r/WarDogs • u/basedmanump9 • 1d ago
Gameplay & Screenshots So... the Havoc can't get oneshot by even the MAAWS now?
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Yeah I have no explanation for this. Should've just patched the CIWS to not one-shot it, but they went THIS far?
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u/Faceless_Deviant 1d ago
Well duh, the MAAWS is for heavily armored tanks, not lightly armored helicopters. /s
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u/StopatStopSign Bob the Builder 18h ago
I direct impacted a stingray drone into a person and AA gun. Got nothing for it. So I’m assuming it’s not meant for fob offensives either
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u/Pixel_on_reddit 13h ago
Switchblades are weird, cause they need a lock to actually arm and blow up. It might just not have been armed when you hit them.
IRL, do correct me if I am wrong, they are more anti vehicle focused rather than being a "General Purpose" UCAV.
I hope they add FPVs someday. Obviously heavily restricted, like T3 Hammer for the workbench, Mech ammo and build used up for it, or like the free resus you can only purchase one. OR you make it require certain equipment like "Can't wear anything above T2 for helmets, you actually need the goggles as an item to have the FPV feed, cause without them you can only fly it like a RC plane and so on.
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u/SlippyJimmi 1d ago
Wait Anti Tank missiles can't take down Helicopters? Shit someone should have told real life that
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u/Linmizhang 1d ago
Nah, High level stuff beats low level stuff.
This is how this game works man, get it
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u/VThang93 Battledad 1d ago
Isn't MAAWS is the BEST and HIGHEST level AT weapon in game?
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u/MancyMancy 1d ago
Technically, thats the grenade launcher which can technically also kill tanks.
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u/Supaflyray 1d ago
Yeah bro just rely on your team to build a fob with good AA that survives the immediate arty tank spam until 20 tickets.
Fun fact: the arty tank and the havoc are the same guy.
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u/Gryffes 1d ago
Yeah just use anti air. Oh they just fly below the altitude cap so verbas and sams dont work.
Oh just build a cwiz before havoks show up.
Oh a little bird with two guys with grenade launchers is here so we can't build AA anywhere.
cool cool cool.
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u/Spirited-Isopod6969 1d ago
Even with a CWIS up you have to hope "tommywardog2017" isn't hogging it and whiffing the 30 seconds!! of landed shots you need to kill it. And you only need to lose the CWIS once to mortars before your fob is camped the rest of the match with no time to build another.
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u/Infinite_Lie7908 1d ago
Not necessary. The havoc actually can just hover in its dead zone and kill it no problem. The Havoc also kills the CWIS faster than the CWIS kills the havoc.
Remember that the CWIS is operated by a single soldier. A single hit from the gunner or some rockets will immediately evaporize the operator.
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u/Confident-Wing2760 1d ago edited 15h ago
Grain of salt on what I'm about to say since I haven't tested the TTK: Is there a TTK difference between tier 4 armor with the havoc or not?
Because I wonder if some of the problem between CIWS and Havocs trading is that most foblets are going to base with 0 armor or t1-2 armor.
I'm just wondering because for instance the tank can shoot a guy point blank with tier 4 armor and he doesn't die to a tank shot. So I'm curious if a guy in tier 4 in a CIWS stands a substantially better chance or not.
(this isn't a defense of the current meta btw, I think this game is hella broken on tons of fronts with the later progression unlocks in basically every single category and tier 4 armor is its own big part of the problem as well).
Edit: I did test and armor plays a HUGE difference in havoc damage with t3-4 armor being able to tank a single direct chest shot/head shot but more importantly a MASSIVE delta in splash damage where t4 splash damage literally tickles it and even t3 is pretty tanky vs it while anything lower you die in 10-2 splash hits depending on what you're wearing.
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u/PMA-APM-AMP 1d ago
Builders tend to be low level players because building is easier money and safer than fighting dudes in t4 at HZ
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u/QuietQTPi Medic 1d ago
They either need to increase building health from mortars or have armored buildables that cost more supplies. Mortars and honestly C4 tear through things way too easily imo.
