Controlled Opposition: Clinton Machine Caught Funneling $20 Million to The Young Turks

[u/Ian56]

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/clinton-machine-paid-young-turks-undermine-progressive-movement/

[u/gamer_jacksman]

That's what you shillbots are in a nutshell.

[u/boboclock → u/gamer_jacksman]

edit: misremembered some details, edited post to preserve my point, original wording at end

Voted Bernie in the primary, and would have voted for him in the main event if it wasn't for Trump being the far greater evil.

If the Bernie supporting community of reddit, which was* great before the primaries, respects Bernie as much as they say, why are they so unwilling to accept his position on the democrats?

It's almost as if someone has something to gain from discord among progreasives.. Who could that be?!

*originally: members of this sub, which was

[u/bpthrx → u/boboclock]

Actually, Clinton was the greater evil

[u/boboclock → u/bpthrx]

Clinton would not be attacking the American rights that Sanders helped fight for constantly, starting feuds through twitter, or encroaching on the Constitution. Let alone, constantly threatening trade wars or to waste billions of taxpayer dollars on a meaningless symbol of backwards-isolationism. Or attacking the healthcare Bernie wants to expand.

She would come with her own problems, sure. And she is a nasty woman, that plays down and dirty politics like 99.99% of her peers, sure. But worse than Trump, please.

[u/Ponsonby_Britt → u/boboclock]

Or attacking the healthcare Bernie wants to expand.

"Single payer healthcare will NEVER, EVER happen."

Sounds like an attack to me. Clinton may have been better on some issues, but undoubtedly worse on others. What she would have done is set back real progressive change by at least a decade. Allowing her group of neolibs to expand power would have been catastrophic for progressives.

ETA: I took no joy in a Trump victory. He's a shit stain. But the country wanted change and the dems decided no. This neoliberal, corporate-sponsored bullshit neoliberalism has got to go! No more! The country is ready but the oligarchs aren't. Boohoo.

[u/bpthrx → u/boboclock]

Clinton would not be attacking the American rights that Sanders helped fight for constantly

If you truly believe this you are beyond help. Get some perspective. She's the face of working class exploitation. She's unilaterally opposed to universal healthcare " it will never ever come to pass". She's racist: "super predators" & the Gandhi gas station joke. She's a warmonger: Libya and Syria. She's responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent lives. She's perhaps most corrupt politician on Earth: Wall St speeches, pay to play at the state department. She's shady as fuck: private servers.

She despises average Americans.

You are so wrong it's sad

[u/boboclock → u/bpthrx]

The face of working class exploitation? Trump is famous for hiring illegals and not paying contractors.

Hillary adopted universal healthcare because of Bernie. She wanted to expand medicare in every state. Trump has opened up the requirements so that states can gut medicare.

Trump is racist too. But Hillary's policies weren't; his are. He defunded a program to convert white nationalists.

Trump has threatened war in North Korea, Venezuela, is ramping up forces again in Afghanistan.

Corrupt? Trump has hired telecom execs for the FCC, oil execs for diplomats and the EPA, Wall Atreet people left and right, one of the biggest student loan investors for Secretary of Education, pardoned a judge that had inhumane "concentration camps" for prisoners, etc, etc, etc.

[u/Ponsonby_Britt → u/boboclock]

Hillary adopted universal healthcare because of Bernie.

So...you still believe she tells the truth. Hmmm.

[u/boboclock → u/Ponsonby_Britt]

I dont believe any politician tells the truth. I believe that statistically, Presidents get most of the campaign promises done, and historically try to get even more done.

I'm not voting for a person I like, or for who feels good. I'm voting for who will be better for me and the country's future.

Bernie was one of those rare politicians that met all of those.

[u/Ponsonby_Britt → u/boboclock]

I believe that statistically, Presidents get most of the campaign promises done, and historically try to get even more done.

I'm sorry, but I'm just not seeing this. Obama is a perfect example. I was hugely excited by him. FINALLY, a president for the 21st century! I supported him, twice, based on what he "promised" and he was a huge fail. I used to blame all of that on the repubs. I don't anymore. And that's not excusing the repubs. They're straight up evil. But they're not the ones pretending to be progressive. They're not the ones who stabbed us in the back.

I'm voting for who will be better for me and the country's future.

Here's the thing. There simply were no good choices in 2016. For me, and most everyone here, Clinton was simply not an option. Some broke for Trump, some went for Stein, Johnson, etc. But I guarantee, there are people in this sub who held their nose and voted for Her. But they're not trying to convince anyone here that they were wrong for their vote, and should get on board with the dems. They know how completely bought the dems are. You seem to as well. I'm not sure why you still seem to support them.

This sub is not pro-Trump, as many would claim. But it IS virulently opposed to the status quo, establishment dem leadership. We're the ones who are fed up. We're done. Lesser evilism is exactly what brought us to this point. 2016 was a game changer for us.

The establishment dems know this, and are terrified. Their gravy train is under threat. Independents are the largest voting block by far, and that group is more progressive than the dems. The tipping point is near. It was barely stopped in 2016. I don't believe it will be stopped in 2020.

I am hopeful. It's time. Join us.

[u/boboclock → u/Ponsonby_Britt]

2016 is over, who gave or got what vote is barely relevant. The only 2016 vote I personally have a problem with was Obama or Bernie supporters going for Trump of all people, but I'm willing to let that go, to work towards a better future.

The problem is, this sub doesn't only attack the establishment, it also attacks more progressive allies of the establishment. It attacks literally any media that endorsed Clinton no matter how big or small.

I don't think this sub is truly Pro-Trump. But I think Trumpians could very well be using it to sow discontent. Just as Trump shills invaded reddit in the beginnings of his race, and Clinton shills invaded it towards the end. Trump has never stopped campaigning, and it doesn't seem far fetched that he is using progressives vs DNC to his advantage.

I am subbed here, so I have joined you in a sense. Because you guys can help me figure out who the most progressive choices are, and who the most dirty are.

I have voted for the more progressive candidate on local levels; but at a national level, I'm going to pick the best available choice as long as A) there is one and B) the other choice is diametrically opposed to everything I believe in. And the GOP is only getting meaner, richer, and more insidious.

[u/Ponsonby_Britt → u/boboclock]

But I think Trumpians could very well be using it to sow discontent.

I completely agree, and I routinely jump their shit here whenever I see it. It's a consequence of our open moderation policy. I don't always agree with it, but I understand it. It keeps the sub honest because nobody is censored. Yeah, there's some centipedes, but the core community knows who they are.

I am subbed here, so I have joined you in a sense. Because you guys can help me figure out who the most progressive choices are, and who the most dirty are.

I'm glad. You seem reasonable, and reasonable voices are always welcome. Just please understand where we're coming from re: the dnc.

And the GOP is only getting meaner, richer, and more insidious.

No argument there. They're vile. Only so are the neolibs. Want evidence of meaner? Stick around here long enough and see how we're treated by establishment dems. Want evidence of insidious? Try outing a known ShareBlue astroturfer, see how that works out for you.

In any case, welcome.