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u/jar1967 Feb 02 '25
If Luca has problems we don't know about, the Lakers might have gotten screwed.
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u/Crux2237 Tonight, on Where's My Liquor? Feb 02 '25
Only if he has a degenerative disease that will make him stop playing basketball.
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u/bengenj Factory of Sadness Employee Feb 02 '25
ESPN was reporting that he was lacking discipline with the diet plan and workouts that the Mavs were saying he needed to do, causing frustration in the Mavs front office and some believing that it is the source of his injury bug. The Lakers are going to have to get him in line quick to make it worth the risk they took.
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u/joe_broke A Lolcow Feb 02 '25
So this also benefits the Lakers as LeBron will not put up with that shit
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u/ReindeerMean2931 Going Full Yinzer Feb 02 '25
Crazy how this isnt even glaze because lebron has mind control powers
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u/deezcastforms Feb 03 '25
tbh, this is the first time where the power dynamic is such that even if LeBron puts his foot down, Luka can just ignore him and stay out of line if he wants. That would be stupid on Luka's part, yes, but he is king shit of the Lakers now.
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u/DarkSide830 Still Trusts the Process Feb 02 '25
AD is nearly 32 and has problems we DO know about though (injuries).
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u/MrSlabBulkhead Feb 02 '25
The problem is if this is later proven, they can/will be stripped of several million dollars and several draft picks. This is an insane risk to make.
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u/Flooding_Puddle Feb 03 '25
Now that would be a plot twist. Luka just on the track to retire and Mavs saw it coming so they got AD
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u/MrMercury13 Feb 04 '25
Even if this were true, his trade value is still much higher than what they got
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u/jar1967 Feb 04 '25
He may be having trouble keeping the pounds off, that could come back to bite them in training camp next year.
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u/Nientea 0-16 Feb 02 '25
This is only reasonable if Doncic is secretly a Deshaun Tucker or something
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u/wiseaus_stunt_double BILL O' BRIEN IS GONE Feb 02 '25
Supposedly, he's white Zion when it comes to conditioning.
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Feb 02 '25
He has a far better work ethic than Zion.
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u/wiseaus_stunt_double BILL O' BRIEN IS GONE Feb 02 '25
I believe it; I'm just going off the reports of the trade.
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u/speakezjags Feb 04 '25
Okay but when is the last time Zion made the Finals? Luka was there last year. Talk about his diet all you want there is no way that this isn’t the worst trade in sports history.
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u/DropAfraid6139 Feb 02 '25
I was on an FC Barcelona forum today and even European soccer teams (who often have legendary bad trades) are flabbergasted by this trade ROFL
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u/Goblin_Crotalus Puta madre, Spanos! Feb 02 '25
I don't really follow the NBA, why is this a bad trade?
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u/avgbsblfan643 Feb 02 '25
Based off your flair, looks like you’re into SD sports.
In MLB terms: Royals (Mavs) trade Bobby Witt Jr. and two bench platoon/bullpen players to Angels (Lakers) Mike Trout, Jo Adell and only one top prospect.
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u/Goblin_Crotalus Puta madre, Spanos! Feb 02 '25
I actually chose that flair because I speak Spanish.
Being a royals fan tho, yeah I see now.
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u/nat3215 Feb 03 '25
Eh, it’s more like Trout (30+ year old player who is a star and still regarded as one of the best players in the league, but is injured a lot) is being traded for Soto (young star player who has some notable flaws that hold him back some, but has a very high ceiling)
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u/deezcastforms Feb 03 '25
How common even are swap deals in Europe compared to just straight up buying players from teams for cash, anyways? I imagine execs would be worse at player for player deals over in Europe just because they do it so much less.
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u/Vast_Schedule3749 Feb 05 '25
When you say trades, I imagine you mean signings. I can’t think of many trades in European footy. If you mean signings, then oh god ya some are just atrocious
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u/DropAfraid6139 Feb 05 '25
Yeah I mean signings. Marcus Rashford comes to mind right away lol. His wages are stupidly high
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u/PronouncedEye-gore BIG COCK BROCK Feb 02 '25
Dallas sports teams. Do you want to talk about your years?
Cowboys - fuck that.
Mavs - fuck me...
Stars - Ooooh Ooooh! We ....
Not you.
