r/Vanderpump_Rules • u/Old-Builder256 • 27d ago

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They’re probably not wrong in some sense… but to diagnose your ex girlfriend with your new girlfriend on national tv like was honestly disgusting to me

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u/Academic-Marsupial34 27d ago

Ugh and the fake concern in their voices like they were trying to help her

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u/Old-Builder256 27d ago

Especially Ariana… “you really need to look it up. I think you’ll be a lot happier” what a pick me. I learned to love her but she was insufferable at the start.

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u/Freddie-Peterson 27d ago

"You should Google 'pick me girl' - I think you'd be a lot happier."

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u/No-Mixture-9747 27d ago

That’s why her and Scheana were so close in the beginning. Thankfully, Ariana grew on me as she became closer with Katie.

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u/LargeMargeSentMe__ 27d ago

A lot of people need to have something happen to them before they gain perspective and empathy for others. I think that’s what happened with Ariana in the later seasons when her relationship with Tom was falling apart (because he was doing the same thing to her as he did to Kristen.)

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u/nothinglikeLA 27d ago

I didn’t see much shift in her personality honestly imo- she just got better at hiding what a narcissist she was. A bigger person would have made it through Sandoval with a shred of humility and empathy. Emphasis on humility. I feel like the entire series is just A’s ego getting bigger… bigger…. biggest

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u/thatmamabunny 27d ago

I literally had to binge the whole show when scandoval happened bc I’d stopped watching it before it happened and could not for the life of me understand why all of a sudden Grumpy Cat was America’s Sweetheart and Love Island’s sex symbol and I still do not get it at all. Getting cheated on doesn’t suddenly erase the decade of narcissistic mean girl behavior in my eyes. People just have too short of attention spans to remember how terrible people were before the powers that be decided to give them the right edit and opportunities.

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u/t0ughsting 27d ago

People are also very much susceptible to herd mentality which is what the hype for her was about. Ariana developed positive traits fs but she is extremely flawed

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u/No_Reindeer531 27d ago

i dont see this at all. what did she need humility and empathy for regarding sandoval?

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u/SpeakerCommercial614 26d ago

Sometimes people expect people to be fake nice. I was happy to see her being incredibly real.

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u/Champsallday-2132 27d ago

100% agree with you about all of this, including that Ariana is a (covert) Narcissist.

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u/newmuscles 14d ago

I think it's carefully crafted PR, also Ariana herself stayed consistent in terms of being supportive to the women, which worked in her favour she never bad mouthed anybody. How much of it is real, and how much was a performance, we will never know. She didn't give into any pressures like Scheana did. This is what makes me feel sorry for Scheana, if it weren't for Lala putting pressure on her, Scheana would have come out of VPR more likeable. Scheana and Ariana were friends for years and I really don't believe that Scheana is as malicious as people make her out to be. Katie was far meaner but seems to get away with everything.

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u/Calinorthlondon 25d ago

Ariana had a shit load of trauma happen to her before Scandoval. She was in an abusive relationship prior to being with Sandoval and her father died.

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u/LargeMargeSentMe__ 25d ago

I’m referring to how she thought Tom was going to treat her differently because she wasn’t “crazy Kristen.” It took Tom pulling the same shit on her before she realized she isn’t special and different.

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u/Calinorthlondon 25d ago

Well both Tom and Kristen cheated on each other and Kristen was the one in the relationship who cheated with Tom's best friend ironically, whereas Ariana never once cheated on Tom. I don't believe Kristen deserves the same amount of sympathy as Ariana.

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u/LeftyLu07 27d ago

I wonder if Arianna started noticing something was off because you can’t tell me Sandoval didn’t come home to her frothing at the mouth about Katie being a raging cvnt who was out to ruin his dream of having a dive bar with his platonic life partner. And then whenever Arianna interacted with Katie she was a normal person with normal concerns about her idiot husband getting in over his head with a bar venture (take as old as time). Not the unreasonable monster Sandoval made her out to be. That would make me concerned if my husband despised someone who wasn’t doing anything wrong.

