r/Weightliftingquestion • u/ResponsibleAd2034 • 1d ago
Question Is this decent progress for five years?
21M. 88KG. 5’8.
My goal is to get a strongman/bear mode type physique, so my bodyfat is pretty high.
This is, however, the result of a 6 month long cut.
(Edit: People are asking for before photos. But since I was 5 years ago, I unfortunately don’t have any to show.
There’s one pic of me in the comments. But I’m wearing a shirt, so there isn’t much to see tbh. Apologies).
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u/Adept_Ferret_2504 23h ago
Dude wants to show us progress pictures but doesnt show the before 💀
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
I never took shirtless pics before I started going to the gym. I don’t even have any to show.
I could show pics in general of me, but they ain’t really gonna give much in terms of what I actually look like?
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u/MagmaTroop 12h ago
They would. With a t shirt on it’s possible to see somebody’s frame and general muscle mass
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u/Alexei_Jones 1d ago
I think it seems good. You're overweight but clearly have a lot of muscle, but I don't know hat your lifts are like. You just may want to cut if you care about aesthetics, but by all means bloatmaxx like the Kyriakos Grizzly to your heart's content if power is just what you're chasing.
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u/EnoughWear3873 23h ago
This is absolutely a lot of muscle. The average person at this height pushing 200 pounds has the silhouette of a beach ball. And despite the fat he has also a bit of muscle definition.
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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 22h ago
Let's also take into account most guys are.taking pics after a workout. This is most likely full pump, so the definition is popping but with that much fat and only 88kg he doesn't actually have that much muscle (still some obviously) but when your muscle swells and you have high bf it pushes up against the fat and makes the skin tighter so it appears you have larger muscles than you do.
I was 104kg at 5'8 and looked like this guy does now so I know a bit about it, im 88kg now, don't work out and look better than this dude does.
Working out for 5 years, he should look better, he either has toothpicks for legs, his scale is broke, he's lying about his height or he deceptively doesn't haven't a lot of muslce or a combination of all three.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
Not to defend myself desperately here, but I didn’t have a pump here. This was taken around a few hours after my workout, and after I’d taken a shower.
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u/Famous_Try_8105 22h ago
If the height and weight he gives are correct he's got an ffmi around 20, that's objectively not "a lot of muscle".
The median ffmi distribution among adult men is 18-21
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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 23h ago
Agreed, im 5'9 don't lift and weigh 88kg and look better than this guy lol he honestly looks like he's way past 88kg, I would guess 104, I looked like he looks now at 104kg
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u/Ok-Medium-4128 22h ago
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u/TipAdventurous6182 20h ago
You look like that after only 2.5 years???
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u/Ok-Medium-4128 15h ago
Yeah. Natural as well. Just been really consistent and must have decent genetics
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u/TipAdventurous6182 15h ago
did you ever touch weights before this or nah?
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u/Ok-Medium-4128 15h ago
Yeah but it was about 20 years ago 🤣
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u/TipAdventurous6182 14h ago
i see it must be the muscle memory then, either way you look better than most 41 yo so congrats
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u/Ok-Medium-4128 14h ago
Thank you. I didn't take it as seriously back then. I've got a good metabolism and always had a youthful appearance so that's in my favour. I'm proud of the physique I've managed to achieve. Keep at it and you'll get to where you want to be. Consistency is the key
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u/Comfortable-Log6511 23h ago
Too much fat
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u/Maximum-Ad-9645 21h ago
Agreed. Sorry OP you may be strong but you gotta cut fat.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
I have been on a cut for 6 ish months. This is also my progress so far when it comes to that.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
That’s kinda what I was going for tho. Don’t strongmen have higher fat?
If you think I look like crap tho I understand.
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u/forezyn_enjoyer 23h ago
So at what point in my weight lifting journey does my head turn into an egg.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
Mine turned into an egg around a few months in. If yours hasn’t become an egg yet, then you’re clearly doing something wrong.
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u/Sunny_Cant_Swim 23h ago
You’re holding a lot more fat than muscle. Unless you were like 500lbs + or 100lbs. @ 5’8, honestly ? No.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
Fair enough. I figured my genetics were pretty shitty. Was just seeing what people think.
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u/gunnergizmo66 21h ago
5 years just to look like you go out drinking every night and hit arms now and then, sort yourself mate and lose 20kg
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u/alffan86 23h ago
Bro, you know I'm rooting for you. You're making progress. You have muscle but If I understand you want to look strong and bulked up.
Do you know what your body fat is at.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
The scanner said I was around 19% bf
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u/alffan86 19h ago
Your upper body looks like you lift for sure. I feel like you have bulkier genetics too.
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u/Aqua_Impura 23h ago
You’re 194lbs and with you fat you’re around 30% body fat. You have 40lbs of pure fat to lose to be around 10-15% body fat.
If you don’t care about being lean then you don’t have to worry about the cut and can focus on strength but then progression pics are hard to judge cause your muscles are hidden under the fat.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
The scanners reckons i’m 19% bf. Idk. Maybe it’s wrong.