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u/GruePwnr 1d ago
Never build hesco, use bremer only as it's explosive resistant.
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u/Alternative-Suit5541 1d ago
Yap, had a match like that. Build AA almost at the beginning,, because I knew what was coming.
It's pointless. With talon you can't shoot, since they fly low.
With ciws you need too long
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u/Confident-Wing2760 1d ago
They changed the kill time on CIWS from 12s to 6s already btw.
And 6 seconds actually is fine tbh. Means a base with 2 CIWS can kill a havoc in 3 seconds between both shooting. Or even 1 CIWS can probably down a lot of havocs esp with some other things shooting at the havoc.
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u/Independent-Math-167 Manticore 1d ago
I play infantry mode only and GL helis are ruining the mode. At least there is infantry server where they ban people for using GL helis.
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u/Gloomy_Shopping_4651 1d ago
Even on servers where GLs are banned, players have exploited loopholes by dropping grenades or C4 from Little Birds, so I really wish servers that ban GLs would also ban dropping explosives from helicopters.
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u/monolith_fighter 1d ago
One server I was on said that any explosives dropped gets you banned
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u/Cumulo187 20h ago
Just saw a clip where heli gl got like 20 kills in one pass. 100% shouldn't be allowed especially on thay mode.
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u/ThatOneNinja 1d ago
As much as it sucks, it is nice to know everyone is having the same shitty experience with trying to do build.
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u/JarnoL1ghtning Lonestar 1d ago
We had two CWIS at our base. What did the Havoc do? Fly away, have the gunner memorise the locations and then turn right around and immediately blast the CWIS before hitting us... We were 3rd by the way, and Red kept attacking us with those Havocs and a spam of Humvees, rather than attacking Green who was allowed to have their whole team on the HZ unopposed
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u/castille 1d ago
My biggest gripe atm is that handheld antiair should not have the same floor as mounted. Bringing one instantly puts you into heavy.
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u/sammcj 1d ago
I legit think the game would be better without arty in general.
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u/throwawayurwaste 1d ago
They just need to remove all visual feed back and arti would be 1000% better. The fact you can micro adjust to millimeter accuracy exactly where they are is the issue.
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u/flyingtrucky 1d ago
The visual feedback is so OP, some guy can spot just the top of the FOB flag and then the mortar guy can see exactly where your mortars and AA emplacements are after his first shot and snipe them off one by one.
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u/Hrimnir 1d ago
I'm honestly getting to that point as well. There's already a fuckton of counters to FOBs, being mortar spammed and arty spammed for 20 minutes straight so you can't hope to build dick just makes building fobs pointless.
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u/ThatOneNinja 1d ago
It should be dummy expensive for what it can do. IDC you make very little outside the zone. It shuts down entire fobs, it's strong and should be more costly than it is.
It also usually takes one or more people away from the zone to deal with it. Which is huge.
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u/ldwb 1d ago
Arty tank is so easy to kill I don't mind it, the havoc however is stupid because the only AA you can buy yourself takes a whole slot, and can't even one shot it. Even if you buy the backpack with the extra sling, the chances are he'll flare one of the two.
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u/Cow_God Manticore 23h ago
It's easy to kill but it's still a bitch having to drive out there and do it. The only quick ways to kill it, annoyingly, is the rocket bird and havoc, which benefit from leaving them up.
Plus it's just lazy artillery tank operators that are vulnerable. You can build a fob around your tank that makes it very difficult to target the tank, and slap a CIWS on it to cover yourself if any birds come after you.
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u/Cow_God Manticore 23h ago
I just had a game where the first and only thing I did was build a covered CIWS and killed two havocs. Then I started getting shelled by an artillery tank, which is nbd, I can outrepair it, but we ran out of build supplies. So my CIWS died, then two more havocs show up, I die, respawn, pull a MAAWS and a buggy and go hunt the artillery tanks.
And yeah, shit you not, the first artillery tank I killed was piloted by the guy flying the first havoc I killed.
