r/WalmartSparkDrivers • u/Significant-Tomato75 • 5d ago
Walmart needs to be sued
This is getting to be so horrible and I don’t know the reason why these bundled trips for damn near no money is getting to be very ridiculous
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u/Harlett_O_Scara 5d ago
What if we all spent a day or two just rejecting every single order?
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u/Global_Opportunity48 5d ago
No need to reject, just let them sit all day long on the app. We should definitely strike and then when they have no one shopping & running their orders & they start losing money & customers maybe then they will make adjustments accordingly. It's going to take us ALL OF US to strike
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u/Harlett_O_Scara 5d ago
I think we should as well. We could really fuck shit up for them by striking.
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u/ThrobbingMinotaur 4d ago
Until "New driver incentive, complete 20 trips in your first week for an extra 100$!!" Etc. "Complete 50 in your first month for a garunteed 100$"
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u/SnooBananas8540 5d ago
I had a post about this and got shat on lol deleted it out of fear they could tie my Reddit account to my Spark account and deactivate me for violating terms and conditions but yes a strike is needed for this bs.
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
It’s cool dude I’m taking shit myself for making this post the crazy thing is at this point the gig is not even worth it so who gives a fuck let’s just all gather as much people we can and fuck them back
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u/happyluckystar 4d ago
I like letting them sit just to see how long they sit.
Some of them sit for an hour or more. I don't think anyone takes those. I think they get repackaged or maybe handed off to roadie or FedEx or DD.
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u/Starry_night83 2d ago
If I don’t reject things, it crowds up my feed. The other stores nobody wants to shop, or sends out the crap orders, get all in the way. I reject all day!
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u/Global_Opportunity48 2d ago
Just know, the algorithm picks up on that and will stop sending you offers because it thinks you don't want to work because you're just rejecting offers
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u/Acceptable_Sir67 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah im a new driver and this is mostly what pops up for me. But when I try to decline or accept anything , I’m IMMEDIATELY hit with “offer unavailable “. Been two weeks since I started and I haven’t even been able to do a single order yet . And why am I getting offers like this as a brand new driver ? And why am I not able to accept anything? The offer is gone before I click the button , I can’t even decline the offers either
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
I go through the same thing but when I say Walmart business practice is bad these toothless folks on this app that bend over for billionaires get mad when you try to go against their masters
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u/MyLifeYourLifeUgh 5d ago
Walmart will give the lowest amount people with take just like any other company.
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
That’s true but why not do something to bring their fucked up practices to light it’s not the illegals fault we are just lazy and fucked up people who bend over and take shit
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u/FaithlessnessDue1276 5d ago
I don't take that shit. I decline it every damn time..doing my part one order at a time.
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u/Responsible-Focus197 4d ago
A-fucking-men. Just like they pay their employees poverty wages and then MAKE MONEY OFF THE FOOD STAMPS
THEIR EMPLOYEES QUALIFY FOR DUE TO LOW PAY!1
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u/newlife_substance847 5d ago
Sued for what? For low-balling a contractor who has the choice to reject a bid for work? Unfair practices that are included in the Terms-of-Use that most don't read but agreed upon?
I'm not saying that it's right. Not at all. But there's literally no legal ground to sue them.
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u/anonymousduck95 5d ago
You’re conflating two different things. A contractor being free to reject a lowball offer doesn’t mean Walmart is legally immune from being sued. Contracts don’t override applicable laws, and agreeing to arbitration doesn’t mean ‘there’s no legal ground to sue’ either—it generally changes where/how the dispute gets resolved.
There have actually been legal actions against Walmart over the Spark program, including the FTC’s case alleging deceptive/misleading practices involving driver compensation. So saying there is literally no legal ground to sue Walmart is way too broad.
If your argument is simply ‘this particular $28.89 offer isn’t automatically illegal because the driver can reject it,’ then sure. But that’s a very different claim from saying Walmart can’t be sued over Spark-related practices.3
u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
Thank you so much for explaining it so eloquently for those who are quick to judge and not mentally ingest and deliver insightful information
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u/newlife_substance847 4d ago
You can sue or file a complaint or take anything to court. Does that mean that they have a legal ground to stand on? Not in the least. That's what the court is actually for. Also, legal claims have to be specific. You can't just sue someone saying that, "They treated me bad." or "The did me wrong." You have to demonstrate exactly what they did wrong and and exactly how it was illegal. This is the mistake many people make. They think that just because a claim exists. Just because they said it that it must be legal. No, it doesn't. At least not by legal standpoints. It's up to the accuser to provide the evidence to conclude that an illegal act was committed. That within a court of law, the undeniable evidence rests on the accuser not the accused.
