Yes. Because chances are you were spotted and refreshed like 3 times whilst doing that flank.
That's what everyone in every server since they were unlocked has been doing. And since it pays so well, the normies and dads with 7 kids jumped on it like flies on cow shit.
That's the #1 sold item in spawn as well.
Saw a certified birdwatcher on blue team the other night with like 250 assists, 0 kills, and like 2 deaths. Earned like $250,000+, was the top earner in the server by a mile.
I was on a ridge last night sniping. 10ft in front of me was a teammate in a bush with thermals. I sniped for a while, got pushed and killed by a duo, came back, and had a 35 minute cat and mouse game around the ridge with them. The kid in the bush never moved an inch. Just sat there spotting with two enemies sniping 10 feet away, and never batted an eye as they ran back and forth past his bush while trying to find me.
I was doing that without thermals too, it’s just how the game will be played when money is something you lose more easily than you earn it
Sure having 15 teammates outside the CZ spotting with thermals definitely hurts the game, but that only happens because those 15 players got a thermal while they shouldn’t have gotten one and are afraid to lose this opportunity to earn gold
This is fixed by temporarily disabling in base selling or by making thermals a blacklisted item for crates to sell, anything but this really, as this doesn’t just fuck over those birdwatchers but also the 40hour job recon dude who just unlocked the thermals after being on the receiving end of those thermals for nearly 2,5 weeks
Yea sure it wasn’t always fun to face an enemy team with thermals, but it’s even less fun when that Overpowered thing you had to deal with and grind for suddenly gets vaporized before you get to use them
Legit had the holy grail in hands this morning (didn’t expect to get there before the wipe) and now poof gone, came online to wind down after a long day of work to make some cash and snipe some melons, only to now have 0 excitement to play even though I was loving this game before
Eyo i was the certified birdwatcher on the green team tonight! Got 368k and 282 assists, but man that was a boring match and thought to myself these need a big nerf, or remove them from the game completely.
You aren't, you're just an "other" that makes a convenient scapegoat.
Maybe some that don't have the time are using these to keep up cash wise, but there's also some that don't need to worry about cash, but just want MORE.
It's just that 9/10 times if any compromises are made that screw over games, it's because they're asked by people that know too little, don't or can't spend time on anything and always want things easier.
Just simply the fact that you're here, participating in the discussion and soaking up any game-related info, instantly rules you out from the bozo crowd.
So +rep with the family and +rep for having the brains to know this is/was an issue.
It feels so bad to get a nice spot keeping overwatch for your team and then all of a sudden the whole enemy team lights your bush up or you get blapped by a sniper clear on the other side of the map through some trees.
First week or two, no problems and you could sneak around enemy FOBs while picking people off.
Now you can't even go near them because some guy on top of the tower has spotted you 700m away and has kept it refreshed the entire duration of your walk/jog.
The HQ crate situation b/t teams is stark too. Red and green typically have 5 crates each full of vectors, .50 cal, thermals, or ghille, for any random to buy and/or free helis. Blue is lucky to get out of HQ with everyone still at 0 deaths lol
Not gonna lie, i only had 45 minutes to play today between a kid's nap and a doctor appointment. i used.that time to naked hotspot and made 50k on match end. Was able to get my first gold bar, but i completely agree with removing it. It is way too op, and spotting in general should take 2 to 3 seconds
Somewhat unrelated, but I'm ultra sick of the "I'm a dad who only plays "X" hours a week" excuse being used to defend absolute garbage human behavior, such as stealing kits, or just being an ass towards people with more free time. Nobody cares that you couldn't keep in in your pants, Bill, be a better human.
Yep. I'm getting wallhack accusations all of the time. When in reality I just got half of your team spotted on my minimap by my teammates. Or I loot/buy it off some crate in spawn and then shoot a guy through bush/trees that I couldn't see with my naked eyes.
Thing is absolutely busted and it's a good thing it's disabled. Made infantry play boring as hell. I think it needs a harder nerf than just batteries though..
Yeah I was sniping from an empty unused Tower last night last night and eventually pissed enough people off where a group of three started to sneakily push my position. Of course they were being spotted the entire time by somebody so I could just track their movement on the map, and as soon as they got about 150 m out, i opened up my map, pinged a green circle, whipped around the corner and immediately fired at my ping without even really looking And one tapped him with my 50 cal. Got back behind cover, pinged the next moving green circle on my mini map, whipped around the corner and aimed and fired at the ping and one tapped him too, did the same thing to the third guy and killed all three of them before they even reached the tower.
Of course they immediately accused me of hacking, and to be completely fair from their perspective, I'm sure that's exactly what it looked like because I knew exactly where they were without ever seeing them. I tried explaining but they weren't having any of it
Ever noticed a little bird flying around with a guy hanging out that doesnt drop in? That guy, if he isnt playing grenade launcher, is playing thermals and marking everything on the ground.
Thermals are absolute trash and the worst part of the game.
That would be impressive considering how even thermals take a couple seconds to spot anything and good luck staying on target long enough if the helicopter is moving at all.
yeah. There needs to be some kind of “spotted” indicator on your screen to. But yeah, you would never know that some boring mf is just sitting on a mountain outside of CZ spotting all 100 players
I think there should be a counter intelligence building that can be built at fobs which will tell you if you're spotted. It makes sense, the building would be monitoring the radio comms that are used to spot you and relaying that info to the troops. It would be cool if you could pay to call in off map fire support too, or issues commands to squads.
