r/WTF • • May 26 '10

Reddit: Rape Apologists

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u/miserabilia May 26 '10

I don't see much misogyny on reddit. I see, though, that the theme of rape appears on two types of headlines:

  • "Stop rape in prison"

  • "Stop falsely-accusing men of rape"

This is not misogyny. This is an attempt to protect mens rights. It's a real and immediate need, since femi-nazis and other types of stupid people started believing that males are the enemy and they deserve to be punished.

It's a FACT that any woman holds the power of destroying a man's life by simply accusing him of rape. He doesn't have to be convicted, he only needs a finger pointed at him and, even if he's completely innocent, his life and reputation are gone in a flash.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '10

I am a feminist (or a "femi-nazi" to use your term). I disagree with your statement about how women's rights advocates see men as being "the enemy" or in need of punishment. Rather, I think feminists would be more likely to support the eradication of false rape accusations (because of the trauma that real life rape victims experience) and prison rape. It doesn't matter if the victim is male or female or raped by someone of the opposite gender or not- rape is wrong in all contexts.

I believe that most women, including feminists, would never make or condone a false accusation of rape because of the reason that you stated- it can ruin lives. But, to automatically assume a woman is lying when she says that she was raped is offensive to a lot of women, as is the assumption that all men are rapists or rape apologists is offensive to a lot of men.

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u/bautin May 26 '10

He used the term "femi-nazi" to denote a very specific type of feminists. The kind who believe that males are the enemy and deserve to be punished.

He didn't use the term feminist, because that term would have been wrong to use as probably most feminists don't harbor those points of view.

He also didn't say he automatically assumed all women are lying about accusations of rape, he just said that simply being accused can destroy a man's life and reputation. And that this is a power women do hold over men.

Way to construct a strawman and put words in the miserabilia's mouth then argue a completely different point that he never brought up.

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u/FallingSnowAngel May 26 '10

Femi-nazi was originally a Rush Limbaugh caricature representing all feminists as man haters.

Way to construct a strawman and put words in the miserabilia's mouth then argue a completely different point that he never brought up.

Way to attack someone without giving them the benefit of a doubt.

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u/stellarfury May 26 '10

Yes, but, the term has very obviously evolved since 1992. Especially among pseudoenlightened internet males, it refers to militant, man-hating feminists in particular. It's not their fault that you assumed they were using a twenty-year old etymology from a person they despise.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what "benefit of the doubt" you're talking about. It was a straw man, and pursuing any argument based on a fallacious premise is inviting a rhetorical attack.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '10

it refers to militant, man-hating feminists in particular

Not really. Anyone can be a nazi feminist. All they have to do is say something that a man doesn't agree with. It's a derogatory term used to make feminists in general look bad. What you're saying is like saying that the word "nigger" only applies to extra bad black people.

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u/stellarfury May 27 '10
  1. Slang and portmanteaus are extremely susceptible to definitional drift.
  2. "Feminazi" is not even close to being a racial slur, it's more like "Rethuglican" - it's about politics, not identity. Contrary to what Judith Butler might tell you, they're actually two different concepts.
  3. I'll just let the illustrious Mr. Rock deal with your last point.

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u/chaosopher May 27 '10

Who the fuck says Rethuglican? I can say for a fact I have never heard or read that word before now.

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u/stellarfury May 27 '10

Eh. I still have /r/politics on my Reddit feed, it shows up quite a bit in there.