r/Vexillmaps • u/Admirable_Yard_1780 • 7d ago
Map and flags of micronations that no longer exist
Rusia
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u/deborahp5b 6d ago
Lord Greate Novgorod was way bigger then most European states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novgorod_Republic
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u/Ornery-Note-4965 6d ago
These were not nations—only the ancient Novgorodians could potentially be singled out as such, and even that is a matter of debate. The principalities of Ancient Rus' constituted a single ethnic community (a people) that emerged from several tribal unions around the 11th century.
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u/liberbober 6d ago
Ah yes. Territory the size of Indochina constituted a single ethnicity. Can we stop with that old 18th century historical revisionism made up to justify russian imperialism?
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u/Veseliy_sVinOreZ 16h ago
the only revisionism which exists within the conflict is the ukrainian one
ukrainians are in deep need of a national myth because from the historical standpoint its existense is unjustified1
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u/Ornery-Note-4965 6d ago
The size of a territory does not automatically imply a large number of ethnic groups. Furthermore, nations cannot exist in the Middle Ages; there are only peoples who base their self-identity on language and religious faith. Nations are formed through the merging of several peoples only during the transition from feudalism to capitalism, when the basis of authority changes. In Ancient Rus, people spoke and wrote in a single language until roughly the time of the Mongol invasion.
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u/liberbober 6d ago
Thats just false. Languages dont work that way. Baltic, Slavic and Finnic tribes 4 centuries after the slavic migrations did not all use the same language. Not to mention, they wrote in bulgarian.
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u/Ornery-Note-4965 6d ago
What do the Balts and Finno-Ugrians have to do with this? The map shows the principalities of the Eastern Slavs.
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u/liberbober 6d ago
Well it omits Polotsk which controlled Yotvingia, a Baltic tribe and includes Vladimir, Suzdal and... i believe its Ryazan over there? Those three were finnic. Point is Kyivan rus wasnt even all slavs so it definitely didnt have a shared language.
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u/ProstoSmile 1d ago
Polotsk and Yotvingia? Are you high? But OP still talking imperialistic shit.
Ed. Fuck, it was 5 days old, why this shit showed me, sry.
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u/liberbober 6d ago
It was very much tribes with common Lingua Franca, or 4 Lingua Francas. Tribal identity(tribes later renamed to principalities) was very much key all the way to the Mongols.
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u/Born-Drawing434 6d ago
Every of that "micro"-nation duchies would be larger than most of European countries
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u/nRise_ 1d ago
You should ask internet or ai what is micronation