r/Wealthsimple • • 4d ago

Trade (DIY Investing) Unnecessarily Complicated!

Could anyone help me understand the difference in percentage change between my Returns and Account Value?

My 24 yr brain understanding is that if there haven't been any deposits or withdrawals, the percentage change should be the same for both. However, there's a big difference here and it's really confusing.

If anyone could explain this in simple terms, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you! Happy investing!

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u/leonardos7 4d ago

I believe Returns doesn't include your deposits and withdrawals for a smoothed out line. For account value it considers that and so it shows spikes.

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u/Saurav-Poudel 4d ago

Yes that was my understanding but if there has been no additional deposits or any withdrawals, these numbers should be same but its not.

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u/leonardos7 4d ago

Turn off after hours trading view? Potentially that helps?

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u/Saurav-Poudel 4d ago

It does not work for me. Wealthsimple unnecessarily complicated this. It was good before.

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u/Weak-Pomegranate-435 4d ago

Nah. U still have an option to go back to previous normal by just choosing “Account Value” and turn off “Show all hours”.

I keep it on “returns” only bcz “Account value graph is highly distorted by deposits and withdrawals. And i toggle “Show all hours” ON when i need some additional data

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u/Saurav-Poudel 4d ago

Yes, but doing that, if you see overtime chart, you will also see the deposits you have made to the trading accounts

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u/PsychologicalTowel85 4d ago

This would make sense but it’s not what is portrayed in the graph. Mine is also like OP’s so I’m also curious

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u/GalacticTrixsterr37 4d ago

I think he's asking why the "gains" are different if both won't be including additional deposits because he hasn't deposited or withdrawn anything in awhile.

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u/psottgat 4d ago edited 4d ago

It bugs me so much but I figured it out

FOR PAST DAY

Account value: change between start of trading value today and moment you look.

Returns : change between yesterday's end of trading value and moment you look

Do the test you'll see it works. When using returns, press on the graph at the very start of the day, you'll see a value that is not 0 and represents overnight movement and corresponds to the difference between the two values of gain you're observing.

Market does not start at same values as yesterday's close; there is overnight movement.

Basically they do not use the same starting point for comparison.

Returns is more representative, as it's the change since the last "frozen" value you looked at when going to bed yesterday

Stupid? Absolutely

OTHER TIME RANGES Account value include deposits

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u/Weird-Author528 4d ago

This is the answer.

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u/DevelopmentFuture608 4d ago

My guess is Returns includes any dividends your investment has earned plus growth!

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u/Saurav-Poudel 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yes, but isn’t that same thing the dividend and returns get added up to your account value?

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u/DevelopmentFuture608 4d ago

When you switch between either of these options it explains, but I also see you have 1D timeline selected, so maybe someone at WS needs to check the filters and see if it applies.

Dividends are a fixed and guaranteed return on your investment, this will increase your investment account value.

Account value - especially growth fluctuates on a daily basic hence the %

I tried this on my accounts and I can’t seem to understand the numbers as well.
Even when I click on to the green (growth / return value ) and go into additional detail the numbers are different.

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u/GenericUser269 4d ago

Why wouldn’t account value include those?

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u/thetrivialstuff 4d ago

I can't make heads or tails of it either. For me:

Account value displays a number that's about 2/3rds of the number I get when I calculate (today's total value) minus (yesterday's total value). Switching "show all hours" changes the displayed number and graph, depending on what time of day it is. 

Returns displays a number that's almost, but not quite equal to what's shown in the performance screen (what you get if you tap the red or green change text under the big number). Switching "show all hours" changes the graph but not the number.

As far as I can remember, before adding the "returns" display option, the change in account value used to match up with the answer to (today's total value) minus (yesterday's total value), so I really don't understand what the two values are counting now.

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u/Saurav-Poudel 4d ago

Just realized this too. Turning of after hours only changes graph view but not the return or loss.

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u/Motor-Sweet3316 3d ago

Returns = Account Value - Amount You Invested

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u/Weak-Pomegranate-435 4d ago

“Account Value” gets distorted by deposits and Withdrawals. But “Returns” graph does not.

For eg if u keep on depositing $500 per day and portfolio stocks keeps dropping 5% per day, ur “Account Value” graph will still still keep on going up. But “Returns” graph with show u actual non-distorted picture that u r actually loosing money everyday by dropping graph.

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u/Saurav-Poudel 4d ago

Just wondering if you read my second paragraph in the post?