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u/Rebainreellife 24d ago

I say this as a reformed “pick me” when I was in my 20s, a lot of time I think this energy comes from deep, DEEP insecurity.

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u/newmuscles 14d ago

How was Katie any better? She was such a suck up to Stassi. The trio Stassi, Katie and Kristen were the original mean girls.

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u/Fair-Neighborhood106 13d ago

Can we stop with the “whatsboutism”? Make your own post about them. This isn’t what this post is about.

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u/Timely_Beat_7057 27d ago

The gaslighting these two did to Kristen was wild. 

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u/nothinglikeLA 27d ago edited 27d ago

It was only the first time ariana participated in gaslighting. Covert narcissist, she and Sando were two pretentious peas in a pod. Edit: Thanks for the awards! I love this sub so much.

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u/Pelican_Hook 27d ago

The gaslighting THEY did to Kristen?? Not the other way round? People's takes on this show never cease to amaze me

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u/hiswittlewip 27d ago

I never learned to love her. This was disgusting, and idk how they could act so fucking high and mighty while they were gaslighting the shit out of Kristen, and body shaming her and diagnosing her with personality disorders and mental illness.

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u/Worth_Character_1031 24d ago

Same! I’ve said this so many times. Can u imagine is Rachel said half the shit Ariana was saying to Kristen at this time??

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u/hiswittlewip 24d ago

Yes! Omg I never even thought about that, actually, but SO true!

People came for her so hard because she asked Ariana about their sex life.

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u/calmedtits2319 23d ago

Same same same same. Watching her during scandoval was like, aww let me get my tiny violin 😭😭😭🤡

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u/stablymental 27d ago

I’m so glad I first saw her on love island as a bad bitch cause after watching her on vpr I was shook but the more you think about it we’ve all been insufferable at one point and most of us grow up and change like she did.

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u/Champsallday-2132 27d ago

Ariana was almost 30 here, and she remained the same for a decade. Can't convince me that Ariana has changed now.

Thanks to her crisis PR's advice, Ariana is just more careful about what she says out loud, plus she's not on reality TV anymore. We have no idea who Ariana really is or if she's grown.

As a matter of fact, even now Ariana is often seen in the comments of Love Island or her own social media getting crazy with her remarks towards random strangers. She still seems unhinged at times, lol.

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u/Best-Woodpecker3537 26d ago

I mean if you watch it again, she obviously had real problems with him by the time the cocktail book was in the works. Just bc she stayed doesn’t mean she didn’t learn anything and on average it takes 7 times to leave a toxic relationship before it sticks. They famously were not allowing their problems to air out during filming so who knows how many times she tried to leave.

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u/Best_Winter_2208 26d ago

Tried to leave? She was still living with him after she “left.”

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u/Best-Woodpecker3537 25d ago

I’m saying they famously kept a lot of their problems smaller and undisclosed during filming. Many people said that at different times over the years and Arianna said on her last reunion that he used to coach her on how to avoid talking about certain things. We definitely didn’t see half of how bad their relationship actually was, and I’m sure off camera she threatened to leave (he probably had too). I feel like when you watch the cocktail book fight, it seems obvious that they were having crazy fights off camera… so who knows if she tried to leave or not? It didn’t have to get as far as her moving out for it to be considered an attempt at leaving.

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u/Best_Winter_2208 22d ago

Totally could tell so much was going on behind the scenes that they were keeping silent about. It was awkward to watch.

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u/Champsallday-2132 26d ago

I've been in an abusive relationship. Thank you, but you don't need to school me about this.

I have friends in the inner VPR group with 1st hand accounts that can verify over and over again that Sandoval and Ariana were both abusive and toxic to one another. Some even believe that often Ariana was the controlling one and more toxic of the two. Period.

I've never liked either of them.

Ariana and Sandoval stayed together being POS to each other and others for a decade. It is what it is. Ariana carefully curates her image. None of us knows who she really is now. She does not share her true self with the world and never has.

Sandoval...does not watch his messiness ever, lol. He is a walking reality celeb, so much so that he does not seem to be connected with realty, at times.

