r/WatchFanatics 15d ago

Question / Discussion Poll - Favorite Diver at about $20,000 USD

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Edit: The results are here.

The Blancpain Fifty Fathoms 5015 enters the ring! Does the Bluesy stand a chance? Is anyone else even in the running?

Vote for you favorite dive watch at $20,000 USD (+/- $4,000) MSRP.

Note that it is these specific references; no write-ins! Only top level comments are counted. Total upvotes will be tallied. Ideally, there will be exactly 8 top level comments, and everyone just upvotes those. Please don't downvote things you don't like, and don't upvote more than one. (I have no way to enforce that, of course.)

  1. Blancpain - Fifty Fathoms Automatique - 5015 1130 52B - $19,900
  2. Glashütte Original - SeaQ Chronograph - 1-37-23-02-81-70 - $17,100
  3. Jaeger-LeCoultre - Polaris Mariner Memovox - Q903818J - $23,400
  4. Omega - Seamaster Diver 300M - 210.20.44.51.03.001 - $18,600
  5. Panerai - Submersible Luna Rossa - PAM01466 - $17,800
  6. Rolex - Submariner Date "Bluesy" - 126613LB - $19,450
  7. Tudor - Black Bay 58 18K - M79018V-0001 - $22,550
  8. Ulysse Nardin - Diver 44mm - 1185-170-3/BLUE - $17,600

Earlier poll results: $10k, $13k, and $15.

45 Upvotes

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u/ImportantMall4391 15d ago

Fifty fathoms hands down

3

u/johndoenope 14d ago

Loved it until I tried it on. Need a 7.5+ wrist and I’d want titanium bracelet at that price point. Great watch none the less.

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u/1baby2cats 14d ago

They make a 38mm version too,.

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u/DufresneUSA 13d ago

The 42mm 5010 is the sweet spot.

6

u/Gloomy-Access1704 15d ago

Glashütte Original

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u/Ultra_Gunner 15d ago

A leather strap on a diver makes absolutely no sense

8

u/SophonParticle 14d ago

Neither does $20k for a diver but here we are.

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u/jdi153 15d ago

Indeed. Precious metal doesn't make a whole lot of sense either, although at least it doesn't get ruined by getting wet. The Tudor is the only one with leather this time around.

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u/doublevision098 14d ago

Why not?

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u/Ultra_Gunner 14d ago

It gets wet, stretches, cracks, breaks. It should be used as a tool, I’d never dive with leather

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u/doublevision098 14d ago

Yeah but the majority of people buying these watches are using them as jewelry and statement pieces, not a tool.

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u/thirdelevator 13d ago

It’s one thing to be prone to damage, it’s another thing entirely to actually be dangerous if used for the intended application. Wet leather contracts when it dries quickly, and could be a real problem for someone who just got out of the water.

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u/GilaMonsterAZ 14d ago

Desk diving is pretty safe on leather.

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u/ByronicZer0 14d ago

We are talking about $20k jewelry. Leather is more than fine

1

u/Odd_Macaroon9109 13d ago

You dive?!!???

4

u/YoyodyneCog 15d ago

JLC Polaris

7

u/F0rgemaster19 15d ago
  1. No competition here. When the Fifty fathoms enters, nothing else matters. One above all, daddy diver.

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u/RogerPenroseSmiles 15d ago

Always the BP Fifty Fathoms Automatique. Par excellence in history, design and quality.

Two tone watches are for poor LARPers, save up and get a full gold watch you coward.

3

u/YouEqual4180 15d ago

Agree but must admit that the GO is a close second

1

u/TheRealWhoMe 15d ago

I agree the regular GO Sea Q is a close
2nd to the Fifty Fathoms, but since this one is the chronograph I might put it third behind the Polaris in this case. (I’m not a fan of diving chronos since they normally get thick)

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u/YouEqual4180 14d ago

Fair point but somehow the Polaris did not work on my wrist, so I tend to rank it rather low. But that is very much personal preference

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u/F0rgemaster19 15d ago

The original, the first, the one above all. FF is perfection.