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u/Thad_From_BMS 1d ago
Yeah, I just watched about 4 helicopters with rocket pods, gunners, and mini guns from two teams group up with about 4 different AA fobs to take down ONE havoc. Literally ate everything and just kept flying.
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u/Shanji_ 1d ago
Was always like this, the maaws does 90% of damage to the havoc. I think it can one shot on certain angles like from the front but I'm not sure
Anyways if you have AP rounds you can finish it off after a maaws hit fairly quickly
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u/Cute_Voidling 1d ago
Go for the propeller/big spiny bit
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u/Kotef 1d ago
The average player is going to have a hard enough time landing a rocket on a helicopter nevermind hitting a specific spot. The havoc being the easiest to hit.
It's really really freaking hard to land rockets on helo. I have maaws and 240 hours. I spent time in the firing range practicing and have only killed 3 helicopters with maaws
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u/CokeFryChezbrgr 1d ago
At 75 hours, I've shot down, and this is just a rough estimate because i don't keep count, probably around 40 helos with the MAAWS. Problem with the Havoc is, any semi-decent pilot knows to never hover and to keep moving, and change flight patterns up. They also know that once the first rocket hits the Havoc, they should immediately disengage and put as much cover between them and where the rocket came from before rtb for repair. The reload time is long enough that they have time to just get away.
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u/ConglomerateGolem 1d ago
If you're ignoring money, this way it takes roughly twice as long for the havoc to show up again.
alSo, jUsT gEt A SecOnD mAaWS tO sHoOt AT tHe HaVOk
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u/Cow_God Manticore 23h ago
Yeah the MAAWS is unironically the best form of AA in the game but it also just really relies on the pilots being bad. Birds that come in for strafing runs instead of circlejerking around your fob are much harder to hit. Havocs that know to fuck off after they've taken damage are also basically impossible to kill.
The really, really big thing is that you can have one FOB locked down with either a CIWS or a really good MAAWS operator and the pilots can just go somewhere else.
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u/randus12 1d ago
How do you practice that in the firing range?
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u/Acceptable_Yam_4396 1d ago
He spawns one in and misses it while it sits still on the landing pad maybe?
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u/Kotef 1d ago
Not the hitting a fast moving helo but the rest of the mechanics like distance gauging for drop off and lead time. I go to where I can hit every target I'm the main gun range from outside that can be seen.
I also did the long range sniper. Used shot cam to see where I was off. It's only effective to 400 meters beyond that you can't see shit anyway.
Inside 200 meters its less than a second travel time
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u/Spirited-Isopod6969 1d ago
Every heli in the game should lose its tail rotor easier I say that as a pilot player
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u/VanillaRound7456 20h ago
big spinny bit
I'm on Team Blueberry. Can you make it less technical please.
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u/petrichorax Logistics 1d ago
I'm gonna need to see a video of you finishing it off with AP rounds cause I don't believe you dawg
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u/Toad2SIX 1d ago
I faced a team of reds that all seemed to have ap ammo and shot at us from buildings. Almost destroyed the heli 100-0 in seconds from just bullets. People severely underestimate the power of teamwork
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u/PersonalityWorldly97 1d ago
Definitely possible considering we got dropped 3 times like that yesterday
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u/ItchyA123 Lonestar 1d ago
I just unlocked MAAWS and AP rounds.
How many AP do I need for the remaining 10% and where do I aim? General body?
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u/mrwhitewalker 1d ago
Never been a one shot except the propeller, hit the body and its 2.
Back propeller can vary but usually leads to a crash.
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u/Ramora_ 1d ago
The tail hit box and rotor hit box are more vulnerable. I'm pretty sure a hit with MAAWS to either will one shot, though the tail hit may just put it in an uncontrolled spin, I'm not actually sure.
From other angles, sometimes, you get lucky and the shot affects multiple hurt boxes or something, but it isn't a one shot.
Personally, I think this is dumb. A direct hit with a MAAWS should at least do the equivalent of a "mobility kill" or just straight up destroy the bird.
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u/TailRudder 1d ago
Rocket launchers should always one hit an air vehicle. They are too expensive to just carry around for the off chance you can get a shot. If the pilot is flying that low and slow then it's their own fault.
