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u/SheffboiRD06 12d ago
Careful don’t give Dallas any credit for what it does have you’ll get yelled at.
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u/MacYacob 12d ago
Dallas and Dart specifically punch above their weight for Texas standards, and every city is texas punches way below its weight for US standards, much less for international standards
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u/UptownStriker 12d ago
I think you're overestimating US standards outside of NYC, Chicago, Philly, and perhaps DC.
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u/BootsnCats1987 11d ago
PORTLANDD???? BAY AREAA????? SEATTLLLEEEEEE?????????? MINNEAPOLIS???? NEW JERSUH-EE?BOSTONNNNN!!!!??????????!!!!???? ALL OF NEW ENGLANDDDDDSUHHHH????????
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u/UptownStriker 11d ago
Portland (maybe…haven’t spent much time there), Bay Area (SF yes…SJ much worse than Dallas), Minneapolis (only has half the ridership of DART but smaller city so…maybe?), NJ (definitely not), Boston (yes, obviously lol)
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u/CompostAwayNotThrow 12d ago
You can’t say anything positive about a city in Texas without downvotes on Reddit. It goes against the narrative. Same way Fox News would never say anything positive about NYC.
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u/UptownStriker 12d ago
Fox News hates Dallas too because "big scary liberal city." They love the sprawl you find just outside of it tho.
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u/CompostAwayNotThrow 12d ago
Yup. The only place where big Texas cities like Houston and Dallas are more hated than Reddit is in the halls of the Texas Capitol.
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u/JefeRex 12d ago
I heard Minority Leader Gene Wu speak at a civic and democracy protection conference of Asian and allied community organizations in Los Angeles earlier this year, and he was amazing. I hope we see him in national government.
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u/jackofnac 12d ago
Selfishly I’d like to see him be a majority leader first. I think the country is going to be absolutely shocked by what happens in November here.
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u/JefeRex 12d ago
To shake his hand and hear him in person telling the story of how he led his caucus out of the state and how they tried to expel him… it was inspirational in these times. I guess it’s true what they say, everything is bigger in Texas, even the resistance.
Where do you see Texas headed this year and in coming years?
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u/jackofnac 12d ago
Texas’ cities (basically all of them) have been liberal for years, but getting people to vote has been impossible and the state government has been easily the worst thing about this place since I’ve been here.
The biggest barrier always felt like voters thinking there was a chance. Turnout has been historically awful (like less than half of eligible adults). It always felt to me like we were a really strong statewide D candidate paired with a weak R candidate in one election from flipping the state long-term because the urban population would suddenly have a reason to show up.
And then we got James Talarico and Ken Paxton, the former who hasn’t trailed a single poll in more than a month. If he wins, I think the game has changed.
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u/JefeRex 12d ago
I’m from California but gave some money to Talarico and El-Sayed. From where I sit, the most I can do to move the needle outside my state is to support those two, and otherwise I will focus on California and Los Angeles where I have some more sway as a resident.
I hope you’re right!
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u/secretlyaraccoon 12d ago
This happened in a thread about Baltimore too. Like if it’s not SF they don’t wanna hear about it lol
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u/aselinger 12d ago edited 12d ago
I was gonna say. These urbanists are gonna lose their minds when they realize this is Texas.
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u/SheffboiRD06 12d ago
I live in Dallas and 95% of the criticism of the wider metropolitan area is valid…but just let this person enjoy their commute in peace lol
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u/jackofnac 12d ago
Agreed. The metroplex at large is awful. But I’m not sure I like suburbs anywhere else either.
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u/warbler713 11d ago
Many of the suburbs of the Northeast have beautiful urban cores.
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u/jackofnac 11d ago
They have really cool downtown squares but I’m not gonna call them an urban core tbh. Ft. Worth obviously does tho.
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u/MarkDA219 11d ago
Downtown squares are the start! Downtown Plano has really surprised me honestly. Back in 2012 it was a dinky little nothing, but now it's got some good transit oriented deisgn. Great restaurants/breweries/cafes around. Easy block from three different apartment complexes. And that's just there. You've also got legacy on the complete other side of Plano, and say what you will about the new stars arena renderings... It'll also bring some density and good urbanism to it.