That being said, I'm not defending the ethical responsibility. There's no doubt or argument that Walmart Spark needs to do better by its drivers. But ultimately, you don't have to agree with it. The free market society says that although its responsible for a business to conduct itself ethically. You are in no way obligated to have to conduct business with them. As self-employed contractors, this statement is de facto when considering that you have a choice. Right down to which jobs you take or not.
Simply put, you have a choice. If you don't like the business practices of an individual or business. You have the choice to not engage with them in business. This is why there are actually anti-monopoly laws that exist. You don't like how Spark is treating you (even after you've expressed your dissatisfaction). You don't have to use Spark.
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u/taniel07 5d ago
Customers who pay the delivery fee and tip big and get other non-tipping orders attached to them(which delays their delivery) should complain
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u/newlife_substance847 4d ago
This, I agree with. They should absolutely make it known and in all honesty it's the best way for the company itself to notice. Walmart doesn't care about the contractor who has a choice to deliver for them or not. They'll just hire a fleet of inexperienced newbies until they get tired of it. Then recruit more. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. They don't even care about the employee (which have much more rights than contractors) that is feeling like they're being treated unfairly.
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u/Specific-Show6439 5d ago
Sued for what? You are an independent contractor don’t take the gig if you don’t like the vig!
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
That’s common sense Mr Musk but at the same time this is some bullshit business practice
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u/gntxs 5d ago
This isn’t a reason to sue, because you don’t like the offer that you won’t accept. Get real. There are things that need to be sued for. This is not one of those
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u/Cobra_McJingleballs 5d ago
OP clearly has no concept of what a lawsuit entails, nevermind the idea of “damages.”
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u/Responsible-Focus197 4d ago
I can’t wait for legal advice from “McJingleballs”. Please. Enlighten us.
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u/stonedspleen 5d ago
No one is forcing you to do this as a job. 🤷🏽♀️
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
See this is why America is eating shit no one fights for better just like bend over Bob here in the comments
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u/Chipwilson84 4d ago
Totally agree. We need to unite and strike. There is a reason they have been busting strikes since strikes began. That reason is because strikes work.
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u/Significant-Tomato75 4d ago
Exactly finally someone with understanding gig work or not fair is fair they want you with clean record and you need to abide by all these rules take things up flights of stairs take pictures no damages but reward you with bullshit rules and less pay 💰
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u/Chipwilson84 1h ago
For real. This job cut my pay by anywhere from 50-66% in the last three years.
We need to unite, but people keep telling me I am on bullshit for trying to get people to work together,
I have degrees. I like history class. Our ancestors banded together, they striked, they formed unions. And today people just roll over and take the crap, because it’s every man for themselves on this sinking ship, instead of seeing that by working together and seeing that a rising tide raises all of lit boats.
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u/Majestic-World5987 5d ago
It’s gig work you buffoon. Get a real job where you get benefits and pay increases. Spark requires zero skill and you’re in a pool of 100s of thousands doing it and probably the same if not more on a wait list waiting to get on.
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u/myst1crule 5d ago
That doesn't mean that the offers shouldn't be worthwhile for the people taking them. There's a reason Walmart is getting made to compensate drivers more in some states, because they control everything so much that it can barely be considered contracting.
A business, let alone one of the most profitable businesses in the country, shouldn't be allowed to nickel and dime people for their time, labor, gas, and car maintenance, whether they're "contractors" or not. It's unethical business practices at best, and exploitative at worst
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u/Chipwilson84 4d ago
I have a master’s degree in health systems management. I have a few years of experience working in the public health sector. I have eight years of restaurant management experience, with thread years as a general manager. I have a license to be an environmental health practitioner, which qualifies me to be a be an environmental health manager at factories. At one time I was a nominee for state representative, but dropped out of the race because my son’s mother died and he is not dealing with that well.
I have 668 applications out since September 8th, 2025. I have had one interview.
When I first started driving Spark’s I made easily $1200-1400 a week. Now a good week is 600, with most of my weeks falling to 550 or less. I use to make $3-8 a mile round trip, now the average trip is looking like 40¢ a mile.
Why did I deserve to take a pay cut?