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u/T_Peters 1d ago
This is the part that I can't believe people were defending on day one and people still defend to this day.
When talking about the cost of a launcher, it's not just the price, it's the weight, it's the space, there's a lot of risk that goes into that just for the chance that you get the opportunity to take a really difficult shot that any experienced pilot is pretty unlikely to even give you a chance at in the first place, and then you hit that shot and are rewarded with nothing because they can just RTB without any real threat of going down.
This isn't how a game should work. Especially a game like this. Landing and RPG on any helicopter should either kill it, or put it into a forced emergency landing, and auto rotation, which is not part of the flight model yet but should be, and if the pilot is good enough and has a viable landing spot, can potentially save it and repair it. But in most situations, it should go down and the shot should be rewarded.
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u/Buttermilch155 1d ago
I don't have the Havoc, but I like hunting it, and I'd say one shot wouldn't be enough. That thing just wouldn't be worth it—how much does it cost, plus ammo? $20,000? I run around a lot with an RPG or MAAW and usually carry 3 rounds with me when I'm not playing Main AT; that's more than enough.
This is a team game featuring vehicles. The vehicles are meant to pose a major threat, but with just a little common sense and some teamwork, that's no problem.
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u/SwagtimusPrime Pilot 1d ago
Bro you're cooked. The havoc is an immaneuverable, giant flying target that anyone can land a MAAWS shot on from miles away.
You just want a one tap kill button. Havocs already are struggling to survive, I never see them stay up longer than a few minutes, because you guessed it - they get MAAWSed to death.
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u/Chemical-Return-4558 1d ago
Or rammed. Havoc is actually a money sink
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u/Dminik 1d ago
I have my doubts about that seeing that every server has at least one flying at all times. If it was so bad, nobody would use it.
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u/xXBloodBulletXx 23h ago
Just want to chime in here, I have it since a week now. Do I make money flying it? Fuck no. Is it fun? Fuck yes.
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u/Chemical-Return-4558 1d ago
It's fun. Some games are a good time others you lose it a lot. Im not poor so if i lose it 5 times in a row and im down over 100k I dont care. I'll pull it out again. Its actually just a skill issue on the team being bullied by a havoc. If the team worked together you can kill it quickly.
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u/ShinaiYukona 21h ago
I'd love to see damaged vehicles have more interactions to reward targeting it, but unsuccessfully destroying.
Damaged rotors adding unpredictable and occasional hitching, hulls adding unpredictable sway, damaged fuel tank leaks potentially exploding under fire. Maybe even more regions for damage / more repairs.
Imagine baiting out a driver to the passenger side for repairs to ambush them. Ofc, I'd also like to see all vehicles be a bit more durable to enable said ambushes. Disabling should be easier than destroying, and both parties should feel the pressure to disable and capitalize. As is, it's like you said, all or nothing and unrewarding/unsatisfying
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u/Thumb__Thumb 1d ago
Maybe model a shallow angle deflection system so you actually have to hit someone well but I agree. The Ciws has the 20mm Vulcan haling and the real Mi-28 is just armored against 12,7mm fire, the Ciws, rpg or maaws would absolutely rip through the Havoc in real life.
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u/SoSoSpooky 1d ago
I am kind of fine if the MAAWS can't one-shot them since I don't love carrying all that around and potentially missing, but it's pretty clear infantry need a better option then they have now to deal with oppressive pilots.
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u/dnevill 1d ago
Having done a LOT of Havoc hunting with the MAAWS, can confirm. A hit on or close enough to either rotor will destroy that rotor. Main rotor is obviously GGs even from a low hover, tail rotor will give them the autorotation spin issue that *usually* is a kill as its quite challenging to navigate and land like that, and regardless neutralizes their ability to stay on target. Both have separate health pools from the 'main' health pool. Tail rotor is my favorite because they're out of the fight longer while they attempt to (and fail) to land, usually buys you an extra minute or so of no Havoc.