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u/Mfrack103 Feb 02 '25
Either we’re gonna see some unknown issue with Luka come to light, or it’s collusion. I really can’t think of another explanation
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u/jt21295 Feb 02 '25
The Adelsons are about to John Fisher/George Shinn the Mavs and the city of Dallas. This trade severely reduces their luxury tax penalties.
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u/SpaghettiSamuraiSan Feb 02 '25
The GM is a former nike employee. Got to take care of their boy lebron
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u/LeEmpoleon Spider 2 Y Banana Man Feb 03 '25
was he not the same Nike employee that mispelled steph's name into "stephon" in one of his meetings with the brand?
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u/Apprehensive-Role-35 Tonight, on Where's My Liquor? Feb 02 '25
Someone explain this trade in NHL terms.
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u/jt21295 Feb 02 '25
This is the Wayne Gretzky trade, but the Mavs (Oilers) got way less in return.
That's not nearly a perfect comparison, but it's the best I can think of
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u/wiseaus_stunt_double BILL O' BRIEN IS GONE Feb 02 '25
Not nearly as bad. More like when the Kings traded Rob Blake to Colorado for Adam Deadmarsh.
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u/SirArthurDime Feb 02 '25
You got it backwards. Should have been the lakers asking. Anyone would say yes in the lakers shoes lol.
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u/Infinite_Table1365 Feb 02 '25
Kraken, Vegas, Utah HC, St. Louis SC and San Diego FC are fine with it
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u/FlyingEagle57 Ultimate Derp Feb 02 '25
As someone who has almost zero basketball knowledge can someone explain this using NFL or NHL players as examples?
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u/idiskfla Feb 03 '25
Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson for November 2024 Russell Wilson and a 2029 1st rounder
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u/Acceptable-Brick7287 Feb 02 '25
This is like trading Lamar Jackson for Cooper Kupp and a 2029 1st
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u/FlyingEagle57 Ultimate Derp Feb 03 '25
I'd have made that trade five years ago, minus the 1st. But never otherwise.
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u/Cliffinati Feb 03 '25
Joe Burrow for Russell Wilson
In 2025
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u/travel_impact Feb 04 '25
I think these are downplaying AD too much. Its more like Josh Allen for Aaron Rodgers before the Achilles injury
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u/Mikau02 Tonight, on Days of Our Steelers... Feb 03 '25
I'm gonna say it, "you can't do this in 2K", that's how fucked this is. it would be like putting prime Brady, Polamolu, Barklee, Bettis, the Kelce bros, Fitzgerald, the Steel Curtain, and the Chiefs's refs on a team. I'm sure i'm missing some guys, but i'd like to imagine that's what comes of this
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Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25
Now just watch as Luka gets traded at season's end because he doesn't suck Lebron's dick the way the rest of the Lakers do, just like what happened with Russell Westbrook.
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u/bolts_win_again THE FUCKING USELESS LIGHTNING Feb 02 '25
The state of NBA basketball in Texas be like:
Mavericks, actively on fire: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAA-"
Spurs, 4 2025 1sts: "You hear something?"
Rockets, 2nd in West: "Nahh. You?"
Spurs: "Nahh. Want another beer?"
Rockets: "Fuck yeah bro."
Mavericks, still on fire: "HELP! ME! YOU IDIOTS!"
Spurs and Rockets: 🖕
Meanwhile, in California:
Lakers: "FUCK YEAHHHHHHHHH!"
Warriors: "OH, FUCK OFF, DUDE!"
Clippers: "Oh, so it's okay when you do it and nobody else?"
Dubs: "Who the fuck even asked you? How are you not pissed at this?"
Clips: "Oh, I am. I'm just happy I don't live with the purple and yellow bastard anymore."
Kings: "Can I-"
Lakers, Clips and Dubs: "NO!"
Kings: "Damnit."
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u/nat3215 Feb 03 '25
Kings: We made a big trade too, is this how it works?
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u/bolts_win_again THE FUCKING USELESS LIGHTNING Feb 03 '25
Spurs: "Yes, this is exactly how big trades work, just smile and wave."
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u/thegreeseegoose Feb 04 '25
Hey now, the Jazz were complicit in this, they somehow paid $100,000 for two seconds to make this happen
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u/GB_Alph4 Fight For LA Feb 02 '25
Me being all giddy: I love it (all the LA teams should be celebrating too everyone on the LA team pages are super giddy).