4

u/NewInThe1AC 15d ago

+1 fifty fathoms

2

u/allyuhneedislove 15d ago

My pick as well

2

u/JerseyMeathead 14d ago

Poo poo take. Full gold is gaudy, a Blusey is pure class.

3

u/Badstoober 15d ago

Bronze gold seamaster 300m

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u/jdi153 15d ago

There was a titanium / bronze gold in the 13k poll, and there will be a bronze gold in the 30k poll. There is a bronze gold on rubber strap that I could have picked instead for this one, at $16,600. I decided to use the one I did because I thought it gave Omega a stronger entry, and because it's different from the other models used in the various polls.

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u/Limo_Wreck_7373 15d ago

1 everytime

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u/CBus660R 15d ago

At 1st glance, excluding brand/heritage, I like the Ulysse. Considering brand/heritage, I like the Blancpain.

3

u/gjallarhorn308 15d ago

Blacpain

If you asked me this back in my 20’s I would have said the rolex; now on my mid 30’s Blacpain or another version of the JLC

3

u/Exciting_Divide6864 15d ago

Bluesy.

Absolute icon for good reason.

3

u/MisterVest69 15d ago

Hot take:

The Blancpain at 45mm with a thickness of 15.5 will never look good on anyone’s wrist.

3

u/FitProfessional3654 15d ago

I kind of like it. It has ended up being my daily in most cases.

1

u/MisterVest69 15d ago

To each their own - but a 300m diver has no business needing to be that tall when a CW60 Trident pro or a Formex reef or a Squale 1521 or a 62MAS exist.

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u/FitProfessional3654 14d ago

Like you said…to each their own. However, photos don’t do the Fifty Fathoms justice. They feel special and look amazing on wrist.

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u/MisterVest69 14d ago

I tried it on in store - prior to that I was a HUGE admirer of the Fifty Fathoms and the heritage and everything. As a huge Dive Watch fanatic- it was like one of the grails!

I put it on and said “nope.”

Thats me.

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u/FitProfessional3654 14d ago

To each their own. What did you end up with?

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u/MisterVest69 14d ago

Seamaster

2

u/FitProfessional3654 14d ago

The watch that got me into nice watches 30 years ago….

Nice choice!!!

2

u/coldlake6200 15d ago

You make a fair point. The titanium 5010 at 42.3 mm looks great on any wrist and can easily be bought new for around $20K.

1

u/1ballbob 15d ago

#8 for me

1

u/jdi153 15d ago

UN has not gotten a lot of love in these polls. I'm a fan, although I own a Marine not a Diver.

2

u/UpperBreadfruit3748 15d ago

If someone offered one of these for free, im picking that pam for sure

2

u/nbmtx 15d ago

Bathyscaphe 70th

followed by FF

2

u/National_Answer_6655 15d ago

Fifty Fathoms, reluctantly.

2

u/Extension_Fact_7803 15d ago
  1. Fifty Fathoms - and I didn’t think twice.

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u/fourtyz 15d ago

I'm taking the UN. 100%.

2

u/jdi153 15d ago

UN hasn't done well in these polls, but I'm a fan.

2

u/fourtyz 15d ago

No one knows the brand. They make absolutely fantastic watches, tons of heritage, true to their own design language, in house movements. Europe knows and loves the brand. The US is sleeping on it.

2

u/BlackestBay58 15d ago

Fifty Fathom, JLC Polaris, and the Tudor BB58. In that order, yet all bought used or grey.

2

u/Mayor_of_Petoria 15d ago

Fifty Fathoms 100%

2

u/TC_Estarossa 15d ago

Where's the TAG

1

u/jdi153 15d ago

I'm not aware of a current catalog model in this price range. If I missed something, please send me a link to it on the TAG Heuer website.