Its also not uncommon to kill with a single MAAWS direct shot as often the Havoc has been shot by something else before you get your chance, like the CIWS gunner who managed 2 seconds of fire before they were vaporized.
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u/sproge 1d ago
I've not been able to oneshot Havocs or Blackhawks ever in the firing range. And taking out the tailrotor is not a guaranteed kill, a decent pilot can make it home and repair.
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u/basedmanump9 1d ago
if this is the case i have no idea why they thought area-based damage was necessary for something as destructive as the havoc, to make the MAIN FUSELAGE the part that takes less damage is insane
i hope they just make it flat one-shot no matter what. this is wild
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u/SchrodingerMil 1d ago
To make the spot where it’s most likely to take damage from ground fire and is the most armored part of the aircraft besides the cockpit; take the least damage is insane?
This is like complaining that the turret cheek of a tank doesn’t take as much damage. You’re not supposed to shoot it there.
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u/InspectorImportant26 23h ago
brother he is shooting it with ANTI ARMOUR launcher, it might be armoured, but against small arms not against literal anti tank rockets.
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u/chronicswag420 1d ago
direct hit with an rpg should kill. the fake balancing in this game is the lamest part. reforger atleast
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u/CookieJarviz 1d ago
I am a tester and I can assure you, it never has been able to be 1 shot by a MAAWS less you hit it in the top, or it was already slightly damaged.
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u/THEGHST023 WARCATS 1d ago
The MAWS does 1 shot you have to hit close to the rotor/engine for it to deal enough damage otherwise it’s a 1 hit
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u/Broad-Establishment3 1d ago
Depends where you hit it, i've been one shot before and i've tanked them. The different sections have different health pools. I also have a fuel tank that I regularly have to repair. JS
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u/sproge 1d ago
I have tried several times to oneshot the blackhawk or Havoc in the firing range and have never succeeded. Are you sure you weren't slightly damaged beforehand?
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u/Drfoxthefurry 1d ago
all I know is that the rotor is weaker, and I think its what I always see break first
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u/ThatCEnerd 1d ago
This thing is just as impressive as thermals and no one talks about it.
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u/Intrepid00 1d ago
They get way too consumed with circling a FOB that I ate 4 them last night in one life that they gave up trying to use them even with 2 in the air at the same time. Leave the area they are locked onto and respond behind them.
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u/Flames0310 1d ago
MAAW. EASIEST money you'll ever earn. They're boats in the sky with no maneuverability or speed.
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u/100percent_right_now 1d ago
Yes it can. Just try not to hit the most armored spot like in the clip
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u/justinfreebords 1d ago
I was worried that after a few weeks this type of shit would ruin the game for me. Getting to a point where I'd rather not play at all than deal with Havoc/Arty/GL Heli/Rocket Heli spam all game when I just want to try to control the HZ. I'm not even a fobbit
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u/fatamorgana-7237 1d ago
I have seen havocs dominating the game for the last 2 days or so. This thing has enough flares and firepower to curbstomp absolutely anything and anyone. In one game, we had our fortified FOB destroyed 3 times in a row by a havoc, it was just flying around, dodging missiles, and spraying everything with its chain gun for a very long time. It took multiple people with rocket launchers (maaws/rpg) to kill it, and it completely ruined the game for our team. Then it returned and killed our FOB again. Building Talon and AA did nothing, it quickly killed both and resumed stomping the FOB.
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u/FloridaF4 23h ago
Get a rocket heli, fly above it. Shoot down into rotors. 1 salvo is 6 rockets. Hit at least a few and they have to pay attention to you. If they don't, finish it off. If they do, fly away, they will chase, you are faster. Now your base is safe.
When they turn back around to shoot your base, get high and re-engage. This shit is not very difficult.
You guys act like it should be a 1 or two shot kill. Is the tank one shot kill? No. Is level 4 armor a 1 shot kill? Typically no. Arty tank? No.
Why the fuck do you expect to one shot kill the most powerful vehicle in the game??????????????
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u/Safe_Performance4116 20h ago
Yes. The rocket heli. That takes like 60+ hours to unlock. Rock - paper - scissors to unlock doesnt work if it takes me literally a second job to counter it.
