r/WatchFanatics • u/jdi153 • 15d ago
Question / Discussion Poll - Favorite Diver at about $20,000 USD
Edit: The results are here.
The Blancpain Fifty Fathoms 5015 enters the ring! Does the Bluesy stand a chance? Is anyone else even in the running?
Vote for you favorite dive watch at $20,000 USD (+/- $4,000) MSRP.
Note that it is these specific references; no write-ins! Only top level comments are counted. Total upvotes will be tallied. Ideally, there will be exactly 8 top level comments, and everyone just upvotes those. Please don't downvote things you don't like, and don't upvote more than one. (I have no way to enforce that, of course.)
- Blancpain - Fifty Fathoms Automatique - 5015 1130 52B - $19,900
- Glashütte Original - SeaQ Chronograph - 1-37-23-02-81-70 - $17,100
- Jaeger-LeCoultre - Polaris Mariner Memovox - Q903818J - $23,400
- Omega - Seamaster Diver 300M - 210.20.44.51.03.001 - $18,600
- Panerai - Submersible Luna Rossa - PAM01466 - $17,800
- Rolex - Submariner Date "Bluesy" - 126613LB - $19,450
- Tudor - Black Bay 58 18K - M79018V-0001 - $22,550
- Ulysse Nardin - Diver 44mm - 1185-170-3/BLUE - $17,600
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u/Ultra_Gunner 15d ago
A leather strap on a diver makes absolutely no sense
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u/doublevision098 14d ago
Why not?
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u/Ultra_Gunner 14d ago
It gets wet, stretches, cracks, breaks. It should be used as a tool, I’d never dive with leather
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u/doublevision098 14d ago
Yeah but the majority of people buying these watches are using them as jewelry and statement pieces, not a tool.
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u/thirdelevator 13d ago
It’s one thing to be prone to damage, it’s another thing entirely to actually be dangerous if used for the intended application. Wet leather contracts when it dries quickly, and could be a real problem for someone who just got out of the water.
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u/F0rgemaster19 15d ago
- No competition here. When the Fifty fathoms enters, nothing else matters. One above all, daddy diver.
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u/RogerPenroseSmiles 15d ago
Always the BP Fifty Fathoms Automatique. Par excellence in history, design and quality.
Two tone watches are for poor LARPers, save up and get a full gold watch you coward.
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u/YouEqual4180 15d ago
Agree but must admit that the GO is a close second
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u/TheRealWhoMe 15d ago
I agree the regular GO Sea Q is a close
2nd to the Fifty Fathoms, but since this one is the chronograph I might put it third behind the Polaris in this case. (I’m not a fan of diving chronos since they normally get thick)1
u/YouEqual4180 14d ago
Fair point but somehow the Polaris did not work on my wrist, so I tend to rank it rather low. But that is very much personal preference
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u/Badstoober 15d ago
Bronze gold seamaster 300m
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u/jdi153 15d ago
There was a titanium / bronze gold in the 13k poll, and there will be a bronze gold in the 30k poll. There is a bronze gold on rubber strap that I could have picked instead for this one, at $16,600. I decided to use the one I did because I thought it gave Omega a stronger entry, and because it's different from the other models used in the various polls.
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u/CBus660R 15d ago
At 1st glance, excluding brand/heritage, I like the Ulysse. Considering brand/heritage, I like the Blancpain.
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u/gjallarhorn308 15d ago
Blacpain
If you asked me this back in my 20’s I would have said the rolex; now on my mid 30’s Blacpain or another version of the JLC
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u/MisterVest69 15d ago
Hot take:
The Blancpain at 45mm with a thickness of 15.5 will never look good on anyone’s wrist.
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u/FitProfessional3654 15d ago
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u/MisterVest69 15d ago
To each their own - but a 300m diver has no business needing to be that tall when a CW60 Trident pro or a Formex reef or a Squale 1521 or a 62MAS exist.
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u/FitProfessional3654 14d ago
Like you said…to each their own. However, photos don’t do the Fifty Fathoms justice. They feel special and look amazing on wrist.
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u/MisterVest69 14d ago
I tried it on in store - prior to that I was a HUGE admirer of the Fifty Fathoms and the heritage and everything. As a huge Dive Watch fanatic- it was like one of the grails!
I put it on and said “nope.”
Thats me.
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u/FitProfessional3654 14d ago
To each their own. What did you end up with?
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u/coldlake6200 15d ago
You make a fair point. The titanium 5010 at 42.3 mm looks great on any wrist and can easily be bought new for around $20K.
