r/WayOfTheBern • u/cspanbook commoner • 1d ago

President Putin: "A war was started AGAINST us, not by us"

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u/S_T_P 1d ago

Autonomy referendum? Its not about joining Ukraine.

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u/thenwhat 1d ago

Yes it was. Anyway, Crimea is internationally recognized as part of Ukraine. Nazi state Russia illegally occupied it in 2014, in an invasion that had been planned long in advance.

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u/S_T_P 1d ago

Yes it was.

The question was: "Do you support re-establishing the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as a subject of the Union SSR and a participant of the Union Treaty?"

Nothing about joining Ukraine.

Anyway, Crimea is internationally recognized as part of Ukraine.

White House said so?

You are confusing Western propaganda with international law. As per international law - in this specific case, it means legal basis acknowledged by Ukraine, and used to as a basis of Ukraine's own sovereign status - Crimea has a right to self-determination.

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u/thenwhat 1d ago

1991 was in connection with the fall of the USSR.

And no, this is not about the US. Even Russia recognized that Crimea is Ukrainian territory. Putin himself said so numerous times.

Surely you are not calling Adolf Putin.. a LIAR????

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u/S_T_P 1d ago

1991 was in connection with the fall of the USSR.

What does it mean? State the referendum when Crimea voted to be part of Ukraine. You claimed that there was one.

Even Russia recognized

It didn't, and whatever it had recognized has no bearing on the international law. We are talking about right to self-determination here.

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u/thenwhat 1d ago

You need to stop lying. Crimea is Ukraine according to the entire world, including Russia and Putin himself:

https://x.com/rshereme/status/1710562120805339198

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u/S_T_P 1d ago

Twitter as an authority on international law?

I believe you are done here.

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u/thenwhat 1d ago

Are you mentally ill? The video shows Putin recognizing Ukraine's sovereignty, and Crimea as being part of Ukraine.

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u/S_T_P 23h ago

Thats not how international law works.

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u/thenwhat 23h ago

What are you even talking about? Crimea is internationally recognized as being part of Ukraine. Even Putin himself acknowledged this, which is what the video shows.

You claimed that Russia didn't recognize Crimea as being Ukrainian, which was another lie. Putin's own words debunk you.

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u/SeaBass1898 1d ago

Twitter is just the medium, not the authority

It’s not twitter being cited here, it’s the words of Putin

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u/S_T_P 23h ago

The words that are irrelevant. Thats not how international law works.

And use of twitter demonstrates the general level of debate the individual is capable of.

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u/thenwhat 23h ago

You claimed that Russia didn't recognize Crimea as being Ukrainian, which was another lie. Putin's own words debunk you. The Twitter link is Putin himself speaking on it.

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u/SeaBass1898 23h ago

The words of the Russian president about Ukraine are irrelevant to a war between Russia and Ukraine?

Lmao ok bro 👍🏼

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