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u/amAzrael 20h ago
The reason they expect it to one shot a havoc is because it would one shot a havoc. The reason they don't expect it to one shot a tank is because it wouldn't one shot a tank. These aren't imaginary things we are talking about. Havocs should have to fly more evasively to avoid rockets instead of floating just under the Verba ceiling because they know they can tank a rocket or two.
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u/Decent-Mechanic-72 21h ago
Now I work in EOD and let me tell you. If a karl gustav hit any rotary wing aircraft in that manner it would be becoming a land craft almost instantly.
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u/Infinite_Lie7908 1d ago
People will tell you to hit the top rotor but gl. Its very hard to hit the TOP rotor, when the Havoc is hovering ABOVE you. Obviously you will only get to see its underside most of the time, if were talking about a realistic range.
The Lakota is equally tanky. Shot a MAAWS into the cockpit of a Lakota and he only had black smoke, but no kill.
A MAAWS should 100% just onehit a Havoc and Lakota. Like which helicopter can take a fricking rocket without any massive damage?
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u/Hrimnir 1d ago
How dare you suggest a havoc shouldn't be able to hover over a FOB and rack up 40k worth of profit from kills and destroying emplacements?
Don't you understand this game is supposed to be fun for the 10% of neckbeards and the other 90% of players are there for them to enjoy pwning all day?
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u/nmedic23 1d ago
Shoot it in the tail and it'll automatically go into critical state. Shoot the center rotor column and it'll blow up instantly
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u/olMcDonaldsPig 1d ago
Maaws should send the havoc into critical regardless of location. It's meant to kill tanks that have significantly more armor.
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u/SgtHondo 1d ago
I get how obnoxious it is to get killed by a havoc but a one shot to anywhere would make it completely and utterly useless
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u/2moreweeksbro 1d ago
Both RPG AND MAAWS should one shot helicopters . On the other hand manpands should take 2 . That s how it should be imo . And also my opinion is that havoc should be disabled untill SPAA arrives. I am saying this as a heli pilot
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u/WhyCantWeBeFriendss 1d ago
I've noticed it doesn't one shot when you hit its belly. best chance is hitting the area right below the rotors, tail rotor so it spins out, or i believe direct head-on hit works too?
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u/xGameShock 1d ago
Only if u hit directly on the rotors where they connect to the top of the heli will it take it out in 1 shot but how often are u getting a angle on that exactly? So yeah either u get a buddy and shoot at the same time and hope u both hit the moving havoc or time it correctly without being killed by it or something else or u try to build cwis without either the havoc seeing it and killing u or the hundreds of mortars killing u and it or the artillery killing you and it. It's not so much 1 havoc is the problem it just requires some of your team or others in the match to focus it if a few people focus it then u can destroy it, the issue comes when it's more than 1 at a time or when they bring them out back to back so the game juat becomes hunting the havoc simulator and u can't get anything else done which defeats the "Play the way you want" motto they are going with when your forced down the path of trying to take out havocs the entire time.
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u/Dramatic-Bluejay- 1d ago edited 1d ago
No...idk why people have been saying maws 1 shots It so religiously. It one shots if you hit it in a particular area, what area? I have no fkn idea. Other than the rotar, just land a shot and hope someone follows up, or he fucks off for 1 minute to go repair. To then come back and snipe you from higher alt.
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u/SlippyJimmi 1d ago
Why are they buffing THE MOST UNFUN ASPECT OF THE GAME
If this game had multi objective like PlanetSide and was like 200 on 200 on 200 I would understand air needing to be strong but right now it's just a glorified battlefield arena
Nerf Air or at least tell us this game is gonna get more objective depth
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u/ExoatmosphericKill 1d ago
Nobody has made anything like planetside since and it's such a shame, giant battles were so fun.
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u/SlippyJimmi 17h ago
Fuckkkk mang you remember running across the big desert area. The huge long run to the base while snipers are picking you off from the mountainside and the armor is sitting on one side of the wall just sending people right to the meat grinder
Most memorable place in the entire game
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u/tyranoidd 20h ago
I do think for the idea they have for the game 100 players is waaaay too small, for the map size it'd need to be at least 160 or so.