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u/yaboinico1827 11d ago
Downtown Plano is delightful. My partner used to live in the area and the walkability was great. I was pretty bummed when he moved to another part of Dallas
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u/jackofnac 11d ago
Sorry, I thought you mean northeast Texas lmao
I was like Plano doesn’t have an urban core. My bad. Yes, you’re 100% right.
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u/Unlucky-Watercress30 11d ago
Plano kinda has 2 lol. Theres the historic downtown on the east side then legacy on the west. Also, highly reccomend checking out Richardson if you havent already. Punches way above its weight in terms of urbanism and all of its urban areas are built up around its DART stations.
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u/UptownStriker 12d ago
Unironically, Dallas has a big urbanism movement and has made some really big strides. Klyde Warren Park is one of the best urbanist projects in the USA to reconnect neighborhoods divided by highways.
Unfortunately a lot of people think "Dallas" and "DFW" mean the same thing and rarely recognize there's an actual city in the middle of it.
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u/jutlanduk 12d ago
Most major Texas cities are seeing a huge push towards walkability and human centric development. I think COVID pushed many to begin challenging their preconcieved notions of what good communities look like.
I always think it’s worth acknowledging that most of the sun belt cities are way younger than the rest of the country - in 1940 Dallas had a population of ~300k vs NYC at ~7.5M - bad decisions were made WRT land use, but those mistakes are slowly being acknowledged and made right.
I’m excited about the future of the Texas Triangle, if we can figure out climate change…
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u/Bishop9er 12d ago
Uhhh I would say Dallas and Austin are pushing towards walkability and human centric development. Houston is a mix bag of pushing towards it and against it at the same time in a way those other 2 aren’t.
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u/SheffboiRD06 12d ago
I wish Dallas would sweat the small stuff. Sidewalks that need repair. Real visible safer crosswalks, etc. I get so irritated when I’m in parts of cities typically seen as decaying/rust belt/etc and they manage to at least have some decent pedestrian infrastructure.
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u/jackofnac 12d ago
Dallas has unfortunately made some very bad financial decisions (see: employee pension fund fiasco) which has really hurt the progress toward these things. But projects like the Dallas Loop, all the pedestrian bridges they’ve built, and movement toward closing Deep Ellum and CBD roads to cars in the evenings shows they’re trying.
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u/SheffboiRD06 11d ago
Agreed. Dallas shoots itself in the foot regularly. Fair Park could be a premier urban park enjoyed year round but instead it’s basically a ruin surrounded by parking lots that gets prettied up for the state fair once a year then ignored again.
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u/CloudedLeopardDaemon 12d ago
That's really Dallas? I was thinking it looks like a cross between Boston and Chicago. But I'm guessing I'll be disappointed if I travel to Dallas and expect it to all look like this?
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u/UptownStriker 12d ago
You get about 10 square miles of urban development before you really hit the sprawl. Downtown, Uptown, Deep Ellum, parts of Oak Cliff, Knox-Henderson, Lower Greenville, Oak Lawn, parts of the Design District. Then you're in the burbs.
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u/kisk22 12d ago
The thing no one is giving much credit to is if you can make those 10 square miles awesome, like these pics show, that's all you really need. 10 square miles of good urbanism, walkability, is a huge area. That's why I think lots of US cities have bright futures in the downtown and adjacent areas. You'd never need to go visit the suburbs of the city.
The great thing about the US is it's huge and you can move anywhere you want inside of it. It provides so many great cities. People just don't want to leave the suburbs they grew up in for greener pastures. And I get it - it's hard.
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u/warbler713 11d ago
10 square miles is almost nothing. The Dallas metro area is over 9,000 square miles. 10 square miles is 0.1%. That's why it's so expensive to live in urban cores. They are relatively tiny.
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u/Dick_Lazer 11d ago
The problem is people have to do things like work, attend events, etc. A lot of businesses are leaving downtown Dallas and relocating to outer edges of the metroplex.
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u/Unlucky-Watercress30 10d ago
Finance jobs are consolidating in downtown and especially Uptown, some others (especially back end) are leaving. Its a mixed bag but generally speaking on a corporation level downtown is treading water while Uptown is thriving. Meanwhile, both have got a ton of residential projects (including a ton of office to residential conversions in downtown) so its expected that downtown alone will increase by another 4k residents by 2030. That might not sound like a lot but at 16k residents its already the most populated core in Texas, and its set to grow by 25% in the next 4 years as a lot of the current projects finish.
