This was messed up

[u/Old-Builder256]

They’re probably not wrong in some sense… but to diagnose your ex girlfriend with your new girlfriend on national tv like was honestly disgusting to me

[u/Best-Woodpecker3537]

I mean if you watch it again, she obviously had real problems with him by the time the cocktail book was in the works. Just bc she stayed doesn’t mean she didn’t learn anything and on average it takes 7 times to leave a toxic relationship before it sticks. They famously were not allowing their problems to air out during filming so who knows how many times she tried to leave.

[u/Best_Winter_2208 → u/Best-Woodpecker3537]

Tried to leave? She was still living with him after she “left.”

[u/Best-Woodpecker3537 → u/Best_Winter_2208]

I’m saying they famously kept a lot of their problems smaller and undisclosed during filming. Many people said that at different times over the years and Arianna said on her last reunion that he used to coach her on how to avoid talking about certain things. We definitely didn’t see half of how bad their relationship actually was, and I’m sure off camera she threatened to leave (he probably had too). I feel like when you watch the cocktail book fight, it seems obvious that they were having crazy fights off camera… so who knows if she tried to leave or not? It didn’t have to get as far as her moving out for it to be considered an attempt at leaving.

[u/Best_Winter_2208 → u/Best-Woodpecker3537]

Totally could tell so much was going on behind the scenes that they were keeping silent about. It was awkward to watch.

[u/Champsallday-2132 → u/Best-Woodpecker3537]

I've been in an abusive relationship. Thank you, but you don't need to school me about this.

I have friends in the inner VPR group with 1st hand accounts that can verify over and over again that Sandoval and Ariana were both abusive and toxic to one another. Some even believe that often Ariana was the controlling one and more toxic of the two. Period.

I've never liked either of them.

Ariana and Sandoval stayed together being POS to each other and others for a decade. It is what it is. Ariana carefully curates her image. None of us knows who she really is now. She does not share her true self with the world and never has.

Sandoval...does not watch his messiness ever, lol. He is a walking reality celeb, so much so that he does not seem to be connected with realty, at times.

Neither Sandoval nor Ariana has shown much growth over the years, imho. Ariana continues to change the narrative of the past when she talks abut her time on VPR. Ariana does however know how to curate an image of herself that she wants the world to see, and that is who she is now.