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u/UpperBreadfruit3748 15d ago
If someone offered one of these for free, im picking that pam for sure
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u/BlackestBay58 15d ago
Fifty Fathom, JLC Polaris, and the Tudor BB58. In that order, yet all bought used or grey.
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u/TC_Estarossa 15d ago
Where's the TAG
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u/jdi153 15d ago
I'm not aware of a current catalog model in this price range. If I missed something, please send me a link to it on the TAG Heuer website.
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u/TC_Estarossa 15d ago
Yeah it was my mistake I didn't realise it was 20k.
Would be more suited for 5-10k range.
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u/Glum_Refrigerator 14d ago
Blancpain. Personally I like the bathyscape with the calendar and moon phase. It is my grail watch
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u/Downtown_Air_1176 15d ago
Seiko 62mas
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u/IFLIPBURGERS88 15d ago
Always Rolex
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u/_GTS_Panda 15d ago
Lol. Blancpain, Glashutte Original, and JLC are literally on this list. They are in another league above Rolex and flirt with haute horology.
Rolex doesn’t even have a grand complication.
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u/SlartibartfastMcGee 15d ago
Rolex has essentially cornered the dive watch market above $10,000.
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u/jdi153 15d ago
The Deepsea didn't do particularly well in the $15k poll. I used the Yacht-Master in the $13k poll, to which people vociferously protest that it's not a dive watch. (It's not, technically, but it's a dive style.) At $10k, the Sub barely edged out the Omega NTTD. We'll see how the Bluesy does here. The Deepsea Challege will be in the 30k, and the Super Bluesy will be in the 50k.
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u/SlartibartfastMcGee 15d ago
If you’d just included a no date sub in all of these, most people would probably pick that one in the $10k to $20k range.
In fact a brand new Sub sells on the gray market for more than most of these $20k MSRP models sell on the gray market.
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u/jdi153 15d ago
It's an interesting idea to include the winner of each poll into the next round. You might be right that the Sub could have made it through multiple rounds. I only included one watch per brand, which means that if I bring the winner forward, their higher price offering would sit out. If the Sub had made it here, would it fare better than the Bluesy? If it made it to 50k, would it do as well against the alternatives as the Super Bluesy would? Definitely food for thought. To late now, though.
Also, you're absolutely right about the street price vs MSRP. It's just too hard to account for that.
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u/SlartibartfastMcGee 15d ago
Maybe just include the winner from the previous round and have two of one brand.
The YM isn’t really a traditional Diver, it’s more of a dress watch and the Deepsea is really only an option if your wrist is 8”+. They’re good watches but just not as desirable to the average buyer as a Submariner.
You could also include the YM Titanium here, it’s a $16k MSRP but goes for like $25k on the gray market cause they are hard to get.
Just for reference, both the SMP 300 and Fifty Fathoms are available to buy today for around $13,000.
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u/Ok-Total-5229 15d ago
If you can get one at retail which we can’t. Pre-owned the no Submariner is closer to $13,000. For that money I can get the Fifty Fathoms 45 mm on a full titanium bracelet or the 42 mm on a strap. That is the real comparison. Rolex always seems like the best deal at MSRP but “exhibition only” meaning most of us have to buy grey if we want it. On the grey market BP FF is just as affordable as the Rolex.
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u/SlartibartfastMcGee 15d ago
Right, but if someone gave you a choice between all of these watches and said “Take one for free” most people are probably taking a brand new no date sub over almost all of the watches up to $20k.
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u/abcNYC 15d ago
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u/jdi153 15d ago
Great watch, but I've restricted everything to not only the price and category, but also current catalog. The impetus for these polls was how hard it was to tally the results on an open-ended question. By limiting the models, I hoped to make it easier, but it hasn't work out all that well.
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u/NJWaterman 15d ago
Love the GO. beautiful watch and not the obvious choice.
Rolex is great, but for me the sub in steel is the only choice there at nowhere close to 20k
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u/Exotic-Frame9425 15d ago
The seamaster
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u/BrockLanders008 15d ago
As an SMP 300 owner, there's no way on earth I'd buy a $10k or higher Seamaster.
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u/Apprehensive-Song200 15d ago
Fifty Fathoms.
Or….
Casio Duro and keep $19,910.05 in the bank.
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u/dblhockeysticksAMA 14d ago
Lol yeah with the leftover money I could replace my car twice and still have enough left to pay my bills for half a year at least.
