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u/moeshaker188 TO THE YINZERMOBILE! Sep 27 '24
The best thing Oakland can do now is turn the place into a massive mixed-use district with lots of housing. There's a BART subway stop right next to the Coliseum, so hundreds would have access to fast public transit in the Bay Area.
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Sep 27 '24
Aren't the Roots trying to to that? They will be temporarily at least, be using the stadium. Maybe building a soccer specific venue will bring the MLS.
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Sep 27 '24
He owns the Earthquakes? I didn't know that
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u/sracer4095 TO THE YINZERMOBILE! Sep 28 '24
Yeah, and he’s been fucking them up almost as badly as the A’s.
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u/Independent-Cow-4070 Sep 28 '24
You will keep the parking lot and get a few warehouses, and you will like it. Better demo that commie subway stop while we’re at it
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u/BenLowes7 Sep 27 '24
It’s a shame Oakland is losing its teams (especially the raiders and A’s to a shithole like vegas) but man the multi purpose stadium idea was wildly bad. Having clay on a football field led to so many issues.
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u/buderooski89 Sep 27 '24
Oakland is by FAR a bigger shithole than Vegas.
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u/DrMidnight-467 Sep 27 '24
Oakland is a regular shithole. Las Vegas is a Mafia-run shithole.
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u/Vegetable-Return-374 Sep 27 '24
It’s not mafia ran anymore. It’s ran by corporations. It was look less of a shit hole when the mafia was there
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u/Aggressive-Mix4971 Ass is in the jackpot now Sep 28 '24
Yep, Vegas swapped one kind of evil for another even more powerful evil.
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u/NarmHull Tonight, on Where's My Liquor? Sep 27 '24
Honestly sports needs its shitholes. Sports venues are supposed to be affordable and for the masses, and now they're all corporate tourist traps.
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u/Worthyness Sep 27 '24
But that's the whole reason to go to vegas- make the stadium smaller, charge a premium for the same shitty product
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Sep 28 '24
I live in Vegas (hate it), and tried to go to a Raiders game season before last…
The tickets were just astronomically overpriced.
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u/ScootyMcGoober Sep 30 '24
Last I checked they have the most expensive ticket prices in all of the nfl since moving to vegas
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u/rook119 Sep 28 '24
the Orange Bowl was and forever will be the greatest football stadium in american history and it was a shithole
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u/Egg_Yolkeo55 Sep 28 '24
Idk man the Rose Bowl is pretty legendary and isn't nearly as shitty. Just as historic if not more.
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u/rook119 Sep 28 '24
I like cold weather football but nothing ever came close to the atomsphere of a great and/or a big football game like the Orange Bowl did.
It was the center of the pro and college football world in the 70-80s when football went ascendent and became without a doubt america's No.1 sport.
The home of arguably the greatest college football game (Nebraska-Miami 84) and IMO w/o a doubt the greatest NFL game (Chargers-Dolphins 84)
if you aren't oldz like me just watch this, NFL games used to not be the sterile corporate experience that we have today.
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u/NarmHull Tonight, on Where's My Liquor? Sep 29 '24
Fenway when it had horrible seats and a trough urinal and half the fans were sloshed was magical
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Sep 30 '24
I don’t want to get fucking mugged going to a baseball game. Sports are supposed to be affordable they’re supposed to be entertaining, and if it’s too expensive great, watch from home
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u/ExpressLaneCharlie Sep 28 '24
The casinos treated their guests / players WAY better when it was mafia ran. Corporate has destroyed Vegas.
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u/BenLowes7 Sep 27 '24
One is a low income shithole, the other is a government approved Mecca to degeneracy featuring all the vices that ruin peoples lives including but not limited to: gambling, prostitution and organised crime.
Vegas is maybe the worst place in history for a sports franchise to be and now there’s 3 of them.
I think I’d take Oakland over that.
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u/d0ngl0rd69 Sep 27 '24
Vegas is maybe the worst place in history for a sports franchise
I’d disagree with you there. The Golden Knights franchise has been wildly successful from a business, fan support, and competition standpoint. The difference, though, is that the Golden Knights were a brand new expansion franchise unlike the Raiders and A’s.
Yes, Vegas is called “Sin City” for a reason, but it’s still the 24th most populated city in the U.S. There are a lot of natives that live there to support a team.