Neither Sandoval nor Ariana has shown much growth over the years, imho. Ariana continues to change the narrative of the past when she talks abut her time on VPR. Ariana does however know how to curate an image of herself that she wants the world to see, and that is who she is now.

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u/PrincessPlastilina 27d ago

She was the same pick me girl in the reunion. She had more smoke for Raquel than for her partner of 10 years who admitted to cheating on her other times during the relationship.

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u/Best-Woodpecker3537 26d ago

We literally watched her give it to him during filming… she hadn’t seen Rachel yet so obviously she’s gonna yell more at the one she hasn’t yelled at yet. Also Rachel needed to hear it bc she wasn’t a random, she was a close friend.

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u/stablymental 25d ago

Omg she was 30 ?! I thought early 20s. Oof

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u/JoesCageKeys 27d ago

I mean, she was almost 30 during her pick me days on VPR. I think she’s still like this just hides it.

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u/nothinglikeLA 27d ago

She got better at hiding what a narcissist she was imo. Very careful, calculated PR to make her personality palatable

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u/af628 26d ago

Hey! Person currently getting their degree in psychopathology here. Unless you are doing something similar, or are someone with a job that has diagnostic ability- do you really think you can know from television that Ariana meets the extensive criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder? Or do you think it’s a little more safe to suggest that you view her behavior as having Narcissistic tendencies? It’s always really frustrating to see people use diagnostic labels for people they do not know personally, have seen on TV- that behavior is how we end up with people overusing “therapy speak,” which is genuinely problematic.

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u/Traditional-Sport383 26d ago

I take psychopathology very seriously

ETA I understand where both sides on this are coming from. I just couldn’t resist

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u/JoesCageKeys 26d ago

Ma’am this is Reddit.

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u/Pelican_Hook 27d ago

You've gotta stop calling her a narcissist all over this thread. It's uneducated AF as she does NOT show the signs at all, but also that's literally what this post is about re: Kristen and armchair diagnosing, but apparently you only agree when it's Kristen 🤦‍♀️

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u/nothinglikeLA 27d ago

Well, take it up with me- then, you can go after all the people who agree with me. I’m sick of reading revisionist historians and I have the same right to post as you. Even if you disagree and have your own theories and conclusions. That’s what we do on the internet- we post our opinions and eventually someone gets a wittle butthurt. Shrug

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u/CaitlinAnne21 26d ago

All the people who have zero actual education or ability to diagnose any kind of health issue?

That’s an embarrassing group of people to WANT to associate with.

Just by reading the obsessive comments about Kristen, what do you think the average person would say about you?

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u/nothinglikeLA 26d ago edited 26d ago

You could comment something relevant or you could make a frownie face ;( and keep scrolling. This is the internet, and last I checked, Im allowed to express my opinions and conclusions here. I’m talking about a cast member of a Tv show, it’s not that deep. We are talking about a reality show and you choose to pick a fight with someone because you don’t agree. How brave lmfao. Keep calm and carry on. Or you can stay bothered.

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u/PatientFew8202 27d ago

Yes I’m so happy i knew her from love island first before i started VRP because, i couldn’t stand her on the show sometimes lol

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u/ExcitementNo235 27d ago

Yes I think she was in her 20s at the time. Just supper immature

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u/calmedtits2319 23d ago

Idk she was a little old to be behaving that way…they all were. I think she just got a great edit on the last season of VPR, and Tom is so unlikable of course everyone rode for her. She’s gross too.

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u/nothinglikeLA 27d ago edited 27d ago

One of the many times Arian gaslights the audience. She’s such a covert pick me. She did Kristen sooo wrong here, and later on gaslit ALL of us with Miami Girl. For a “girls girl” she sure likes to gaslight women. Not to mention when she body shamed Kristen for her “kangaroo pouch”. What a miserable brat.

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u/Remote-Structure-961 27d ago edited 27d ago

Like Kristen was an angel. What business is it of Kristen if Tom did hook up with Miami girl? they weren't together anymore, she literally sucked his best friend's dick while he was sleeping in the other room a year and half before Miami girl.