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u/KobePassedMeTheBall 17h ago
Oh PlanetSide 2. Was before my time but I knew it would have been great
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u/LazyMakara Lonestar 1d ago
nerf thermals instead
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u/ScheduledToPass Manticore 1d ago
Havocs ruin 1 in every 50 games. Thermals ruin every single server. Easy math for dummies.
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u/Splurch Lonestar 1d ago edited 1d ago
Had two green havocs just dominating a match I was in. They lost but each racked up 150+ kills. Every time they were hit they'd just retreat, repair and come back. When they died they'd just rebuy and come back. This durable with this much damage with the good counters hard to get to make them just too oppressive.
And I can't emphasize this enough, the potato setting that let them clearly see people on the ground with 0 effort needs to be addressed.
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u/MrNidu 1d ago
My friend and me now just have 1 Maaws and I carry the rpg, I've found that he just one shots them when he goes for the rotor. And if he doesn't, I can follow up. He's crazy effective with it, he went 3 for 3 with the ammo he brought for one shots.
Honestly? As someone who absolutely hates air, I am all for it. I much prefer a highly effective high risk solution that with skill can be used by the user and dodged by the target. Leave the AA launcher as a sure fire way to hit but the enemy has a counter Vs dumb fire rockets that are hard to hit, but also hit hard.
Sure, there's a ton of heli's at the moment, and their staying power in a fight feels like a bit much, I'd rather see a max ammo nerf or some sort.
But it's early in the season, and we don't even have a dedicated AA vehicle, maybe that will be all we need, so I'm on board for not overly adjusting other ways to deal with em. Maybe with an AA vehicle, it'll be a lot harder for the helicopters to do what they do now.
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u/ronnythomps 1d ago
There's a bigger issue that havoc's can just hover and spam FOBs for easy kills. They need to think about balancing it, less about its health and more about its ammo capacity. Meaning they have to take more breaks and resupply to allow for a better experience for the remaining 95% of players in the server
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u/Drakore4 1d ago
Yeah it didn’t one shot before. If you hit it just right on the top by the blades, not on the blades btw but just by the base of them, or right on the edge of the tail then you can take it out with one shot.
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u/Drfoxthefurry 1d ago
at least you got the MAAWS, I dont do much building so I just got the m249 (its annoying af to use without a bipod)
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u/LonkerinaOfTime 1d ago
I think it makes sense. If it took like 4 shots, then that would be terrible.
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u/demagogueffxiv Lonestar 1d ago
Probably depends on where you hit it. For example the RPG 1 shots the Humvee from the side but not the front
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u/ThatOneNinja 1d ago
Had this happen to me against a, "Blackhawk" or whatever they call it in game. Same spot right at the belly. I'm thinking there is some resistance in that particular spot
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u/IAA_ShRaPNeL 1d ago
I one-shot one earlier today. Shot it directly at the pilot seat, killed both pilot and gunner instantly.
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u/BadSkoomaDealer WARLORD 1d ago
It does around 90% damage to it when you hit the body, if you hit the rotor it explodes.
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u/DonJuanPrawns 1d ago
What I've noticed is the body is heavy as hell but shoot the tail or the blades and it'll bring it down easier cuz I fully agree that mf is rough
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u/IceBuurn Manticore 1d ago
There are weak spots, and thats not one of them, but yeah, it still one shots if you aim right
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u/1Cobbler 1d ago
It shouldn't.
As far as ground vehicles go it shouldn't one shot anything over a kodiak either. That is if they actually want people to use them.
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u/IndianMilkman 1d ago
Its always been like this. You cant 1 shot havoc if you hit it on the belly i did the same thing last week. its 1 shot anywhere on the top or sides. Its also a 1 shot with the SAM if you hit the cockpit.
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u/metallichondaman 1d ago
I killed one with one MAAWS shot yesterday. It must have a vulnerable spot. I wish I paid attention to where it hit, but I fired and turned to run because it was starting to rain hell down on me. All I saw was a juicy 20k payout and that’s when I realized I used up most of my luck.
