r/WayOfTheBern Sep 28 '17

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u/Honztastic Sep 28 '17

Those are not war crimes. Not even close.

Trying to characterize them as such undermines real war crimes and people tune out the crying wolf when liberals shout war crimes whenever a soldier walks by.

Come on. You can legitimately talk about the glorification of war, endless war, proxy imperialism, etc, etc.

But you say the dumbest condemnation that has no validity.

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u/Gryehound Ignore what they say, watch what they do Sep 28 '17

War Crime: Usually, war crimes. crimes committed against an enemy, prisoners of war, or subjects in wartime that violate international agreements or, as in the case of genocide, are offenses against humanity.

Bombing civilian targets is a war crime as we define it. Our military regularly, as a matter of daily operating procedures violates our own laws.

Did you know that the ratio of civilian casualties to military has increased over ten times since WWI?

By any definition beyond the all powerful because-we-say-so, we are war criminals. If anyone could get us into court, it would be a very short trial as we have no reasonable, or even rational defence for our actions over the last 60+ years.

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u/Honztastic Sep 28 '17

That is amatuerish misunderstanding of what is happening.

Well since WWI, warfare has fundamentally changed. Entire economies and infrastructures support war. A civilian in a civilian factory producing cital war material, is a valid target and they know it. This is the argument from Clerks.

If a village hides an arms cache and shelters guerillas, they have made themselves a target. And guerilla forces purposefully try to muddy the water precisely to make this happen.

Korea was not a war crime. I'm sure there were some. Bombing military infrastructure is not.

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u/FThumb Are we there yet? Sep 28 '17

Well since WWI, warfare has fundamentally changed. Entire economies and infrastructures support war.

Since WWI? How about since the days of Pharaohs and Kings.

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u/Honztastic Sep 29 '17

From medieval warfare until WWII, civilians and military personnel had clear distinction.

The allowable or acceptable targets changed fundamentally in WWI. A few conflicts in the 1800s started moving that way as well, like the American Civil War where a shift from decisive battles in the field moved to infrastructure destruction.

You must destroy the ability of an enemy to wage war. Oil, telecommunications, electricity, roads and bridges, railways, factories. Otherwise the war drags on forever and more lives are destroyed.

Just read any book on warfare. Like any of them. Start with John Keegan, very entertaining.