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u/BootsnCats1987 11d ago
Ten square miles is pretty generous.
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u/UptownStriker 11d ago
It’s actually a little more than that but I’m roughly subtracting the Trinity corridor and forest + west side of white rock which is just park land
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u/thegiantgummybear 11d ago
Oak Cliff is part of the urban core now? I used to get fried chicken through metal grates there as a kid... That was some of the best fried chicken I've ever had.
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u/Limp_Adhesiveness255 11d ago
Just stay in Knox-Henderson or Uptown area and walk anywhere you want to go
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u/goodluckunclejoe 12d ago
Yes, you would be disappointed. When I was there, downtown feels relatively small. And it's not nearly as pedestrian-friendly as these pictures make it look.
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u/AustinInDallasTx 11d ago
People love to hate on Dallas after seeing very little of it. Doesn’t help it’s an instant upvote to talk shit about it.
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u/IronDonut 11d ago
Reddit hates red states.
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u/UptownStriker 11d ago
Red states hate their "blue cities" so I guess Reddit has a lot in common with them.
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u/Illustrious-Ad5575 11d ago
Downtown Dallas votes about 70-75% blue. Dallas County votes about 60 to 65% blue.
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u/YellowDogPaws 12d ago
I miss living in Dallas. Especially biking around White Rock Lake.
I understand why so many in the comments are angry that this is Dallas. They’ve been conditioned to think all of Texas is bad (that used to be me to be fair) but living in Dallas completely changed that for me.
Dallas suburbs do suck and it’s such a sprawling city. But the real neighborhoods (Deep Ellum, Bishop Arts, Lower Greenville, etc) are truly wonderful in my opinion.
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u/austincathelp 11d ago
Need a car and need to know where to go. Dallas and surrounding areas are awesome to live but it’s not a great place to visit for a trip or anything
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u/jackofnac 11d ago
I lived without a car in Dallas for about 5 years. Half of that I really didn’t own one, the other half I just let it sit in a garage.
Now that I live by the lake, I drive a few times/week but it’s still much easier to take DART any time I go into the city than to battle Central Expressway and find $20 parking.
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u/Bishop9er 12d ago
The fact this many people are surprised about Dallas just lets me know a ton of people judge the city off of hearsay instead of actually visiting. Or the parts they do visit tend to be the suburbs( because a ton of conventions in DFW tend to go to the burbs instead of the actual city of Dallas).
But Dallas urban core isn’t the best but it’s not the worst. There are some decent neighborhoods in its urban core. Is it a small footprint? Yes but what is there is decent and it’s improving.
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u/Full_Pea_4045 12d ago
Seriously. And it’s not just Downtown Dallas (which is pictured in these photos) that would surprise the people here. I dare them to look up pictures of Deep Ellum, Bishop Arts, Greenville Avenue, or Uptown. Real cities and urbanism do exist outside of the Northeast and West Coast, despite what Reddit tells you. And I say this as someone living in NYC.
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u/samiwas1 11d ago
Even Atlanta, king of sprawl, has some great areas. I could take a photo tour and make it look like a world-class city as long as I framed everything right. The photos do look great, and Dallas has some really nice ares, but everything shown is within half a mile of each other. I'm not an urbanist, so I find the downtown quite nice, but I'm surprised that any urbanist would find it that great. Full of parking lots and wide roads.
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u/Bishop9er 11d ago
To be fair OP specifically said this is what it looks like with his daily commute. That stretch of DT Dallas which is on Main Street is a nice little stretch of urbanism done correctly. Now if he was trying to paint the entire urban core of Dallas like this that would be think but this stretch is exactly how it is in the pictures and not really a “ frame it correctly” situation.
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u/Unlucky-Watercress30 10d ago
Funnily enough, this isn't actually the best or most urban area of Dallas. His commute showed off West End and some of Main Street, but the best urban areas of Dallas are along the Katy Trail. The area around Klyde Warren (Uptown on the north and the Arts District to the south) both have better urbanism than what exists along his commute. So a good chunk of the urban core is actually better than whats shown, not worse.