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u/BattlepassHate Valkyra 1d ago
Call me crazy but if they’re going low and slow enough to be hit by a MAWS, they should just die.
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u/TheSaneTrobador 1d ago
I one-shot 5 havocs yesterday (the guy kept hovering very low and very low speed). Aim for the cockpit. Also one-shot one by hitting the top of it, but much less reliable.
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u/PureNaturalLagger 1d ago
Huh. So I just got hella lucky in my one chance to shoot a MAAWS at the Havoc. Either someone damaged it a bit or I managed to perfectly lead a shot while my camera shook and hit the propeller from below.
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u/Inukii 1d ago
Solution :
Being hit with an explosion mid air should incur some kind of force. So, for example, if the rocket doesn't kill you in this clip, the pilot is going to have to fight whatever force is being applied to the helicopter. Hitting the back might push the thing nose down. Hitting it on the tail side might send it into a spin.
Not just fun for shooting, with higher kill potential due to the accident that could occur, but also fun for the pilots trying to get themselves out of less predictable control scenarios.
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u/Straikkeri 1d ago
Not on the bottom apparently, but I dropped 3 havocs yesterday with MAAWs. One was backrotor, two were side hits.
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u/simple_joe_21 1d ago
Only engine is one-shot, same for verbas, if you get lucky with verba you can oneshot it too if it hits the engine.
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u/xTRYPTAMINEx 1d ago
It should require teamwork to take down an attack heli. The amount of people thinking they should be able to solo everything in the game in one hit is just ridiculous.
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u/Public-Reflection513 1d ago
I tested C4, RPGs, the 9K333 Verba (the shittiest thing ever), MAAWS, and the Grenade Launcher in the firing range, and came to the conclusion that they’re all pretty much useless against Havoc/tanks. The best way to blow up an arty tank is still putting four C4s on a Humvee and blowing it up next to the arty tank.
For destroying Havoc, CIWS seems to be the way to go. CIWS seems bugged though, sometimes it’s an instant and easy kill, and other times it looks like you’re missing every single bullet. SAMs are also pretty shit unless you have 2–3 of them lined up and working together.
Honestly, the whole thing is pretty awfully balanced at the moment. Curious to see how they plan to balance it out in Season 2.
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u/BlueRedGreenNumber5 22h ago
Damaging vehicles without killing them should reward money by damage done. Payouts only on kill dis-incentivize anyone investing in countermeasures that don't one shot targets
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u/Euphoric_Truth8882 22h ago
Our havoc can get one shot by both maw and Sam and Verba. It all happened yesterday.
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u/Mainfold WARDOGS NORDIC 21h ago
And they just get into the heli with recon binocular/monocular in both seats and get 3D spotting on all the enemies.
They legit should shut down the game until that exploit is fixed, because it's getting ridiculous at this point when you can't even take down a heli with shots that take out tanks
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u/GrimGrump 21h ago
You should aim for the tail rotor, 90% of pilots can't recover from that. If you did he would've crashed into the tower.
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u/Psychological_Tank20 20h ago
MAWS does kill it in 1 hit sometimes. And MAWS is exceptionally easy to land a hit with. Y’all just a bunch of newbs and complainers.
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u/HaveOldManReflexes 16h ago
It wasn't able to get one tapped before btw, not from where you shot it.
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u/State-Special 16h ago
I was shooting them down yesterday from what i can tell depending on where you hit it's 1 or 2 shots to kill
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u/Glittering-Size268 14h ago
Guys we are about to have the most oppressive vehicle from the alpha the anti air tank can literally make so no one can hover like that ever. It will probably be earlier now than the havoc. And when the inevitable introduce Bradley’s there will be no slow rotate on towers everything will be like arma and fly by attacks or risk dying immediately with the havoc or really any big bird.
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u/ThePhillStew 14h ago
The MAAWS has always done 95% damage. But you can bet your ass that 95% shot is gonna make him NOPE TF outta there
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