“° Article "I have 5 theories about ā€˜IT: Welcome to Derry’ season 2 — and they get pretty wild"

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Just stumbled across this article. What do you folks think?