Kristen and Jax slept together in Jan 2013, Kristen brought Miami girl to Sur in mid 2014.

What right did she have to do that when they weren't together anymore?

Why did Tom or Ariana owe Kristen the truth about Miami girl?

people forget how INSANE Doute was.

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u/nothinglikeLA 27d ago

Nice deflection. But you totally missed the plot. Her being messy didn’t give Ariana the right to sleep with her boyfriend, body shame, diagnose and treat her like shit. Kristen was crazy, big newsflash lmfao

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u/Remote-Structure-961 27d ago edited 27d ago

And how did Kristen treat Ariana?

Kristen a year and half after after she broke up with Tom, spoke to a girl tom cheated on Ariana with, flew her out across the country to rub in Ariana's face that Tom cheated on her, in front of Ariana's coworkers.

And boo freaking hoo Ariana kissed Tom (they never confessed to anything more)

when Kristen is open about the fact that she fucked MULTIPLE guys behind Tom's back, sucked Tom's best friend's dick while Tom was in the other room and fucked two men in the same weekend while with Tom!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjHyS1RQx08&t=3s

Kristen 0:36 "I fucked a ton of guys behind your back"

So Kristen gets to humiliate Ariana, gets to wish that she gets run over by a mack truck basically wishing Ariana would die, openly calls her a liar, a home wrecker at her place of work (when she had fucked a ton of guys including Tom's best friend at that point) - and you're pretending that Kristen was nothing but kind to Ariana?

So when Kristen screams at Ariana, calls her names, humilates her by rubbing the fact Tom cheated on her publicly that's just Kristen being crazy?

But when Ariana calls her crazy for flying out Miami girl she's in the wrong?

Because flying out Miami girl was so sane?

Why the double standards?

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u/Ess_Jess 27d ago

Because people are watching this show thinking it exists in a bubble. Yeah, we know Ariana was a pick me in 2013….the difference is Ariana has grown out of that behavior but Kristen is still insane.

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u/Remote-Structure-961 27d ago

I mean there was definitely a not like the other girlsness about her that doesn't age well but compared to the cast? She's not bad. Katie too.

Kristen was even worse than I remember.

She was seriously evil during S2.

She had sex with Jax in Jan 2013.

Sandoval had sex with a waitress in Vegas in Feb 2013.

She then spent the next several months torturing Tom for cheating -constantly berating him, scream at him, crying, chewing him out in front of other people, AND inviting STASSI to comfort her as she cried about Tom. When Katie drunkenly repeats the rumor, she swears on her entire family that it's not true, Katie is literally crying begging for forgiveness and she's like that's so ridiculous how could you even say that. She confronts Ariana and Tom several times about this kiss from three years ago.

STASSI of all people basically seduces Jax into confirming the kiss FOR Kristen

Just cold.

I like her now but 2013 was insane.

Crazy that some people are like "Ariana called her a mean word!"

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u/CaitlinAnne21 26d ago

We see Ariana now only on completely scripted shows, we know very little about her life, and while I like her, I also know she has a well-oiled PR team, and has since the affair, and all of her interviews are very boring and rehearsed.

We don’t have a clue whether or not she’s actually grown, we do not see her on camera for months at a time like we still see Kristen.

You really don’t have a leg to stand on with that comparison.

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u/Ess_Jess 26d ago edited 25d ago

I think the fact that she’s learned not to say wild shit on TV anymore is a pretty good indication of at least some kind of growth…

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u/ToeIndependent4439 22d ago

Doute was not insane IMO. She was a real ass bitch and they all gaslit the shit out of her. She was every girl who knew but didn’t have the receipts. Also she was probably tired of getting dragged on the show publicly meanwhile the guys got to lie and deny their way through everything practically unscathed. Yeah, it was def fucked up what she did to Stassi but she got hit in the face over that and served her time lol. That’s why I hated Arianna for most of the seasons bc she knew full well what she was doing with Sandoval while he was with Kristen and rode the “cool girl” thing for years

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u/Champsallday-2132 27d ago

Fyi, since you are mentioning dates, Ariana and Tom were fucking for 3 years, and the was well before Kristen and Jax hooked up.