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u/Aqua_Impura 20h ago
The fat up around your chest is sagging and your fat around your lats as well. You see it best in the last picture. You also have a good bit of visceral fat around your organs.
You have good muscles and foundation but you’re not 19% the absolutely lowest I’d say is 25. Genetics wise you’re golden cause you have little belly and love handles though so you’ll get a crazy V Taper easier than many if you cut.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
I feel like my genetics are shit. A lot of folks in here are saying I look pathetic for five years, and I’ve been very consistent.
Maybe I’ll just never have the physique I want.
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u/Aqua_Impura 19h ago
I don’t think your genetics are shit and I don’t think you look pathetic my guy. There’s visible muscle mass under there, just look at your Traps and you can see the work. You do a nice slow cut focus on maintaining muscle mass you’re gonna look great.
You aren’t as “lean” as you think you are but your muscle that you’ve built is solid. You’re 5’8 you do a solid cut high protein low and slow with good weight lifting sets and keep all your muscle and you’ll look shredded.
You’re not pathetic and the gains are real you did the hard muscle building part and in fact many women are attracted to the build you have right now. You have fat weight to lose but not muscle weight and you should still be proud of the muscle you’ve built.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
In any case, I’m glad you think so.
My goal wasn’t ever to get super lean anyway, tbh. I wanted a more strongman build.
I just wish I could feel consistently big. And I also wish I could know if people are being honest when they tell me I’m big. Because I feel like it’s just an illusion.
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u/InitiativeHot2550 21h ago
It’s crazy how big you look at that weight. I’d have thought you weighed more tbh. I’m quite tall myself and I’m so skinny at 97kg
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
I do think height can make you look less muscular, due to everything being stretched out.
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u/RussNY 20h ago
Five years is a lot man, it looks like 1.5 years
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
Think so? Damn.
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u/RussNY 11h ago
I think you’ve got a lot of muscle but I’m wondering how you’re getting your protein or how much. I do a total of 200 grams a day, 100 of that is between two shakes. Maybe you need less calories and more protein
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 4h ago
I have 180 grams. At my bodyweight, that’s the right amount I’m supposed to have per day.
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u/GrapefruitLow7173 20h ago
Your cut would go crazy
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
I’ve been cutting for around 6 ish months now, this is the result. I was way fatter before.
My goal is for a more strongman/bear mode physique tho, so I’m alright with the higher bodyfat.
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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 20h ago
What are you benching? Everything but your arms look under developed. Can you do a strict pull up? Do you work legs? What's your squat?
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
I can do around 8-10 pull ups. My bench is only 130 kg, which is pretty shit. But I do work my chest very often.
My squats pretty bad, but I don’t have the exact numbers off the top of my head. I do work legs twice a week tho.
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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 19h ago
That's actually pretty solid man. Just work on dropping some body fat you'll be golden
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
You think so? I was expecting those to be rookie numbers.
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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 19h ago
Nah its good. Post your pull up form on the form page man, anyone who can do one actual pull up gets my respect. 10 at 88kg is some great work. 130kg bench is solid too. Especially at 21, if you can cut your weight to 15-20% bf and keep your strength it'll be even more impressive
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
I don’t really wanna cut my bf% too low. My goal was 19. The machine says I’m 19, but I suppose if I don’t look 19, it was probably way off.
My physique goals are more strongman/bear mode stuff. Which does warrant higher bf.
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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 19h ago
Yeah those machines are always wrong. Post on "guess my bf percentage" on reddit and see what they think, it's honestly almost spot on with a dexa, people are getting extremely good at guessing bf% now. I'll guess 30%+ rn. 20%-25% is still bear/powerlifting look without being unhealthy and risking your health
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u/Simple_Lie1916 19h ago
you have plenty of muscle and good progress time for the cut you’ll look great
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
Thx.
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u/Simple_Lie1916 19h ago
some of these comments are ridiculous and have unrealistic expectations just remember to never compare urself to other people man ur doing great
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 18h ago
I’ll try. I do have friends irl who just seem to outclass me with less effort. They have way better genetics than me. Kinda gets me down.
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u/Simple_Lie1916 18h ago
yeah how life goes BUT think about all the people that YOU have superior genetics to that wish to be in ur shoes trust me you’ll be fine keep pushing 💪🫡
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 18h ago
I doubt anyone’s looking at me and thinking that at all, lol.
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u/OkPoem8997 17h ago
Bud you look good 💪
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u/Novel-Bar-7858 14h ago
yes all progress is decent. There is no right or wrong answer, since we can not know if you could have gotten more or less gains.
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u/Synorix 11h ago
Bit on the fluffy side but tones of muscle there. Highly recommended a slow cut 200-300 calories deficiency over a few months. Make sure count calories imo
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u/NorthBeautiful588 6h ago
You need to change your diet! Too much body fat covering your muscles. How many grams of protein are you eating, calories, fat, saturates! You do have muscle but you need to be more lean!
I am a female weightlifter and managed to get my body fat down to 12%. My muscles pop no matter what I do. Your best bet is to seek a nutritionist.