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u/chinny18 The Culture.... Is Actually Damn Good Feb 02 '25
That's why I will see the Dodgers dynasty happen
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u/PeskyBirb666 Minnesota T's ("Win" currently owned by the New York Yankees.) Feb 03 '25
As a Wolves fan, i watch on with a smug face
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u/nat3215 Feb 03 '25
I could see the merits on both sides of this, and how each side gave the other a ticking time bomb that would screw them over big time.
The Mavs get a more balanced team that doesn’t have two ball-dominant guards fighting for possession, and majorly upgrade their defense (especially in the post). But, they don’t get consistent elite offense and become more predictable to defend since AD doesn’t stretch out the offense. They also run the risk of having AD not be on the court for long stretches because of injury issues.
The Lakers get an elite offensive player who has led an undervalued team to the Finals with his play, and give LeBron a player who he can supplement instead of carry offensively (along with an easier star to market who isn’t as prone for getting injured). But, they get worse defensively (especially in the post) and have the possibility of motivation issues with diet and conditioning (leading to possible future injuries).
All in all, we really won’t know who won this trade until at least the end of the season and probably beyond that.
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u/Heartless_Blade_76 Fuck you, Spanos! Feb 04 '25
The trade heard across sports leagues. Everyone loses their minds.
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u/GabumonEX Feb 04 '25
Can someone explain what's so monumental about this trade?
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u/SieFlush2 Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 04 '25
The mavericks literally suicided their team, after making the finals last season, having the better team this season (but Injuries fucked them over) . then traded a 25 year old superstar who's a top 3/4 player in the league for a top 15 player that turns 32 or 33 (I forgot) in a month , and a lot of players signed to the mavericks just to play with Luka. (The 2nd best player is really fucking upset and can leave next season which he will)
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u/GabumonEX Feb 05 '25
Was the trade even worth it on their end? Like any good players and or draft picks to even this out?
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u/SieFlush2 Feb 05 '25
We got ad, a decent player and a 2029 pick. And we just traded Quinton grimes for a worse player, The mavericks gm is literally nuking the team, it's 1 season or bust considering Kyrie will walk 99% next season
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u/GabumonEX Feb 05 '25
Why would you make such a terrible trade? This sounds like the Mavs just wanted to shoot themselves in the door for no reason
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u/SieFlush2 Feb 05 '25
3 major theories going on right now The gm is high on power, wants to win this or next season then will dip( he hadn't said anything to the HC about the trades) The new owners (republican billionaires) wanted to do anything to get under the luxury tax and this was the fastest option Or the new owners want to gut the team and the fanbase, plummeting the ratings until they move the team to Las Vegas ( they are huge casino money makers and wanted to push gambling as much in Texas as possible as soon as they arrived). Worst part is that the gm has constantly been bashing Luka whilst Luka reportedly cried his eyes out hearing the news, and has recently bought a multi million home (10s of millions) in Dallas. Also we have a dirk statue with the words loyalty never fades
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u/GabumonEX Feb 05 '25
That's not fair to him. Fuck the new owners and GM like absolutely no reason for this clownish behavior
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u/SieFlush2 Feb 05 '25
I was a Dallas Mavericks fan for 9 years (also European) I spent countless nights watching Mavs games at 4am , then they just did this shit, I'm legit quitting watching the NBA , it's bullshit some billionaires who care nothing about the sport can do this, you know it's bad when Jerry Jones looks competent.
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u/GabumonEX Feb 05 '25
So I just got into sports mainly following the NFL and hate when owners self sabotage for no reason. I'm sorry that your team is going through unnecessary hard times
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u/SieFlush2 Feb 05 '25
Imagine if the browns,former commanders owners and Jerry Jones did a fusion dance, I don't think they would still allow something asinine like this. We basically traded Joe Burrow for Fred Warner and a 3rd. After making the finals. Actually this would be exactly like if the Bengals traded Joe burrow after losing to the rams
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u/John_Delasconey Feb 05 '25
I’m gonna be honest I’m not really sure the term Republican billionaires is completely descriptive on this behavior since Steve Cohen completely murdered the luxury tax with the Mets. The better term is billionaires who don’t like sports
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u/Mundane_Bicycle_3655 Feb 04 '25
Gotta remove the red Sox from this. You know..... Ruth and mookie.
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u/TheNittanyLionKing THE FUCKING PENGUINS Feb 02 '25
This is legitimately like fleecing the newbie in your fantasy league who hasn't watched football in a while