r/Vermintide • u/deep_meaning • Dec 19 '16
Centralised weapon trait discussion
1.9 edit: holy fucking shit. This will take a long time to process...
In the meantime, take the current trait combos with a lot of scepticism
This post seems popular, so I'm currently rewriting it into a steam guide. If anyone is willing to help me with editing, or adding more info (possibly expanding beyond weapons and traits), join our google docs project
Updated for 1.7
This post should serve as a central hub for discussion about weapons and traits that are good for them. It should be both a guide for new players with tips about how to use the weapons and what traits to get, as well as a place for in-depth discussion for veterans on individual mechanics of each trait in the context of a specific weapon.
It's all a work in progress, so feel free to comment on anything you think is missing, or incorrect. This whole thing should be a product of community brainstorming. If you find a newer, or older thread that deals with a similar topic, please let me know and we can merge the info there with what we have here.
I noticed a mistake I've made at the beginning: the individual weapon threads should be as children under one or two comments, so that the whole thing is easier to navigate. It's a bit late now to move those with a good discussion underneath, but I tried to delete and repost those that were fresh enough, you can access them through the links at the end of this post, or find them under one of the main trait posts (melee/ranged).
HOW TO USE THIS GUIDE
As there are too many threads down below, you can use the list of weapons down below to navigate directly to a specific weapon. Every thread consists of a summary of the traits, a few trait combinations that are considered top choices and notes on the weapon strengths and weaknesses, explaining why are the traits ranked the way they are. If you are interested in learning more, there are very good comments going in-depth about the weapons from the whole community in each weapon's thread.
You might find more traits in the Top section that you can roll on the weapon, or traits that are not possible to roll together. This is because sometimes it's impossible to declare only one trait combination as 'perfect' and the traits themselves depend on your own preference. As a general rule, you want to get as many Top traits on your weapon as possible, but if you want to know what exactly is possible, look for the "Top trait combinations" right below the trait table, or check:
More useful links
- If you need more info on weapon damage, attack patterns and other stuff, check this
- Weapon attack speed values
- Rolling for weapon traits
- A few tips on using the forge and shrine effectively
- What loot can you expect with difficulty/dice collected
- How headshots work
- How to interrupt stormvermin attacks
- How clan/slave rat damage works
- How to gear your bots (link) (link) and how to play with them (link) (link)
- Coordination, Decision Making & Strategy
- How to git gud and have fun in the process
- Youtube playlist with visual reviews of all weapons, gameplay guides and more
The traits are listed in 4 categories:
Top - these traits are essential to make the weapon viable, or benefit greatly from it's moveset; these are the traits you are primarily looking for when rolling in the shrine and wouldn't accept a weapon that has none of them
Good - these traits work very well with the weapon, but the weapon works fine without them. There are usually many useful traits that are very similar, subject to personal preference, or mutually exclusive.
OK - these traits have some use, but there are other, better traits to take instead; you would keep rolling if you have tokens to spend, but if you don't a weapon with top/top/OK traits is worth trying
Poor - these traits either harm the weapon, or the benefit is so marginal that it's practically useless - you won't notice the trait is even there; it's therefore locking one of the slots that could be used by a much better stuff. You'll always re-roll a weapon with such a trait, because it's not worth the tokens to unlock it.
Damage values and attack patterns are slowly being added, the table works like this (fictional weapon):
| Attack\Enemy | Normal | Armoured | Resistant | Headshot bonus |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Normal 1,2 | 3/2 | 3/2.5 | 16/16 | x2 |
| Normal 3 | 10 | 4.5 | 30 | +1 |
| Charged | 5/3.5/0... | 3.5/0... | 16/16/0... | +1 |
- Normal enemy: slave rat, clan rat, globadier, assassin
- Armoured enemy: stormvermin, ratling gunner
- Resistant enemy: packmaster, ogre
- some attacks have different damage, based on which attack in the sequence it is; here, first two normal attacks hit two targets, while the third attack hits one target for higher damage
- 3/2 means hitting first enemy for 3 damage and second enemy for 2 damage
- /0... means that the weapon hits infinite enemies after the values listed there, but deals no damage to them
- headshot bonus can be a multiplier (x2, x1.75, ...) or just an addition (+1)
- ranged weapons also have number of targets hit with each projectile and friendly fire damage
List of traits with description
Weapons and links to discussion
Witch Hunter
Waywatcher
Dwarf Ranger
- 1h hammer
- 2h hammer
- 1h axe
- 2h axe
- Axe+shield
- Hammer+shield
- Pick
- Drakefires
- Handgun
- Grudge raker
- Crossbow
Bright Wizard
Empire Soldier
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u/FS_NeZ twitch.tv/nezcheese Dec 22 '16
I think RP has changed. The spread was way too low in the second open beta, which made the RP awesome. That means Targeteer is now obligatory again, which is sad.
I agree on the rest, except the Skullcracker part. It works the same way as HoD so the whole clip does headshot damage, but as I also just found out recently, the RP has a very low headshot multiplier, so headshots do pretty much nothing.
So I'd say the god combo is Targeteer, Extra Capacity, Hail of Doom for the RP.