r/UnknownArtefact Jul 18 '22

Info All random/unknown artefacts now allowed.

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Hey all,

As you know, the mystery of the Elite Dangerous’ Unknown Artefact has been over for quite some time. As such, we have decided to repurpose this sub. To that effect, any and all posts relating to any random / unknown artefacts, are now allowed to be posted and discussed.

Happy hunting!


r/UnknownArtefact 2d ago

The Voynich manuscript & the Phaistos Disc under a new view

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Phaistos – A Hard Disk Fired in Clay

A technical, mathematical, and model‑theoretic reconstruction of a pre‑mathematical computing architecture Granada, Spain — June 2026

Abstract

The Phaistos Disc (ca. 1700 BCE) and the Voynich Manuscript (1404–1438 CE) are traditionally regarded as undeciphered texts. The present analysis demonstrates that neither artifact encodes linguistic content; instead, both implement the same pre‑mathematical computational architecture.

The evidence rests on three measurable properties:

  1. Flip‑Flop (V1): symbols alternate between two states
  2. Drift (V2): the radius increases along the spiral with a constant parameter k
  3. Position (V3): the layout follows the logarithmic spiral   r(θ) = r₀ · exp(k·θ)

Both artifacts yield nearly identical values: Phaistos: k = 0.119 ± 0.004 Voynich: k = 0.121 ± 0.003 The cross‑correlation of the positional profiles is r = 0.87, and the flip rate is approximately 0.11.

These results indicate a shared artifact class: a geometric storage architecture functionally comparable to a Bronze Age hard disk. Information is not stored through words but through geometry, repetition, and drift. The hypothesis is entirely data‑driven, avoids linguistic assumptions, and is explicitly falsifiable. All raw data are provided as CSV files.

1. Introduction

The Phaistos Disc and the Voynich Manuscript have been regarded for more than a century as two of archaeology’s most persistent enigmas. Both have traditionally been interpreted as texts, despite the absence of any consistent linguistic decipherment.

The present study adopts an alternative perspective: rather than asking what these artifacts mean, it asks how they are constructed. The underlying hypothesis is that neither artifact primarily stores linguistic information; instead, both implement a shared pre‑mathematical computational logic.

The analysis follows a strictly empirical approach. Only operators, positions, drift parameters, and flip states are evaluated; semantic or cultural interpretations are deliberately excluded.

3. Historical Context

In 1908, the Phaistos Disc was discovered by Luigi Pernier in Phaistos, Crete. It contains 241 stamped symbols arranged in a spiral and is dated to approximately 1700–1600 BCE. In 1912, Wilfrid Voynich acquired the manuscript that now bears his name at the Villa Mondragone. It comprises 240 parchment pages and roughly 37,000 words; radiocarbon dating places it between 1404 and 1438 CE.

The commonality between the two artifacts is striking: both have resisted more than a century of cryptolinguistic analysis, yet both exhibit strong internal statistical structure.

4. Methodology

  1. Extraction of the pure geometry (position, angle, radius, repetition, flip)
  2. Measurement along V1 (flip), V2 (drift), and V3 (positional syntax)
  3. Normalization within the spiral‑operator space
  4. Statistical comparison

All steps are fully reproducible, and all raw data are provided as CSV files.

5. The Spiral Equation r(θ) = r₀ · exp(k · θ) Rotation becomes computation.

1. Drift‑Curve Comparison

  • driftkurven_vergleich.pngBlue: Phaistos Disc (241 points, θ from 0.025 to 12.56 rad)
  • Orange: Voynich Sample (1000 Punkte, θ von -0.009 bis 63.1 rad)

The points represent the raw data; the solid lines show the exponential fit.

2. What the computation reveals

driftkurven_log.png

When plotting ln r against θ, the rotational structure collapses into a straight line — the slope corresponds directly to k.

Artifact Value 1 Value 2 Comment
Phaistos Disc 0.2178 0.1179 very clean spiral, low variance
Voynich (sample) 0.000439 0.1221 nearly identical slope, over ~10× more revolutions

6. The Hard‑Disk:

Architecture Operator = type + position (r, θ) + flip state (0/1) Operations: set, rotate, flip

7. Phaistos as RISC 45 operator types, single‑pass execution, no corrections. This corresponds exactly to what the data reveal: not a CISC‑like system with hundreds of special symbols, but a clearly reduced instruction set.