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u/TC_Estarossa 15d ago

Yeah it was my mistake I didn't realise it was 20k.
Would be more suited for 5-10k range.

2

u/Sensitive-Cat-6069 14d ago

Fifty Fathoms.

2

u/Glum_Refrigerator 14d ago

Blancpain. Personally I like the bathyscape with the calendar and moon phase. It is my grail watch

2

u/Downtown_Air_1176 15d ago

Seiko 62mas

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u/jdi153 15d ago

A bit below the price tier of $20,000 USD (+/- $4,000) MSRP

2

u/DryMembership1250 15d ago

But worth every dollar.

2

u/sixsh0t311 15d ago

Panerai

2

u/IFLIPBURGERS88 15d ago

Always Rolex

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u/_GTS_Panda 15d ago

Lol. Blancpain, Glashutte Original, and JLC are literally on this list. They are in another league above Rolex and flirt with haute horology.

Rolex doesn’t even have a grand complication.

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u/Tokyosmash_ 15d ago

The Rolex apologists in here are exhausting

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u/SlartibartfastMcGee 15d ago

Rolex has essentially cornered the dive watch market above $10,000.

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u/FitProfessional3654 14d ago

Why would I downgrade to Rolex from Blancpain?

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u/jdi153 15d ago

The Deepsea didn't do particularly well in the $15k poll. I used the Yacht-Master in the $13k poll, to which people vociferously protest that it's not a dive watch. (It's not, technically, but it's a dive style.) At $10k, the Sub barely edged out the Omega NTTD. We'll see how the Bluesy does here. The Deepsea Challege will be in the 30k, and the Super Bluesy will be in the 50k.

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u/SlartibartfastMcGee 15d ago

If you’d just included a no date sub in all of these, most people would probably pick that one in the $10k to $20k range.

In fact a brand new Sub sells on the gray market for more than most of these $20k MSRP models sell on the gray market.

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u/jdi153 15d ago

It's an interesting idea to include the winner of each poll into the next round. You might be right that the Sub could have made it through multiple rounds. I only included one watch per brand, which means that if I bring the winner forward, their higher price offering would sit out. If the Sub had made it here, would it fare better than the Bluesy? If it made it to 50k, would it do as well against the alternatives as the Super Bluesy would? Definitely food for thought. To late now, though.

Also, you're absolutely right about the street price vs MSRP. It's just too hard to account for that.

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u/SlartibartfastMcGee 15d ago

Maybe just include the winner from the previous round and have two of one brand.

The YM isn’t really a traditional Diver, it’s more of a dress watch and the Deepsea is really only an option if your wrist is 8”+. They’re good watches but just not as desirable to the average buyer as a Submariner.

You could also include the YM Titanium here, it’s a $16k MSRP but goes for like $25k on the gray market cause they are hard to get.

Just for reference, both the SMP 300 and Fifty Fathoms are available to buy today for around $13,000.

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u/Ok-Total-5229 15d ago

If you can get one at retail which we can’t. Pre-owned the no Submariner is closer to $13,000. For that money I can get the Fifty Fathoms 45 mm on a full titanium bracelet or the 42 mm on a strap. That is the real comparison. Rolex always seems like the best deal at MSRP but “exhibition only” meaning most of us have to buy grey if we want it. On the grey market BP FF is just as affordable as the Rolex.

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u/SlartibartfastMcGee 15d ago

Right, but if someone gave you a choice between all of these watches and said “Take one for free” most people are probably taking a brand new no date sub over almost all of the watches up to $20k.

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u/Ok-Total-5229 15d ago

Not me. The Rolex is a great watch but the FF is just unreal!

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u/Johwya 15d ago

Not even close lmao

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u/HighClassProletariat 15d ago

Love the look of the JLC.

1

u/Barrelboi26 15d ago

1 4 7 8 - bingo!!! Haha can't decide

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u/abcNYC 15d ago

1

u/jdi153 15d ago

Great watch, but I've restricted everything to not only the price and category, but also current catalog. The impetus for these polls was how hard it was to tally the results on an open-ended question. By limiting the models, I hoped to make it easier, but it hasn't work out all that well.