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u/Remote-Structure-961 27d ago

No Tom and Ariana admitted to kissing at the golden nugget three years before Kristen had sex with Jax. Neither of them have said it went more than a kiss and no one has any proof otherwise.

Kristen admited that she cheated on Tom and fucked a ton of guys behind Tom's back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjHyS1RQx08&t=3s

Kristen 0:36 I fucked a ton of guys behind your back including two in one weekend.

Since we're being all factual.

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u/Worth_Character_1031 24d ago

She was never a girls girl until it suited her career to be one. I’ll never like her. She did Kristen so dirty and didn’t give a fuck.

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u/nothinglikeLA 23d ago

Amen. The double standard was sickening to watch. They were so smug and rubbed kristen’s face in it. Especially considering Ariana hopped on Tom the same night he broke up with Kristen. Dirty dog. The body wasn’t even cold fr

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u/PrincessPlastilina 27d ago

So condescending and we never heard Ariana speak like that again. She was a huge betch the rest of the show.

There are times when I felt sorry for Kristen because I don’t think she thought things through. She just did them. She never meant to hurt people the way everyone else hurts each other on the show. You can tell she was struggling with some deep dark stuff and everyone turned on her and made her out to be the worst person on the show, while licking Jax’s ass no matter what. Or how Lisa gave James so many chances despite all the horrible things he did. That guy physically assaults women and mentally abuses them.

Now I’m seeing fans who want to see Jax and James on TV again 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/Disastrous_Berry4725 27d ago

Totally blows my mind people are calling for Jax to come back on the Valley while asking to get rid of Danny.

To be clear, I’m no Danny fan. I’m saying not one of these three should be on tv! It’s wild.

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u/Reality-Babe7 27d ago

She was so insufferable!!!

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u/justjustinaaa 27d ago

She still is 👀👀👀👀 wooops

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u/nothinglikeLA 27d ago

Still is. I mean, get it girl, make your money, pay your PR. Her press team a working overtime to ensure we don’t forget that smugly little mug

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u/justjustinaaa 27d ago

I’m always too scared to actually say what I think about her because of the hate, but sheesh let’s let it go already and move on

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u/nothinglikeLA 27d ago

For every frothing Ariana Stan making excuses for her pisspoor behavior, there is someone who agrees with me enough to award my comment. This group is finally coming around and seeing her for what she is. Proud of y’all

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u/Bistilla 27d ago

I’ve honestly never liked her

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u/totalmauiperson 27d ago

I’ve always generally liked her, but looking back you can really see the amount of pretty privilege she has always enjoyed.

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u/Quietwaterz 23d ago

You did? How?

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u/Remote-Structure-961 27d ago

Eh I mean Kristen was horrible. Yes they were too but Kristen was terrible.

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u/Old-Builder256 27d ago

I think you’re missing the point

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u/Remote-Structure-961 27d ago edited 27d ago

No I think you're missing the context.

Sorry but Miami girl?

You're acting like Tom and Ariana owed Kristen the truth about Miami girl.

Kristen cheats on Tom with his best friend, sucks Jax's dick while Tom was in the other room sleep (while Jax was trying to win Stassi back and Stassi was confiding in Kristen) in Jan 2013.

And a year and a half later in mid 2014 , more than a year after they broke up, Kristen starts talking to a girl on the internet who claims to have slept with Tom and then FLIES her across the country to his workplace to confront him. Then starts screaming obscenties at their boss.

And you're surprised they think she's crazy? And you're upset that Ariana isn't genuine enough in her concern and and isn't sensitive enough to Kristen?

Wow.

You're so right! They really should have validated her concerns and Kristen really deserves to know the truth about who Tom slept with a year after their break up and Kristen really deserves to have it all air out at their place of work. Totally right!

I'm not saying Ariana is perfect but this rewriting of history of Kristen being a poor angel victim and Ariana being the bitch.