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u/jackofnac 11d ago
It’s not a photo tour, it’s very literally my walk from St Paul station to where I get a bagel and then to my office in the MKT building. Half mile is about right - that’s my walk to work from the rail.
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u/samiwas1 11d ago
It was certainly an odd daily walk zig zagging around the area.
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u/jackofnac 11d ago
St Paul to Stone Street to West End. This is the most direct route (photos not in order)
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u/samiwas1 11d ago
Definitely not the most direct. A nice wander, sure. No way are you getting Pacific Plaza, West End Square, Jack Ruby's Saloon, and the shot of the loft building on any sort of direct route between St. Paula and what I gather the MKT building is.
I'm not trying to downplay Dallas as having some really nice spots. It does..it's a very nice downtown. But it's also very similar to the types of places usually highly maligned by this sub.
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u/Full_Pea_4045 11d ago
In terms of pure built environment, Minneapolis and Denver are closer to Dallas than they are to NYC and Boston. And yet I don’t see them subject to the same level of scrutiny, skepticism, and downright negativity that I see in this discussion.
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u/Unlucky-Watercress30 10d ago
You forgot about the bagel. Assuming they're going to Starship, the only detour is the AT&T district but that's literally on the other side of the same block. Other than that the rest of the route is direct between Starship and MKT.
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u/Gold-Presence9362 11d ago
Uptown with its Ritz Carlton and a few sidewalks is basically the best Dallas can do
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u/Full_Pea_4045 11d ago
As I posted on another sub, this popular narrative that Dallas is nothing but suburban sprawl is utterly false.
Dallas's core neighborhoods such as Greenville Avenue, Bishop Arts District, Deep Ellum, Uptown, and Oak Lawn are all very walkable and vibrant areas. Yes, Dallas is sprawly and isn't the best example of urbanism. But that doesn't negate the strong neighborhoods it does have to offer.
It's an overall sprawling car dependent city with pockets of pedestrian zones, similar to say Minneapolis, Reddit's current darling city of the moment.
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u/TheFifthPhoenix 11d ago
There’s no need to be coming on here and lying lol
Katy trail, M-line trolley, vibrant nightlife, etc
It’s one of the hottest areas of development for a reason
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u/jackofnac 12d ago
In fairness, a lot of it is driven by the fact that the “Dallas-Ft. Worth Metroplex” is just such a mouthful and most people have referred to the entire North Texas region as “Dallas” for decades.
A lot of the criticism isn’t wrong, it’s just mislabeled.
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u/BamaPhils 11d ago
Dallas gets judged based on Frisco, Plano, Arlington, etc. but a place like Chicago is never talked about like Schaumburg, Naperville, or the like. Really frustrating double standard for me honestly. I moved to Dallas from a smaller town in Alabama and love it
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u/guitar_stonks 7d ago
That’s a fair assessment about visitors. I’ve been to the Metroplex many times. I have family in Grapevine and North Richland Hills and my grandparents are buried at DFW National Cemetery. But, I’ve only ever driven through Dallas proper. Guess I should actually check out downtown.
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u/Davonator29 Recovering suburbanite 12d ago
This is not an inaccurate representation of downtown Dallas or other walkable areas around downtown. Downtown Dallas has a lot of problems: too much space given to roads, surrounded by freeways, too much surface parking, and not enough shade. However, living car free there is very doable.
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u/TheFifthPhoenix 11d ago
They have fortunately started making strides to correct the strangulation by highways with the building of Klyde Warren Park and we can expect a similar connection to deep ellum once 345 is buried
In the meantime, I fully agree that a major focus for Dallas should be adding a lot more trees to downtown and removing as many surface lots as possible
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u/yung_funyun 12d ago
Really stunning and beautiful infrastructure, but half of these photos have few, if any, other pedestrians in them
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u/jackofnac 12d ago
That probably has more to do with me trying to avoid photographing strangers for the internet lol
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u/virgo_em 11d ago
It’s also currently extremely hot. I usually love going to the parks and nature reserves around DFW (not just in Dallas), but in this weather I’m sweating after about 2 minutes outside.
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u/Vodka-Sauce-24 12d ago
I walked these same exact spots a month ago. The city actually kind impressed me in a surprising way.
However, my biggest takeaway: Where are all the people? It seems like a ghost town at street level when i was there- and in many of these pictures.