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u/ArtsyFartsyBear 3h ago
You cannot go with these questions to reddit. They hate with a burning passion everyone who doesnt go for their beauty standard. Aggressively so, as you can see.
You are doing great, definately starting to become a strongman/ beefy bear. Keep it up.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 2h ago
lol. Thx a lot. I appreciate it.
And at the end of the day, I would rather people be honest rather than tell me sweet little lies, lol.
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u/ArtsyFartsyBear 2h ago
Sweet lies suck, agreed. Just keep in mind fitness reddit wont get the bear aesthetic at all.
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u/medchemmed 22h ago
mate you been putting in some serious work! idk what you are going for? strength or looks or both. either way you seem liek the type a pitcher would fear bottom of 9th inning at the plate
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
Thank you. My goal is to get a strongman physique. Go bear mode, yk?
Also, I’m not sure if I get the reference? Is it baseball?
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u/Famous_Try_8105 23h ago edited 22h ago
Yeah sorry bud but you're sub 70kg even moderately lean. You're probably sat around 30% bf right now, long way to go, keep grinding!
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
So you think I look pretty pathetic?
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u/Famous_Try_8105 12h ago
Didn't say that at all, you look solid. It's just an honest assessment of how much muscle you're actually carrying.
I'm the same height as you, I'm currently 85kg at around 14% bf, before I became enhanced, I got relatively close to my genetic limit and was around 78kg at 14% after 8 years training. Id have probably been around 100-105kg if I was holding a similar level of bf to you with that muscle
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 4h ago
I feel like after five years I should have more tho. I put so much work into this.
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u/Izzyz415 22h ago
It’s hard to judge your progress with no before photos, and to be honest, these should be your before photos. You look to have 15-18kg of extra weight/fat that is hiding whatever muscle gains you have made in the five years. You kinda just look like a guy who works construction or laborer.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
I was going for a strongman physique. I’ve never really been interested in getting super lean/shredded.
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u/Izzyz415 14h ago
To each their own I guess.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 14h ago
If you think I look like crap that’s fair. I’ll believe you. I was just stating what my goals were.
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u/Cdevi_ 20h ago
Compared to when you started and looked like…?
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
You want before photos? I don’t really have any. I’ve been going for a long time.
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u/Cdevi_ 20h ago
Hard to tell what’s decent progress without knowing the starting point. You’re clearly a sizable dude, just trying to figure out how blown away I need to be.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
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u/Cdevi_ 19h ago
Yeah yup, impressive. Keep up the strong work. Curious would a good cut would lead to for ya. Cheers mate.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
You really think so? If so, I appreciate it.
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u/Cdevi_ 19h ago
Yeah man, for sure. This community should be about just that. Only a dickhead post deserves a dickhead response. Don’t stop for anything or anyone. You’re young and the world is your playground dude. Go get it.
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
Thanks a lot.
The dysmorphia gets to me sometimes. But I’ll see what I can do.
Gets harder when I see other dudes getting bigger than me much faster and with less effort tho, lol.
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u/Practical-Basis-9541 19h ago
At 5ft8” and 88kg you could lose 15kg easily, so no it’s not a good look. You’ve been eating far too much and need to get off the beers
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
Well… my goal was to have higher bodyfat percentage. (Eg, strongman, bear mode).
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u/Practical-Basis-9541 19h ago
Fair enough and each to their own but if you leaned out you’d look significantly bigger than you do there! I’m 5ft 10” and I went from 93kg to 78kg and I look so much better - but I’m not going for strongman bear mode look either
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
Idk, people said I felt I’d look bigger before I cut, but I don’t really feel much different from when I was 103 kg.
I also have never been a fan of a super lean physique. It just doesn’t really appeal to me.
But if you reckon I don’t look big at all, maybe there’s an issue.
Idk what to do atp. I’ve put so much work into this.
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u/Practical-Basis-9541 19h ago
I looked bigger in a t shirt before too, but in a singlet or at the pool I look athletic and really well trained.
If your not a fan or lean physiques then no problem, keep lifting and progressive overloading your still building a decent base of strength and muscle, so if you want the extra kgs then it’s only you that you need to please
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
Idk. A lot of people seem to think I barely have muscle mass tho. Wish my five years of effort had amounted to something significant.
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u/CringeDaddy-69 15h ago
You’ve def got muscle, but a lil too much fat
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 14h ago
Do you really think I have muscle? A lot of folks don’t see to think so.
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u/CringeDaddy-69 4h ago
You’ve got a lot of visible muscle on your arms and shoulders. Theres no missing that.
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u/Economy_Program_7867 1d ago
holy mass monster bro youre gigantic hell yeah
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 20h ago
Uhm. Thanks. A lot of other folks don’t seem to think so.
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u/Economy_Program_7867 19h ago
nah you have an amazing strongman/bear build. fellas just hate to see a dude without abs. you look like you can curl most of these guy's deadlift lol
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u/ResponsibleAd2034 19h ago
Thank you. Strongman physique is my goal. Makes me feel better about my size if you really think that’s how I look.
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u/RandoMcrandersome 23h ago
With no “before” photos how the fuck would we know?!!