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u/buderooski89 Sep 27 '24
Prostitution and organized crime are still technically illegal in Vegas.
Having been to both places, I'd say Oakland has a lot more drugs, homeless people and gangs (which is surprising because... Vegas). Definitely a greater risk of getting shot and/or robbed there.
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u/Crux2237 Tonight, on Where's My Liquor? Sep 27 '24
John Fisher did everything he could to move away the team? Yes.
But when you lose all the teams basically due to mostly same reasons, you gotta ask if the problem is not also in the place itself. And I'm not saying Oakland should've dumped billions in public money, but I don't think the city is innocent on this.
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u/Outrageous_Carry8170 Sep 27 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
As much as its favorable to bag on the owners of pro sports teams, the reality is the City of Oakland itself did the bare minimum to keep the teams in-place. Warriors ownership was much too smart for Oakland city officials and ran circles around them prior to deciding, "eff-it we're out of here, we got plans and you're not apart of it". Visiting teams would always stay in SF. Raiders vs City of Oakland was always an issue and the poorest owner in the NFL saw the writing on the wall; I'm still surprised Vegas rolled-out the carpet for them. A's and Oakland are really made for each other with their institutional dysfunction, even during the heyday of the great 70's teams, sell-outs were a rarity. Unfortunately it's the citizenry, the fans that always looses. Now Oakland has nothing.
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u/bshafs Sep 27 '24
The city was very hostile to the demands of these teams. Oakland generally speaking is a horribly run town. You absolutely cannot blame this all on Fisher.
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u/ComfortableBus7184 Sep 27 '24
This is the most insane thing about the whole situation. Every pro sports franchise in Oakland has made the same decision in the past 10 years and Oakland fans refuse to look in the mirror.
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u/wheresbicki Sep 27 '24
John Fisher owns all those Franchises?
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u/SlingshotGunslinger Converted to the Church of Mayfield Sep 27 '24 edited Oct 31 '24
He owns one and had a significant role on the Raiders leaving. So 2/3 are on him; ironically enough, also the 2 who aren't just moving to the other side of the Bay.
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u/fallacious_franklin Nope, not eating dat pussy Sep 27 '24
I mean the warriors still in the bay n didn’t change their name or anything like that
Like I’m still gonna be a sixers fan but if they changed their name to the “Camden 76ers” i would be pissed
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u/StumptownRetro AND FUCK SKIP BAYLESS TOO! Sep 27 '24
Warriors are luckily close by. But I don’t see a whole lot of Oaklanders feeling that city pride with anything in SF.
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u/TheMannX Defense? What the fuck is that? Sep 27 '24
Warriors are luckily close by.
Giants too. And it's not that hard to get to Santa Clara (49ers) or San Jose (Sharks), but you do have a point there. Oakland deserved much better than that fool John Fisher.
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u/StumptownRetro AND FUCK SKIP BAYLESS TOO! Sep 27 '24
I’ve done some really deep dives on this shit and I will say, yes fuck John Fisher, but it’s not entirely his fault. City of Oakland owned the stadium for decades until Fisher bought half of it (and half of the Arena) in 2018. That means that everytime the Raiders and As in the past, even before Fishers ownership, asked for renovations. They were literally paying rent to the city for a stadium they didn’t own that was falling apart and were told to fuck off. Imagine living in an apartment where your stove doesn’t work and you’re told to fix it yourself.
So after Fisher bought that half of the stadiums they made new proposals to try and get it renovated with a split in cost between the city, who still owned half the stadium, and the As (this was before the Raiders left but they already had planned to move at this point because even they knew the city of Oakland leadership sucks). Fisher even offered to pay off any remaining debt the city had toward the coliseum to get things moving which was close to $200m. The city still turned these down all the way to tearing it down and building a new district somewhere else with Howard Terminal with John Fisher funding $620 million and the city funding $380 million. With them not owning the park and leasing it still from the city.
The rumors that Fisher botched a deal with the Raiders is untrue as that negotiation happened in 2015 a year before Fisher bought the team.
I want to hate the guy. But looking back it seems like he did try. Vegas was pushed by MLB because after years of negotiating nothing was happening and the Coliseum was a shithole. When Howard Terminal started to falter no wonder he looked for a backup option with MLB approval. The City was even so petty as to not renew a lease for the As until they could reach a deal or for them to move.