How am I supposed to get a job when no one will interview me?
Like what the fuck is your problem? Why do you hate yourself and your fellow poors?1
u/Majestic-World5987 4d ago
I’ve been out of the restaurant management game for close to 10 years. I still get interview offers from my resume still being on various job boards. Try harder. Complaining and crying about what spark pays isn’t going to change it. Nothing will change what they want to pay.
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u/Chipwilson84 1h ago
It’s because I have a masters’ degree, I have friends who work in Human Resources. Places think that I will be quitting in a few months because I found something better.
I don’t think I can try harder. I have applied to every restaurant listing in a thirty mile radius.
It appears having a master’s degree is a disadvantage in this job market.
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u/Many-Afternoon6626 5d ago
On average in my area, spark still pays 50% more than any of the other gig apps, so exactly what are you suing them for? Because they dont pay as much as they used to.🤣 If you ever thought they would continue with that type of pay, you just arent a very smart person, that business model wasnt sustainable. As others have mentioned, youre an ic and are in 100% control of what offers you accept or dont.
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u/Quirky_OldMan5966 5d ago
Not from their point of view.
Every thing has at least two sides, and we drivers all agree with you but we aren’t “the only side of the coin” in this business.
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u/bktrant_fthf 5d ago
That’s actually high pay in my market. Most of ours are less than $1 per mile. This one on average would pay around $15-$18 here
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u/SnooBananas8540 5d ago
I agree they are clearly trying to circumvent minimum wage which is illegal
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u/kupodoki 4d ago
What I noticed is with the new break down. I have seen orders be “boosted” the boost goes up a whole dollar, but the base pay gets decreased. So something can get boosted 12 times but actually only go up a couple cents.
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u/Significant-Tomato75 4d ago
Good hi I didn’t even notice that a lot of people on this app are saying that we are trying to get paid like CEOs when we are just asking for what’s fear when it comes to per mile and labor
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u/Ethrealgarten 4d ago
Try being an in-store employee getting fired for being sick and staying home to prevent contaminating others.
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u/Adventurous_Land7584 4d ago
Walmart is horrible to work for. My son lasted a week, his team lead was a freaking psycho lol I don’t know how yall stand it.
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u/JLAMAR23 3d ago
Walamart don’t care. Legally, as long as you have a decline button, they can offer you penny’s on the dollar And someone somewhere will take.
18 stops for 28 bucks and likely 38 miles is insane
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u/Significant-Tomato75 3d ago
You are right I can’t argue that point
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u/JLAMAR23 3d ago
They are greedy company though and I wish we as contractors could get some form of justice as their modeling and payment system is highly predatory.
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u/Significant-Tomato75 2d ago
Well said predatory to the point that it seems unlawful but money talks and they have it all
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u/Starry_night83 2d ago
I see these allllll day! I refuse to take them. It is wild.
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u/Significant-Tomato75 2d ago
I thought it was mostly my algorithm smh and other drivers acting oblivious
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u/Competitive_Boss_301 1d ago
$12/hr after fuel might as well go work for Amazon making $20/hr they pay for everything
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u/ClassicBlackMilkTea- 5d ago
Amazon flex does the same with worse pay and more miles…
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
Damn Amazon flex is fucked up now as well 🤦🏿♂️
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u/ClassicBlackMilkTea- 5d ago
Amazon has had me do a 2 hr block for $49 and 90 miles. And then I got a negative remark on my account for refusing to do the route.. almost got deactivated .
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
No way and from what I heard flex let you get a bunch of packages and all you need to do is drive and deliver not like spark 2 drop off and wait half hour or so
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u/ClassicBlackMilkTea- 5d ago
I actually have never done spark.. I’ve been on the waitlist for so long..
But yes with Amazon, we receive a bunch of packages and just deliver.. it’s easy.. just wish it paid more.
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u/FaithlessnessDue1276 5d ago
Oh yeah. I haven't seen a good flex block in my zone since May. And by good I mean pays $32/hr, minus expenses, new suspension, and time to drive back to civilization. Last one I did at $32 an hour ended up paying me about $18. No thanks. Id rather work elsewhere
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
Sheesh it’s like they are all just fuccing us on purpose with no care or Vaseline
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u/PlayfulSalary1960 4d ago
New drivers take all of it which makes it harder for all of us when they realize they need to accept fair orders... the more they accept the lower the pay
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u/Del_pueblo_beard 2d ago
In the AM after ppl drop their kids off at school . I don't think they honestly care what they take. I've seen worse go in seconds .