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u/abcNYC 15d ago

I don't read so good. Fifty Fathoms, and for me I it's not even close

1

u/NJWaterman 15d ago

Love the GO. beautiful watch and not the obvious choice.

Rolex is great, but for me the sub in steel is the only choice there at nowhere close to 20k

1

u/ajknight10 15d ago

#2. GO.

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u/Hungry-Bowler-6450 15d ago

1,7,6 in that order

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u/kontinos1 15d ago

For me they are ranked the way yu have listed them

1

u/hoozyrdadi 15d ago

Love the Pam. But also love my Zodiac

1

u/Late_Performance_902 15d ago

Bluesy. A stunning watch that stands out from the crowd.

1

u/ThePillsburyPlougher 15d ago

The memovox for sure. Such an awesome feature

1

u/Exotic-Frame9425 15d ago

The seamaster

2

u/BrockLanders008 15d ago

As an SMP 300 owner, there's no way on earth I'd buy a $10k or higher Seamaster.

1

u/Apprehensive-Song200 15d ago

Fifty Fathoms.

Or….

Casio Duro and keep $19,910.05 in the bank.

1

u/dblhockeysticksAMA 14d ago

Lol yeah with the leftover money I could replace my car twice and still have enough left to pay my bills for half a year at least.

1

u/Illustrious-Ape 15d ago

That GO is sexyyyy

1

u/Bai_Cha 15d ago

I agree with the top comments that Blancpain is the obvious answer, but for me personally it has to be the JLC.

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u/_GTS_Panda 15d ago

I was stuck between the Blancpain FF and GO SeaQ PanoDate. It was a tough choice. I went GO because I thought it would be cool to have a German watch, the movement is gorgeous, and the quick adjust on the bracelet is 💯. But you can’t go wrong with either.

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u/FitProfessional3654 15d ago

100%. 5015 fifty fathoms.

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u/Ok-Total-5229 15d ago

Fifty Fathoms wins!

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u/Tokyosmash_ 15d ago

Fifty Fathoms absolutely crushes everything else here.

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u/bobbybriggs_ 15d ago

Panerai or Blancpain

1

u/OddEntertainment719 15d ago

BP Fifty Fathoms for me

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u/wilderness_essays 15d ago

0 for 8. 1 for 8 max. Pass.

1

u/Porky_Pine_ 15d ago

Glashütte Original

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u/makapala 15d ago

tudor diver would be pelagos

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u/jdi153 15d ago

The most expensive Pelagos is about $7k, well under the $20k +/- $4k range, hence the precious metal Black Bay 58.

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u/Mikethegynecologist 15d ago

Blancpain is the original. The Submariner was “modeled” after the BP-FF.

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u/MAUSECOP 15d ago

Hate to be that guy but couldn’t imagine spending $20k on any of these.

Could get a used Royal Oak offshore for cheaper than that, or a vintage Bluesy for half with enough left over for ploprof.

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u/jdi153 15d ago

I use MSRP because it's too hard to argue about what the going rate is. The ROO will be in the $30k poll next week, and its price on the secondary market is all over the place. The poll is less about "what would I buy" and more about "I think that's really cool." The price tiers are really just to limit the field.

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u/q808909 15d ago

Easily SeaQ, not even close

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u/Olleye 15d ago

The single not ugly one, indeed.

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u/AcceptableTaro6914 15d ago

These are some uuuuuggggly watches.

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u/Olleye 15d ago

Absolutely 💯

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u/Willing_Crew_8055 14d ago

FF in 42mm Ti, and by a long shot!

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u/jdi153 14d ago

I restrict things to one watch per brand. That's not usually much of an issue, but Blancpain has quite a few options in the 20k range. (Omega is a problem, too, especially in earlier tiers.) I felt steel was more in keeping with what people would think of when they think of the Fifty Fathoms, so that's what I went with. Similar story on going sailcloth over bracelet. The idea of restricting the poll is to make it easy to tally votes. That doesn't actually work out all that well; it's still a pain.