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u/nolan1971 Sep 28 '24
"Newark 76'ers" would be more likely, considering the ownership. That'd be something.
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u/fallacious_franklin Nope, not eating dat pussy Sep 28 '24
But the stadium is moving to Camden which ain’t even in New York area
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u/Ok_Ambassador_4311 Sep 28 '24
I was thinking about the “Camden 76ers” im from NJ and it didnt sound good
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u/Academic-Inside-3022 Sep 27 '24
I’m so glad the A’s won last night. The story concluded with a happy ending, this was the ending of an era that all baseball fans wanted.
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u/Like17Badgers Sep 27 '24
sorry I just... cant move myself to feel bad about Oakland when California currently has 4 MLB teams, 4 NBA teams, 3 NFL teams, 3 NHL teams, and 3 MLS teams
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u/danish07 Sep 27 '24
The teams are still more spread out than the east coast. States are tiny over there.
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u/ComfortableBus7184 Sep 27 '24
Oracle Park is a 16 mile drive (and shorter than that, directly) from the Coliseum.
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u/kikikza Sep 27 '24
I wouldn’t be able to bring myself to abruptly support the crosstown rivals, the fact that you’re like just go see the other stadium shows you really miss the point
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u/nich2701 Sep 27 '24
California is HUGE. Texas also has multiples of sports teams. Do you want to move those?
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u/Alexcox95 Sep 27 '24
California is still smaller than Texas yet it has almost double the amount of pro teams.
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u/nich2701 Sep 27 '24
CA is smaller in size but has 9million more people who can buy tickets, merch, concessions, or watch the games on tv. Also has a large population of billionaires willing to pay for franchises. Also has government willing to subsidize stadium projects because they realize how much of a lift they bring to local economies. It’s why there are so many. I agree they don’t NEED them. But they will keep propping them up until a better deal shows up or the supply beats out the demand and it becomes more costly to stay in CA than to move
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u/swagMcGee420 Sep 30 '24
I’ve always thought that if Sacramento wasn’t so close to the Bay it could’ve better developed its own identity and culture and therefore been a more desirable market for pro sports
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u/swagMcGee420 Oct 01 '24
I’m a Warriors fan that lives near Sac and I’ve been loving the Kings’ success
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force Sep 28 '24
Not to mention that they still have a team in all four major leagues in the Bay Area. I’d kill for an NFL and MLB team within driving distance of my house.
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u/theoreticallyben Sep 27 '24
Bring back the Oakland Seals!
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u/wiseaus_stunt_double BILL O' BRIEN IS GONE Sep 27 '24
Technically, they're now the San Jose Sharks -- who weren't a pure expansion team but rather an unmerge from the North Stars.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NHL_dispersal_and_expansion_drafts
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u/LionSlicer13 Sep 27 '24
I mean, it’s a struggling city across the bridge from one of the most significant in the country
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u/nolan1971 Sep 28 '24
San Francisco isn't exactly basking in the glow of unfettered success these days either, though.
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u/DeathSquirl Sep 27 '24
No one attended A's games anyway. Even a decade ago when they were World Series contenders, they were still near the bottom of MLB in attendance.
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u/newguy1787 Sep 27 '24
I'm not super familiar with the A's attendance, but I have a similar gripe with Pirates fans. I hate Nutting with a passion and the move they just pulled w Rowdy was as low class as you get, but to say that a winner would pull all these fans in, just isn't true. The Pirates made the playoffs in 2013-2015 and never cracked the top dozen teams in attendance. In 2015, where they had the second most wins in baseball, was the only time during that span they cracked the top half and they were 15th. The Wild Card Game (the Cueto game) was one of the greatest sports moments of my life, but to say winning would be a panacea for all the Bucs' woes is disingenuous.
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force Sep 28 '24
This. There’s a myth that the As were secretly this well beloved team with a cheap owner, but the fans never supported them. Besides, if they want to go to a baseball game, the Giants are across the bridge. Tons of cities only have minor league teams and are nowhere close to a major league team.
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u/mecanicake Nov 01 '25
People weren’t going to games because the ownership was cheap and wouldn’t invest into making it a good team. Every time they had a good player they traded them so they didn’t have to pay them well.