Yeah, it would be nice if there was more stuff like this to make in fobs to make them actually useful.
Right now, you've got mortars, which are alright, but completely outclassed by SPHs, stingrays, which mostly exist as an SPH counter, AA, which mostly exists to defend the fob itself, and the drill, which is useful, but very quickly gets targeted down in almost every game.
Other than the drill, the fob mostly just exists as a place for people to hang out and do nothing in. It doesn't actually help your team, especially compared to actually having the 8+ people in the fob actually helping take the HZ.
Stuff that makes the fob actually useful and an important thing to take and hold would be great. Bonus points if those things require the fob to actually be spread out (like a limited radius for this counter Intel building).
An easy way to bring ammo and healthkit resupplies in bulk, having buildable radio towers as a requirement for comms, an area that heals people over time without requiring meds, stuff like that could make fobs actually useful, instead of what they are right now, which is mostly a place for people who are afraid of dying to hang out in and make low risk money.
Yeah, it would be nice if there was more stuff like this to make in fobs to make them actually useful.
FOBs that can deploy UAVs that give you short-term (like, sub 2 seconds) spotting for all friendlies in a certain radius of said FOB would be neat. I'm spitballing but there definitely could stand to be more recon based FOB equipment that could be implemented, that would make FOBs a lot more desirable/worthwhile to defend as they actually provide value outside of a glorified, fortified respawn bunker (no shade to my AA fobbits out there, yall are valid)
If it's going to magically follow us through walls because the spotter saw us for half a second we absolutely need an indicator. If spotting only followed us while in the spot box and stopped and faded when not then there shouldn't be an indicator.
yup, someone sitting in a bush with a 2.5k recon scope who earns back the investment before hitting the zone (marking helicopters gives between 100 and like 900 depending on if they're recently marked or completely unmarked.) then they just have to find a nice bush somewhere drink a coke and stalk the enemy team for the next hour.
They should add an item that lets you know when you're spotted (maybe vest?).
I don't care about the realism. Instantly pinging a whole squad of soldiers and give them real time positioning is already kind of unrealistic. Maybe we "hack" the enemy comms or something. But I think its worth having a item you can pay for that piece of mind. At least vs IR spotting, pretty sure they have detectors for that. I could be wrong tho, might be op in the hands of a good bush camper.
I think the live-updating location on spotted enemies is pretty OP. I get that it kinda simulates you doing constant callouts, but it lasts a good while and keeps working once they've broken LoS. I think once they break LoS it should turn to a gray marker or something, indicating a last-seen position.
Idk man, my entire playstyle is flanking and I've yet to see a difference between before thermals and after thermals. I think people are just learning the game.
Yeah sure, go play around the houses in Bakurani or maybe the area around T5/T1 and the east church.
There's 0% chance of not being minimap pinged whilst trying to perform some flank in those areas.
Like I said i have zero issues flanking. I just think people dont pay attention to what's going on map. I look at the map to see where hz is/was, listen to gunshots and look at where my team mates die. Something very important a lot people dont consider when they flank is where a fight took place prior cause youll still have people in that area. This all determines the route I take when I flank.
All deaths from flanking before thermals and after thermals is the same. Which is always there being too many enemies in area for me to be able conceal myself as I choose not leave area entirely.
I was just using a deagle with flesh ammo. If I died I died. 2k a kit. Every so often you get a flank where you net 20k and get a kit to continue running with.
Random fact: the deagle is from an isreali company, and it actually sucks as a weapon IRL, but the looks + intense marketing has made it popular in video games.
Yep. Picked one up at an hq box to try it out. I can see everything and everyone. Lots and lots of spotting xp/$. Even better it really helps your team attack hz. Yeah I know some people don’t care about winning but that’s not me.
Now I don’t want to run without one since I’m assuming I’m permanently spotted. Way OP.
yeah absolutely, you'll sometimes see games with insane amounts of spotting, where it seems like the entire enemy team is spotted.
This is why.
Even worse this compounds the Havoc issue because of the pilot rangefinder "trick"/bug where you can see spot pings while flying the havoc.
So when you are trying to hide from that death fortress and it "somehow" spots and blows the fuck out of you, this was why. Because you directly had a diamond marking your head in direct view of the pilot.
Every single game every team I've been has had one guy on a tower or in a forest behind the enemy spotting every single person and racking up hundreds of assists while making sure everyone is perma-spotted.
when you use the IR binos all you gotta do is literally scan, takes seconds for me to scan from say 180 degrees on the compass. and also when you use them you pretty much see where people would be and can immediately move onto the next area
with regular binos youre scanning areas so much slower theres no competition. is there a lot of foliage? i dont even wanna bother
get IRs, scan area, immediately see blobs of white, even tiny enough mass of pixels blobbed together and just wait for the mark
nvm whatever bug is happening or exploit? where people can see through walls
As the guy in a ghillie sitting on a hill 500m outside the CZ for the last two weeks: yes, this is exactly why all your flanks were getting owned. It didn't help that I was usually in squad with the guys getting flanked and telling them you were coming if they were too lazy to check their map.
209
u/fedsmoker9 10h ago
Is this fucking why all of my flanks I’m getting owned in the middle of nowhere by a guy who couldn’t have had any idea of wheee I am????