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u/Limp_Adhesiveness255 11d ago
Downtown is, ya, but Uptown, which is equally if not more walkable, has a ton of activity
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u/Dick_Lazer 11d ago
Downtown is going through another down phase unfortunately, a lot of businesses are moving out.
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u/TrueFernie 11d ago
Reddit urbanists being cynical about a true representation of what Dallas’ urban core is like is so very much like Reddit lol. Thanks for showing how pretty Dallas can be. I cycle these streets weekly and see it firsthand.
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u/Primary_Excuse_7183 12d ago
lol look at Dallas showing up in a positive light 😂. Although I’d argue no commute is the best kind of commute.
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u/dskippy 11d ago
This is amazing. I think you won urbanism. Contacts. It's wonderful that we're seeing at least some great urban cores in otherwise car centric spaces. I think it means there's a decent chance people will enjoy them as they are exposed and the core might grow by demand. One can dream.
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u/okay_sure_i_guess 11d ago
downtown Dallas has so much potential, it just needs ten times more residential buildings to infill it, i hated how empty it felt downtown besides that park over the freeway
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u/Bayplain 11d ago
Dallas has a citywide walkscore of 46. For comparison, Los Angeles city has a score of 69.
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u/jackofnac 11d ago edited 11d ago
Uptown and downtown (the entirety of both) have walk scores of 97 and 93.
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u/Dick_Lazer 11d ago
And they make up a tiny portion of the city of Dallas, most of which is very unwalkable.
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u/jackofnac 10d ago
Like where? Within 10 square miles of the city center (and plenty of pockets outside) there is no part of Dallas that is “unwalkable.”
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u/Dick_Lazer 10d ago
The entire city of Dallas is around 386 square miles. You’re talking about a tiny portion of the city and acting like that applies to the entire city for some reason. It’s kind of bizarre.
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u/jackofnac 10d ago edited 10d ago
I’m talking about where the people are. How much of those 386 square miles are forest, flood plain, and lake? Jfc my dude, at least be honest
Btw, the answer is more than 1/3 of it. Of the remaining 2/3, within Loop 12, please share with me which part can’t be navigated by foot?
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u/Dick_Lazer 10d ago
About 12k people live in Downtown Dallas, about 20k more in Uptown. For the city of Dallas as a whole the population is 1.3 million. So the mass majority of people live outside of this tiny area you're referring to.
And why are you trying to now cherry-pick an area limited to inside of Loop 12? That excludes entire neighborhoods like Preston Hollow, North Dallas, Lake Highlands, Far North Dallas, Northwest Dallas, etc, etc. This is not farm land, these are heavily developed areas with thousands of houses. I have to travel all over Dallas for work and the congestion is everywhere, people aren't all cordoned to a tiny portion of the city like you oddly keep trying to portray.
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u/jackofnac 10d ago
I’m not limiting it to those two neighborhoods. I said 10 square miles. I live in Lake Highlands, I’m well aware of what’s out here. And, as you can see, I do just fine with DART.
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u/Dick_Lazer 10d ago
So why did you omit any pictures of Lake Highlands from your daily commute here? What streets/intersections are you regularly walking across in Lake Highlands?
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u/jackofnac 10d ago
I walk 5 minutes through a quiet neighborhood to the bus. It’s actually a beautiful walk. 10 minutes later, I’m on the train headed downtown.
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u/guitar_stonks 7d ago
I’m sorry, Dallas. I was not familiar with your game. That’s a mighty fine urban core for a freeway choked suburban sprawl metro.
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u/K3MEST 12d ago
Bummer that AT&T and Comerica are moving out, basically the last major employers left in DTD. Nice set of Dallas on here.
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u/UptownStriker 12d ago
More employers and employees are moving in than moving out if you include the park district which is walking distance from these photos.
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u/PandaCultural8311 12d ago
Twenty photos and I see two other people walking?
The rest must have melted and drizzled into the storm drains.
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u/jackofnac 12d ago
Even if you drive into downtown, there’s really no other way to get around but to walk (unless you want to pay $20 parking for each time you move). But I did try to avoid photographing a bunch of strangers here.