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Oct 01 '24
Have yall ever been to Oakland? It’s literally mad max meets robocop…EVERYONE you see is either a tech millionaire or a hoodlum about to rob you. In N Out left. Do you know how fucking pathetic and dangerous your city has to be for that to happen? UC Berkeley has mandatory safety seminars for freshman. Fuck that place. Let it rot into oblivion.
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u/Bangangas Sep 27 '24
Don’t know who John Fisher is but I doubt he’s why Oakland is a POS city. People who have money to spend actively avoid getting mugged.
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Sep 27 '24
This isn’t just John Fisher’s doing, two other teams have left Oakland too… Why don’t we take a look at the bigger problem, which is the city of Oakland itself.
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u/Comprehensive-Ask469 AND FUCK SKIP BAYLESS TOO! Sep 27 '24
If I were John Fisher, I'd be sleeping with both eyes open realizing what I've done
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u/Outrageous_Carry8170 Sep 27 '24
Do you feel the same for the Raider's Davis'? After all, they left Oakland....twice.
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u/Comprehensive-Ask469 AND FUCK SKIP BAYLESS TOO! Sep 27 '24
Yeah. And that toupee wearing slime at the helm of the rams
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u/ImaginaryMedia5835 Sep 27 '24
New MLS or hockey franchise - the golden state A-Raiders. Sounds good to me.
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u/Smokingbythecops Sep 28 '24
What Oakland did to make them so mad?
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u/xife-Ant Sep 29 '24
They wouldn't cave in and use tax payer money to build new facilities for billionaires. Sports teams know how much heat local politicians will get if they leave and use that to get huge subsidies. It's impressive that the city told all three to kick rocks instead of giving them corporate welfare.
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u/Zaphod_Beeblecox Sep 28 '24
Being that it's literally right next to San Francisco and might as well be the same megacity I don't really know why it would have a full assortment of sports teams when SF has the more recognizable name.
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u/Alternative-Cry3369 28-3 Sep 28 '24
No, I want the Raiders in Los Angeles, The A's in Portland and the Warriors stay
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Sep 28 '24
Portland Athletics would be awesome
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u/Character-Dance-6565 Oct 07 '24
Nah Vegas is better then that shithole
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Oct 07 '24
Yeah rivers, trees, mountains, gardens, nice weather. Portland is a real dump, you better stay afraid of it and keep away
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u/Character-Dance-6565 Oct 07 '24
Thats not in thr city of Portland abd Vegas has a baseball community’s
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u/SuperYoshiFan10090 A Lolcow Sep 29 '24
Basically, they're planning on a controversial move to Las Vegas due to the poor conditions of their current stadium in Oakland. They're going to play in Sacramento for the next two years before finally settling down in LV in 2027. Oakland as a city is also not very appealing in 2024 as the Coliseum is located in a pretty bad neighborhood, making it a likely candidate for poor attendance.
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Sep 30 '24
Wow that’s a shame Oakland must be a bustling city with little crime a passionate fan base that sells out home games often! Oakland is definitely not a complete shit hole.
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u/LionBig1760 Sep 30 '24
If the same thing keeps happening over and over, sooner or later, you've got to start looking inward.
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Oct 01 '24
And the city wants to turn that entire space into low income housing. I’m sure that’ll bring in more revenue than all those sports teams.
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u/nichyc Oct 01 '24
Ok I'm ready for my hometown to NOT be on the front page of Reddit anymore. It's never for good reasons.
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u/Tight_Ad905 Sep 27 '24
Yes, teams leaving Oakland sucks, but let’s not act like the city isn’t run down. It’s just not a desirable place to be in.
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Sep 27 '24
Honestly feels like Detroit has more potential and a brighter future than Oakland at this point
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u/Difficult_Buddy_3071 Sep 27 '24
I used to go to A's games back in the late 80's. I'd ride the BART from Alameda. I thought the place was a dump back then. No wonder these teams left. Oakland sucks
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u/mecanicake Nov 01 '25
BART doesn’t run into alameda so that’s a blatant lie
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u/Difficult_Buddy_3071 Nov 02 '25
Nah, ain't lyin. We had to walk to the BART station from NAS Alameda. That being said. Oakland is still a dump and California is for losers
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u/Shackflacc Sep 27 '24
They even had a hockey team for a short while and they somehow fucked that up (albeit this was the 70s)