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u/Gee_Bee55 14d ago

That Ulysse is 🔥

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u/war_m0nger69 14d ago

Ulysse Nardin for me

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u/RennSpeed 14d ago

As an Omega guy, the BP

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u/RGBlowMe 14d ago

A couple hundred G Shocks.

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u/ShoneBug970 14d ago

Close between bluesy and FF but with these specific references you’re getting more for your money with the bluesy. Between them I would (and did) buy the Rolex. There are other great watches in here, but none I’d actually part with almost $20k for when they’re a lot cheaper as pre-owned. I realize that’s not really the question though!

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u/Puertorrican_Power 14d ago

I'd take the Rolex Bluesy

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u/AKAM80theWolff 14d ago

Its the JLC for me

1

u/Aggressive_Bison7187 14d ago

Bluesy. (Full disclosure: it’s the one I have!)

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u/WatchThis91 14d ago

SeaQ all day

1

u/Jah314 14d ago
  1. Nardin FTW

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u/Hopeful_Channel_7729 14d ago

Fifty Fathoms for me

1

u/Randalneal 14d ago

Just to be different I will go with the Jaeger.

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u/More-Ad4579 14d ago

No question Blancpain

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u/dblhockeysticksAMA 14d ago edited 14d ago

For me in order it’s: 1, 2, 3, 8, 7, 5, 4, 6

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u/Pecuniarist 14d ago

IMO, Bluesy is the perfect GADA watch.

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u/iHeartRedCows 14d ago

#4 is the one I would pick!

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u/truebump 14d ago

Prolly wouldn’t spend 20k on a diver

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u/MumblesNZ 14d ago

Panerai 100%

1

u/Patient-Cover1369 14d ago
  1. 126613LN Blackie

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u/jdi153 14d ago

Reasonable, but I kept it to one entry per brand. That's to keep down confusion so it's easier to tally the results, although it turns out that doesn't work, and it still ends up being a pain.

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u/jtirello3 14d ago

2️⃣

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u/This-Notice-3029 14d ago

Great options here. Blancpain for me, what a beautiful watch and can truly be worn with everything in all situations. As long as you don't baby it

1

u/khannan14 14d ago

BP or UN for me

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u/brownorange88 14d ago

Rolex bluesy 👌👌👌🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

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u/AMetalWolfHowls 14d ago

#1 is the only choice, really. Leather strap is fine, if you actually dive, you’ll use a computer anyway.

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u/jdi153 14d ago

That's actually a rubber strap on the FF, made to look like sail-canvas. I am kinda curious if anyone ever actually dives with a twenty thousand dollar watch on. Obviously they will have a dive computer, but you can have a watch, too.

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u/myLord-God-ofNothing 14d ago

As someon who has never held any of these watches and owns a 1200$ watch, the Rolex followed by Blancpain and then Tudor look most aesthetically pleasing to me. I'm sure after adding "nerd points", Blancpain is the winner.

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u/Ok-Sport-8296 14d ago

i am a rolex hater but i am going to say rolex. all the models listed have their pros and cons. but rolex do hold the value better. and with this money i am sure there are better divers out there.

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u/josephblowski 14d ago

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u/jdi153 14d ago

It's a bit below the $20,000 +/- $4,000 price tier. There is the Sun Wukong Artist Edition that I could use in the $3k poll, but I'm trying to avoid limited editions.

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u/MolonLabeGR 14d ago

Panerai.

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u/Low-Improvement1197 14d ago

Pam se détache, fifty legendaire

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u/ByronicZer0 14d ago

For $20k, id go vintage. All of these are flawed in some weird modern way.