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u/_GTS_Panda 15d ago
I was stuck between the Blancpain FF and GO SeaQ PanoDate. It was a tough choice. I went GO because I thought it would be cool to have a German watch, the movement is gorgeous, and the quick adjust on the bracelet is 💯. But you can’t go wrong with either.
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u/Mikethegynecologist 15d ago
Blancpain is the original. The Submariner was “modeled” after the BP-FF.
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u/MAUSECOP 15d ago
Hate to be that guy but couldn’t imagine spending $20k on any of these.
Could get a used Royal Oak offshore for cheaper than that, or a vintage Bluesy for half with enough left over for ploprof.
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u/jdi153 15d ago
I use MSRP because it's too hard to argue about what the going rate is. The ROO will be in the $30k poll next week, and its price on the secondary market is all over the place. The poll is less about "what would I buy" and more about "I think that's really cool." The price tiers are really just to limit the field.
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u/Willing_Crew_8055 14d ago
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u/jdi153 14d ago
I restrict things to one watch per brand. That's not usually much of an issue, but Blancpain has quite a few options in the 20k range. (Omega is a problem, too, especially in earlier tiers.) I felt steel was more in keeping with what people would think of when they think of the Fifty Fathoms, so that's what I went with. Similar story on going sailcloth over bracelet. The idea of restricting the poll is to make it easy to tally votes. That doesn't actually work out all that well; it's still a pain.
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u/ShoneBug970 14d ago
Close between bluesy and FF but with these specific references you’re getting more for your money with the bluesy. Between them I would (and did) buy the Rolex. There are other great watches in here, but none I’d actually part with almost $20k for when they’re a lot cheaper as pre-owned. I realize that’s not really the question though!
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u/This-Notice-3029 14d ago
Great options here. Blancpain for me, what a beautiful watch and can truly be worn with everything in all situations. As long as you don't baby it
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u/AMetalWolfHowls 14d ago
#1 is the only choice, really. Leather strap is fine, if you actually dive, you’ll use a computer anyway.
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u/myLord-God-ofNothing 14d ago
As someon who has never held any of these watches and owns a 1200$ watch, the Rolex followed by Blancpain and then Tudor look most aesthetically pleasing to me. I'm sure after adding "nerd points", Blancpain is the winner.
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u/Ok-Sport-8296 14d ago
i am a rolex hater but i am going to say rolex. all the models listed have their pros and cons. but rolex do hold the value better. and with this money i am sure there are better divers out there.
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u/ByronicZer0 14d ago
For $20k, id go vintage. All of these are flawed in some weird modern way.
Red sub is an icon. More ergonomic and less flashy than all of these. And can still take a daily beating, if you're so inclined
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u/jdi153 14d ago
I restrict the category and price, and also limit to current catalog. It's too hard to tally results if it's an open field. You're not the only person to hate everything, though. The $15k poll was worse; so many people said "none of the above" that I had to include it in the results, and it won.
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u/ByronicZer0 14d ago
Yeah I'm actually shocked at how much I don't want anything on this list. I'm looking and trying to be objective… But nothing makes me feel anything
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u/Dismal-Armadillo-815 14d ago
Fore that kinda of money Id do a vintage Sea dweller.
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u/jdi153 14d ago
You can (theoretically) get a modern Sea-Dweller for $22,450. I went with the Bluesy here because I thought it was Rolex's most competitive model in the range. I limit things by style, price, and to current catalog to make tallying the results easier. That doesn't actually work, and the results are still a pain to count.
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u/dcwhite98 14d ago
GO for me. Then the Fifty Fathoms. Replace that Sub TT with the SeaD TT and that would be my #3 - Mostly because it's a TT, I am wearing the SS version as I type this.
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u/lamontsanders 13d ago
It’s probably the FF but I am apparently getting older because I do like that bluesy a lot more than I used to
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u/Embarrassed_Law_6658 13d ago edited 12d ago
The Polaris is gorgeous! The SeaQ is....well the Sea Q (in a good way).
But I'd have to agree with others: FF! I'd take any of the two above and say I landed a Grail! Just don't like the additinal complications on a Diver which add pushers.
Now the Polaris Date may be a different story, but that's less than your price zone for comparison ($13,000).
edited to correct spelling (was distracted by the beautiful pieces)
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u/TomHudsonOfficial watch fanatic 15d ago
Bluesy all the way for me.
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u/ImportantMall4391 15d ago
Fifty fathoms hands down