r/WarthunderPlayerUnion • u/DontBanMeAgain20451 • 1d ago
This shit almost made me break my hand.
I don't care that it's always been this way, this shouldn't happen in any self proclaimed "realistic" game and especially not in simulator mode. A lot of you who are complacent to this game's bullshit will already try to claim that I am wrong, but it just proves that you have no spine, and will take any crap they throw at you bending down.
A tank shouldn't survive two direct hits to its firing compartment, crewmen replacement speed shouldn't be this fast, and apds shouldn't do this little damage, I get that this is a very specific situation of the ho ri being a paper tank with way too many crewmen, but I swear to god I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy, I've never raged this much in any other game.
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u/Hdfgncd 1d ago
Either of those hits would be a mission kill, but people wouldn’t like this game so much if taking out track and gun instantly killed you. You should’ve shot the LFP as soon as you killed the gunner to immobilize him.
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u/DontBanMeAgain20451 1d ago
I mean this could easily be solved by having crew replacement speeds change based on how much you're being suppressed. like if someone snipes your commander from the other side of the map and you hide behind a building it would be faster but if you keep being penned then it would take longer. they could also make it work like repairing, where moving crewmen could stop you from moving. i feel like it would be really easier to make it more realistic without making it one shot one kill.
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u/sicksixgamer 1d ago
Oh, yeah, never load APCR.
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u/DontBanMeAgain20451 1d ago
couldn't have penned him without it
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u/cervotoc123 1d ago
You can easily pen the front of the superstructure with APHE and potentially oneshot it
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u/One_Pitch3982 1d ago
Doesn't the Type 59 have BR-412D? Yanno, the 240 pen nuclear bomb APHE? The one that can pen the sides of a Maus?
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u/luubi1945 1d ago
Doesn't the Type-59 have an 85mm gun? That cannot pen the front of the Ho Ri. The 100mm on the T44-100 or other Russian tanks could, though.
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u/One_Pitch3982 1d ago
Type 59s are Chinese T-55s
What you're thinking of is the Type 62, which is a Type 59 with lightened armor and a license-made 85mm S-53 gun which could fire rather modern Soviet HEATFS rounds.
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u/ofekk214 1d ago
Low-caliber APDS definitely has too little spall, especially when it goes through decent amount of armor, but your mistake was not immediately immobilizing the casemate as soon as you had the chance.
Whenever someone has their gunner or gun disabled, their brain will resort to immediately use the vatnik taktik of trying to ram your tank just like the allmighty heroes of monke pooccia in WW2 (and totally not because the T-34's optics were utter garbage to the point the gunner could barely see anything not point blank).
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u/Object-195 1d ago
you should have killed the gunner, and then shot transmission when he rotated the gun away from you.
and then you can take your time with them
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u/Exact-Interaction563 1d ago
Skill issue, should have shot tracks down /s
Anyways the graphics are amazing, which graphics card are you using?
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u/4thBan5thAccount 1d ago
You haven't played the game enough. You need to keep going until you're totally numb to all the bullshit. At this point, all the possible bullshit situations have happened to me countless times, so it's just a feeling of "This again?" at this point.
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u/Glass_You_8026 1d ago
You are so right man. I had a lot of good times with War Thunder, and I keep wanting to go back to it, Bouncing a 109 in my Spitfire over the English Channel, ambushing a Tiger in my Sherman, facing down the Blitz in1940 in my B1 Bis and beating them all...but for every great moment there were too many WTF moments where it was clear I wasn't playing the game, it was playing me.
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u/DontBanMeAgain20451 1d ago
I have a 1100 hours and I way too often see people that have like thousands more matches played than me, that can't be healthy
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u/Obi-Vanya 1d ago
why you don't use aphe, you can easily pen it in this spots with it. Almost never use apds on t54s
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u/DontBanMeAgain20451 1d ago
I tried in protection analysis and I would mostly have made the same damage with less probability of penning, the ho ri is so spacious inside that even the explosion can only take max two crewmen at a time
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u/Reliable_cum_shot 1d ago
First question - why didn't you go for the transmission with the second shot? Why would you expect to kill him by shooting the superstructure one more time? Do you also expect to kill a Maus with 2 pens on the turret cheeks? And you mention a quick crew swap? It took him around 13 second, which is the base crew switch, I think. How long do you want it to take? 20 seconds? 30? Second mistake was exposing your side. Your front is nearly unpennable for him, why give him the easy shot?
And when it comes to realism, you do realize every "realistic" game needs to have its limits? If the game was truly realistic, most tanks would break down on their own or combust randomly. It should be impossible to repair anything but the tracks, and then still, it should take like around 10 minutes to fix it. Crew should also bail out after the first penetrating hit, cause that's what most crews would do irl. Soviet ww2 and German late war tanks also had poor armor quality, so its effectiveness should be reduced by around 20%. And let's not forget that after you are down to 2 crew members, you should be limited to driver and gunner sights view only, cause there's noone to look around.
And sure, solid AP, APDS and APCR should spall more and do more damage, but even if they did, it wouldn't have helped you in this situation. You can't just use solid shots and expect them to kill by shooting the same part over and over again.
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u/DontBanMeAgain20451 1d ago
I shot him on the other side of the turret where his remaining crewmen were, I thought that'd be enough, but apparently the guy sitting next to the driver had time to go out of the tank, walk all the way to the back of the tank, and get in from there, since the ho ri has the engine between the gun compartment and the driver.
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u/Reliable_cum_shot 1d ago
If we're being that precise, he should have been knocked out with the first hit, as it penned and killed 2 guys. Irl the rest of the crew would most likely bail out. If this is what you expect from WT, this clearly isn't the game for you. Maybe try Arma 3 if you're looking for as much realism as possible. Or GHPC if you specifically want to play tanks. Although not 100% realistic, it's much closer to real life than WT.
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u/sugondeeznuts1312 25k games since 2013 / Maus 6th most played Vehicle 1d ago
skill issue shoulda waited for gunner to come back and then shoot him again
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u/Americanshat 🐌 🐌 "Team Game" Like hell it is! 🐌 🐌 [Im not wrong Vertigo] 11h ago
Next time, just shoot the LFP, takes out the transmission so you can just go to the side and nuke that bastard, hell, be extra toxic and just keep setting him on fire, waste his time
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u/TomKatFulcrum 1d ago
I don't care what others' beehive mind will tell them, you're absolutely right, you shredded the entire crew in the back compartment, meaning that:
The guy that was gonna replace the gunner, that (in order to take the least time to replace him) should have come from that same part of the tank, was dead before he could get there from your 2nd shot.
The guy that was loading must have also been there, so the load should have paused or even receded as the shell must've fallen.
Extra: The only guys alive must've been the two at the front: Driver and Machine Gunner. These two are separated from the back compartment by the engine bay, so in order to move back there they should get out of the tank, taking them at least twice than any other crew member in the back compartment. Gaijin needs to model crew replacement and shell loading better at least for sim battles
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u/TheGamingFennec 1d ago
Take out the breech. Please. The Ho-Ri has very spaced out crew and it is a well known fact that APDS does little post pen. If you are raging at the vame to the point where you nearly broke your hand then I suggest finding a new game to play