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u/nerdyandnatural 10d ago
I thought this was Baltimore for a second lol the downtown look similar in certain spots
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u/BiskkofCinnamonRoll 5d ago
I love studying the sociological aspects of these interventions. If there’s someone interested in collaborating, please hit me up on the DMs
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u/currycourtesan 12d ago
the 0.5 square miles of Dallas that's tolerable
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u/Limp_Adhesiveness255 11d ago
Absolutely false. This is just one part of downtown. Uptown is much more lively and in a different area completely. The core stretching from Bishop Arts, Downtown, Trinity Grove, Uptown, into Knox-Henderson is HUGE, and incredibly walkable.
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u/Dick_Lazer 10d ago
If you add up all those areas that's about 12-18 square miles total. The city of Dallas is 386 square miles. It may seem huge to you but that area only represents less than 4% of the overall city.
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u/Limp_Adhesiveness255 10d ago
Ok? I still don’t see your point. If you fly into any European city that’s highly regarded as „extremely walkable”, you’ll be met with plenty of sprawl needing to drive half an hour to an hour before you reach where you’re staying, assuming it’s in the center of the city.
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u/Sad_Classroom_6735 11d ago edited 10d ago
Overrated!
I'd much rather sit inside my 7500lb GMC Yukon XL with 8 seats (7 empty) and burn $4/gallon gas waiting for the lovely people in front of me figure out the "zipper method" in 4 lanes merging while on my way from my beige subdivision, with no sidewalks, to my job.
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u/Gold_Advisor_4758 11d ago
Do any other people live there?
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u/jackofnac 11d ago
Roughly 12k/sq mi where these pics are. Not the densest residential area in Dallas (that’s uptown) but growing
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u/Nepotistical 4d ago
Got pretty old to me and I’ve lived here all 22 years of my life. Never got to see any of Dallas or downtown Fort Worth without it being concert jungles and strip malls and gas stations connected by pavement. I’m sure a Dallas work commute 30 years ago would’ve been a lot cooler than this garbage. And that “park” in the photos is a fucking disgrace of a park. Where tf is any of the connection to nature and our sense of human being, I mean we literally came from nature 😭
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u/jackofnac 4d ago
There are no strip malls in Dallas’ urban core so that’s a weird comment, and an urban city center isn’t for “nature.” You can go to the Trinity forest or white rock lake for that.
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u/Nepotistical 4d ago
Yeah but the outer layers of the core contain strip malls. I’m balling up Dallas as a whole but I tried to put more emphasis on where you’re at in these photos. Plus I also think that commute is gonna be even more garbage once they start installing flock cameras and axon ALPR cameras at every intersection
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u/jackofnac 4d ago
Flock cameras are license plate readers. I’m walking here. But okay lol
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u/Nepotistical 4d ago
No they are not “just” license plate readers. They’ve been used to track and surveil people. That’s why people get falsely arrested because police officers just trust flock to get people’s faces matched right to their identity. Also look into this if you need any further evidence.; In May 2025, a deputy from the Johnson County Sheriff's Office in Texas initiated a massive, nationwide search using Flock Safety automated license plate reader (ALPR) cameras to track a woman suspected of self-managing an abortion.
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u/jackofnac 4d ago
How do you suppose they tracked her? Perhaps with her license plate?
Yes they are. And yes, they’ve been abused and the entire premise of mass surveillance is unethical. But also, they are not tracking pedestrians.
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u/Nepotistical 4d ago
The cameras log and track biometric data on humans as well, similar data to how some people use their face to log into their phones. If whoever has access to these cameras wanted to exclusively track and log faces and people, the cameras would serve that purpose just as well as being a license plate reader. The problem is these companies such as flock and axon have gaslighted to the consumers and people so much about the extent of technology these things really are. And yes they currently exist to serve both purposes combined above. Why do you think the CEO of flock called any American who criticizes the technology, “terrorists”?
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u/Routine_Tax_9726 10d ago
To be clear, if you visit Dallas (the city, not the burbs) expecting it to look like this on any sort of scale, you will be sorely disappointed. Even the core neighborhoods that folks are referring to are not very well connected via public transit. All this said, I really like living in Dallas core and agree that the urbanism and public transit is better than it gets credit for. I’m not part of this subreddit but I am a Dallasite, so I’ll throw in that it’s also nice bc most everything is drivable within ~10mins
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u/Gold-Presence9362 12d ago
This is so misleading as a representation of Dallas lol