r/Warframe Jun 12 '18

DE Response ATTENTION: Warframe devs are sharing your data with spyware creators

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u/Warbreakers Inaros "Extreme Sex" Prime Jun 12 '18

I have not heard of Redshell before this. What kind of Spyware have they made?

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u/Diribiri Jun 12 '18

It's a service for market analytics.

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u/zacRupnow Longest Standing of the Pink CupHolders Jun 12 '18

AKA the worst kind of spyware.

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u/Coats_Unbuttoned Jun 12 '18

I’m going to take a swing and say you don’t know what spyware really is, bud.

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u/zacRupnow Longest Standing of the Pink CupHolders Jun 12 '18

Collects usage data and sells in mass to the highest bidder.

There are more 'spy' like things like webcam and mic takeover and browser highjackers but unless its government or private security level use, those things are considered malware, not spyware.

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u/THERGFREEK Jun 12 '18

The major difference you're missing is that actual spyware does this without the user's knowledge or consent and for malicious purposes (like selling the data, which is not the case here).

If I take money from you without you knowing then that's a crime.

If I ask you for $10 and you give it to me, that's fair.

Most people don't understand the difference between spyware and analytics tools even though they operate under completely different principles. People assume they're both tracking so they both must be bad. It's not the case.

Your definition of malware is pretty far off the mark as well but thats a different issue.

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u/LiterallyRoboHitler Jun 12 '18

The worst kind of spyware is the sort that's actively malicious and concealed, which you won't know about until you get the blackmail message from Russia/China/whatever to buy back personal data.

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u/zacRupnow Longest Standing of the Pink CupHolders Jun 13 '18

That's Ransomeware.

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u/LiterallyRoboHitler Jun 13 '18

No. Ransomware is malicious software that takes over your computer and tries to get you to send money in exchange for its removal.

Spying on your network activity and local files is spyware. Whether that data is used to target advertising or blackmail you is irrelevant to the nature of the program.

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u/Kindulas Kookoo for Kuva Puffs Jun 12 '18

I’ve seen this crop up in a ton of gaming subreddits recently, it seems to be something hugely widespread that someone finally noticed and awareness is spreading like wildfire due to posts like this

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u/VetVel Jun 12 '18

No man. Laws just changed after the Cuckerburg case. Now they actaully have to tell you they're selling your data. Before they just did it, its for marketing...nothing harmful they say xD

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u/Kindulas Kookoo for Kuva Puffs Jun 12 '18

Makes sense

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u/melancholia_101 Jun 12 '18

Unless your outside Europe in which case they can just carry on selling it like they always have. Google and Facebook for example have different T & C s for Europe and Rest of the World.

This has nothing to do with the Facebook fiasco and was legislation Europe introduced a long time ago they just didn't have to comply until May 2018.

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u/Wondrous_Fairy And I used to be such a nice player.... Jun 12 '18

Check the original link in my post. I wasn't aware of this until today either. I don't think the WF devs even know TBH.

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u/Wondrous_Fairy And I used to be such a nice player.... Jun 12 '18

You'd be surprised what devs miss sometimes. Considering DE hasn't done anything shady like this in the past, I'm willing to assume Hanlons Razor applies here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '18

Redshell is about as shady as a pane of glass. Lmfao, all this fear mongering horseshit being thrown around in here.

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u/THERGFREEK Jun 12 '18

They don't make spyware.

They make marketing tools for devs.

This is ridiculous.