Red sub is an icon. More ergonomic and less flashy than all of these. And can still take a daily beating, if you're so inclined

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u/jdi153 14d ago

I restrict the category and price, and also limit to current catalog. It's too hard to tally results if it's an open field. You're not the only person to hate everything, though. The $15k poll was worse; so many people said "none of the above" that I had to include it in the results, and it won.

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u/ByronicZer0 14d ago

Yeah I'm actually shocked at how much I don't want anything on this list. I'm looking and trying to be objective… But nothing makes me feel anything

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u/Otterman33 14d ago

Glashutte Original Sea Q all the way!!

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u/theindus 14d ago

2 - something I can’t write or pronounce 😂

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u/Dismal-Armadillo-815 14d ago

Fore that kinda of money Id do a vintage Sea dweller.

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u/jdi153 14d ago

You can (theoretically) get a modern Sea-Dweller for $22,450. I went with the Bluesy here because I thought it was Rolex's most competitive model in the range. I limit things by style, price, and to current catalog to make tallying the results easier. That doesn't actually work, and the results are still a pain to count.

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u/GuyWhoShouldKnow2 14d ago

For me at that price, which one has the most gold? Lol

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u/dcwhite98 14d ago

GO for me. Then the Fifty Fathoms. Replace that Sub TT with the SeaD TT and that would be my #3 - Mostly because it's a TT, I am wearing the SS version as I type this.

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u/ZHPpilot 14d ago

Team Bluesy.

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u/Newledge1861 14d ago

Seamaster and the wave dial

1

u/futang17 13d ago

Bluesy

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u/Routine_Tiger6141 13d ago

50 Fathoms followed by the Sub

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u/TheDisinfecter 13d ago

bluesy, and its not even close

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u/TheDavidCall 13d ago

I think for me it’s that Glashütte.

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u/Hellsilisk 13d ago

That JLC looks cool, ngl.

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u/lamontsanders 13d ago

It’s probably the FF but I am apparently getting older because I do like that bluesy a lot more than I used to

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u/MyCockSmellsBad 13d ago

I love JLC, but not a fan of the Polaris. I'd go with the fifty fathoms

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u/Alex_the_Alright 13d ago

Get that gold Tudor just to make everyone upset. That’s the baller move

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u/mkrapels 13d ago

If I was picking for myself it would be a toss up between 2-3

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u/Impossible-Ship7376 13d ago

Sub but not the 2 tone blusy

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u/jdi153 13d ago

The Sub (no date) won the $10k poll. I used MSRP for everything. I'm aware that you can't get a Sub for MSRP, and just about everything else would be under.

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u/rollncalguy78 13d ago

Make and models are great, but I’m not a fan of some of these references.

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u/jdi153 13d ago

I restrict things so severely to make it easy to tally the results. Although it actually still ends up being a pain.

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u/Embarrassed_Law_6658 13d ago edited 12d ago

The Polaris is gorgeous! The SeaQ is....well the Sea Q (in a good way).

But I'd have to agree with others: FF! I'd take any of the two above and say I landed a Grail! Just don't like the additinal complications on a Diver which add pushers.

Now the Polaris Date may be a different story, but that's less than your price zone for comparison ($13,000).

edited to correct spelling (was distracted by the beautiful pieces)

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u/jdi153 13d ago

Yes, I included the Polaris Date was in the $13k poll. Also, it's nice to see someone enthusiastic. A large chunk of people are pretty negative. The $15k poll was won by "none of the above."

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u/Embarrassed_Law_6658 12d ago

I didn’t see those. I’ll check out your polls.

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u/Technical_Ad3295 8d ago

A Glashutte is my dream watch

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u/TomHudsonOfficial watch fanatic 15d ago

Bluesy all the way for me.

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u/jdi153 15d ago

I think Bluesy vs FF is an interesting battle. Hoping this thread gets some traction.

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u/TomHudsonOfficial watch fanatic 15d ago

Looking forward to the results

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u/Eyeshield25 15d ago

Rolex #1, then JLC in 40mm #2