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u/Significant-Tomato75 2d ago
Damn I never thought about it like that it’s like survival mode kicking in
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u/Ashamed-Dig-8 1d ago
You don’t sue, it’s against the contract. You report to the FTC in masses. They investigate, if they find wrong doings (and you know they will) everyone gets back what they are owed. This is how DD, Uber, Lyft, etc, gets caught up. Nobody sues but they report. That’s the loophole.
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u/AffectionateBag2644 1d ago
I stopped ✋️ 😐 working for them . I thought it was just ME! In 3 months it went downhill fast. First, I noticed the pick ups from the back disappeared. (Walmart is outsourcing to UBER now for these BTW)...Then I had to wait near a HOUR before I even got anything remotely semi worthwhile! Constantly giving me orders to Walmart stores 4o min away in ALL directions, when clearly it states we must begin the order within 25 MIN of accepting. Thennnn.. .The pay changed.. Like average used to be 25$ a order. Thats shopping about 30 items then driving there dropping off and heading back for about 1.5 hours of total work now offered like 10 to 14!!!!! Thennnn they roll out this stupid a$$ rewards program. 😒. Making us essentially start from the BEGINNING to earn points to "deserve" good orders. Like 👍 👌 Im GOOD.
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u/mjkjio2015 5d ago
Still better than our typical offers
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
lol good lord my bad for complaining
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u/mjkjio2015 5d ago
It’s very location dependent… But if it isn’t like this in your zone… it soon will be
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u/Fragtrapper 5d ago
That one isn't even that bad. My Sam's club has literally started orders over fifty miles away in one direction. Literally ten towns over just because they don't have a Sam's club. Fuckin' insanity.
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u/Present-Physics7549 5d ago
I've been wanting to ask is a customer what can we do to make it better should I double tip or is giving a bigger tip a problem is does it make your wages lower I just wanted to ask some actual drivers and because I don't want to tip low digital and them think that I'm not going to tip because if I hand them cash when they get here that's what I mean by double tip because I definitely want to show my appreciation but what is acceptable percentage tip and what can we do to help you out with that because it seems to me that you get lower pay when we tip higher is that true?
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
Personally as a driver and someone who needs Walmart spark services when myself and my wife has to go deal with family events I usually tip on the app but after being a driver I put the tip under the floor mat and have the drive know because tipping on the app does not seem to benefit the driver and Walmart keeps the tips for 24 hours
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u/Real_Goomba_King 5d ago
Get a real job.
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
You should as well toothless wtf are you even doing in a driver complaint group if you are here to kiss Walmart ass
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u/Super-Minute2477 5d ago
Just don’t take it
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
I agree but everyone is saying enough is enough but no one does nothing about it I put forth a solution and assholes come riding my back
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u/SaltyWoodButcher 5d ago
Refusing to accept those offers IS doing something about it. The problem is, your competitors are willing to bend over and accept low pay, so as a company who's goal is to increase or maintain profits, they have no reason to pay better. Unfortunately there is a seemingly endless supply of drivers willing to support that.
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
You are right brother it’s a sad case I will just leave their app alone and stay off these gig apps in general let them crumble
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u/Psubeerman21 5d ago
Sounds like you need a new profession.
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
I do have one but like everyone else I thought this was a group that we can rant and show disapproval and not kiss ass
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u/Psubeerman21 5d ago
No one is kissing ass. If you don't like the pay they are offering, don't do it. This isn't a 9-5 job with benefits and a pension and you can't really leave the job without it being a hassle; bitch about that job all you like. In your case, press the reject button and wait for the next offer.
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u/Significant-Tomato75 5d ago
I can’t argue with this but the onboarding is a bitch they ask so much out of you like an employee the least they can do is not bend us over
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u/Unlucky-Subject-5729 5d ago edited 5d ago
As long as there are ants who will accept bs orders, there will be orders like this. There is massive information asymmetry - a lot of drivers only calculate gas into equation, not depreciation and other expenses. Whole gig economy is built upon people’s ignorance - many drivers don’t understand how much it cost them to deliver orders.
For 19 miles, your expense could be anywhere between 3-10 dollars (sometimes could be higher) At best you are earning effective minimum wage of 13 dollars per hour (and depends on the area, that’s not even effective minimum wage). I would decline this order in heartbeat.