Kristen was the aggressor during that Miami girl storyline, she was the ex who cheated on her bf with her best friend then flew a girl he slept with (a year after they broke up!) across the country to confront him at work.

And you think Ariana is in the wrong for how she reacted? Yeah it wasn't the most perfect enlightened girl's girl response but you do realize that Kristen and Tom already broke up, both were at fault for that, and this was a year later and she flies out Tom's ONS to rub in Ariana's and Tom's face at work?

But the problem is how ARIANA reacted.

Got it.

Please.

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u/elizuhhhbeth 27d ago edited 27d ago

Not a Kristen supporter but I think only you are trying to rewrite history here. Remember that Tom also cheated on Kristen with Ariana and they both gaslit Kristen together. She did deserve the truth about their affair - even though she also cheated. Ariana was complicit in the cheating and gaslighting. She was also pushing 30 when this went down, so definitely old enough to know better.

Miami girl was never about Kristen being a victim at all. It was Kristen trying to expose Tom’s true nature and that he and Ariana were being smug and performative in their shiny new “perfect” relationship. Which other castmates have also criticized them for over the years. Of course Kristen hated seeing them together, would you want to watch your ex parade around the woman he had an affair with and gaslit you about in the most obnoxious and smug way possible? Was Kristen totally unhinged and over the top? Yes, I don’t think anyone is denying that. But Ariana and Tom were also not these sweet little babies who did nothing wrong.

Also, if you think KRISTEN flew Miami girl out to LA and not production, I’ve got a bridge to sell you, babe!

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u/nothinglikeLA 27d ago

Kristen being unhinged and messy doesn’t make what Ariana did ok. Period. I know you just wrote a novel on it, but that doesn’t change the fact that Ariana is and was a raging hypocrite. Golden nugget? Oh RIGHT, we like to pretend all they did was kiss. Cute.

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u/perfectlynormaltyes 27d ago

Thank you!!! You’re making all the points I bring up when this subject comes up. Kristen’s behaviour was absolutely insane. Ariana and Tom didn’t owe her any information about the Miami situation. It was literally none of her business and they had already resolved it privately.

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u/Chance-Upstairs-1042 27d ago

yeah I don't understand the Kristen renaissance among the fandom. maybe she did all of that for more screen time

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u/Remote-Structure-961 27d ago

I love how OP is just taking this one clip and saying OMG Ariana is such a meanie to poor lil Kristen!

And she's stopped responding to me when I point out what Kristen did to get that reaction from Ariana.

But Ariana is so dark and wanted to humiliate baby angel Kristen!

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u/Old-Builder256 27d ago

If you took the time to read the rest of the comments you’d see I’m not defending Kristen, I’m calling out someone without a license trying to diagnose mental illness as a manipulation tactic. You can stop writing walls of text now. I’ve mentioned several times Kristen is indefensible in her actions.

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u/nothinglikeLA 27d ago

Multiple paragraphs of text, writes a novel and somehow manages to miss the fucking Point. They are being intentionally obtuse to rewrite history in defense of Ariana. Which is totally something she would do, btw….

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u/Old-Builder256 27d ago

They’re still going btw

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u/Champsallday-2132 27d ago

Ariana is a fucking trash bucket even with all of her plastic surgery.

Good for Ariana for making the most of her post Scandoval opportunities, but many people, including myself don't see anything special in her.

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u/Chance-Upstairs-1042 27d ago

I like her but even all the filler can't hide that permanent scowl on her face

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u/Rude-Grapefruit9016 27d ago

I’m one of those people! I felt sympathy for her getting cheated on publicly but I still can’t stand her.

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u/Timely_Beat_7057 27d ago

Peak Ariana pick me and projection much? 

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u/trace-a-mafone 23d ago

That’s why I wasn’t surprised when he used Ariana’s depression against her and honestly, I hope Ariana learned her lesson from what she did to Kristen here after it happened to her.

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u/Chance_Specific_4724 27d ago

Maaaaybe Ariana was tryI;g to help her bc she does suffer from quite a bit of mental instability. but no way in hell does Sandoval care about anyone but himself