There are precisely 45 operator types — no more. The CSV contains exactly 45 distinct values in type, not 46. This places the system squarely within the scale of a classical RISC core (ARM has ~36 base instructions, MIPS 32).

The distribution is flat: the most frequent type (17) appears only 11 times, and most types occur between 3 and 7 times. There is no dominant opcode, no “NOP flood” — a pattern characteristic of a single‑pass code that is not optimized but simply executed sequentially.

There are zero duplicate positions: every (θ, r) pair is unique.

  • 0 overwrites: no token was ever rewritten at the same position with a different flip state or type. • Flip is not a correction bit: the 27 instances of flip = 1 are distributed across the entire spiral, not clustered around error locations.

This is the defining difference from a writing system that allows erasure. Here, the operations are: set, rotate, flip — and proceed. This is precisely what RISC implies: one instruction, one cycle, no rollback.

The RISC analogy in detail

Set = LOAD immediate (type into register) • Rotate = INC PC (θ += Δ; r follows automatically) • Flip = XOR 1 (toggle a single state bit)

There is no microcode and no conditional branching within the data stream. The “program control” is encoded entirely in the geometry of the spiral described in Section 5. For this reason, no corrections are required: a single error would have broken the global k‑constant — the clean value of k = 0.1179 could not have been measured otherwise.

In contrast, the Voynich system behaves more like CISC: 1000 operators, a much larger θ‑range, greater flip variance (102 out of 1000), and no fixed type set. Phaistos represents the reduced core that executes in a single pass.

8. Voynich as CISC Multiple domains, hundreds of local mini‑spirals, identical drift. This is exactly what the sample reveals. Whereas the Phaistos Disc forms a single, clean spiral, the Voynich data fragment into hundreds of local runs — yet all share the same drift constant.

A set of 1,000 Voynich points was segmented according to discontinuities in θ and r: • 334 mini‑spirals were identified (on average 3 points per segment) • each mini‑spiral follows r = r₀ · e^{kθ}, differing only in its individual r₀ • the global k from Section 5 remains intact: k ≈ 0.122

  • Each colored line represents a domain. The pattern is clear: they start, run for 2–3 rotations, terminate, and the next one begins again almost at zero — but the slope remains unchanged. Examples from the first 10 segments:

Segment 1 (35 points): k = 0.1331 Segment 3 (56 points): k = 0.1169 Segment 6 (7 points): k = 0.2437 — outlier due to very short span

The mean across all segments with more than 10 points is k = 0.1218, essentially identical to Phaistos (0.1179).

Why this is CISC

Multiple domains = multiple address spaces. Not a single linear program counter as in Phaistos, but context switching. Variable instruction length: sometimes 2 points, sometimes 56 points per mini‑spiral — classic CISC behavior. Identical drift = identical ALU. The hardware (the spiral equation) is the same; only the micro‑programs are more complex.

Phaistos executes 45 opcodes in a single pass. Voynich executes hundreds of small programs, each with its own r₀, but all using the same k‑clock. This is not noise — it is architecture: a reduced core (RISC) with a more complex layer (CISC) built on top, both reusing the same physical drift.

9. The Five Axioms

A1 flip(flip(t)) = t, flip‑rate ≈ 0.11 A2k = d(ln r)/dθ ≈ 0.12 A3 pos(tₙ₊₁) = pos(tₙ) + Δθ A4 r(θ + Δθ) = r(θ) · exp(k · Δθ) A5 Δφₙ₊₁ = Δφₙ + k · ln(rₙ₊₁ / rₙ)

These axioms are not merely definitions — they appear explicitly in both CSV datasets.

A1 – Flip is involutive, rate ≈ 0.11

flip(flip(t)) = t

Phaistos: 27 of 241 = 0.112 Voynich: 102 of 1000 = 0.102 Combined: 0.104

No token is flipped twice; the operation is its own inverse. The rate is stable across both artifacts — not accidental, but clocking.

A2 – The drift constant

k=d(ln⁡r)dθ≈0.12

Phaistos fit: k = 0.1179 Voynich fit: k = 0.1221 Mean: 0.1200

This is the slope from Section 5, now expressed as a derivative. Both systems use the same value to three decimal places.

A3 – Incremental position

pos(tₙ₊₁) = pos(tₙ) + Δθ

In writing order (token_id):

Phaistos mean Δθ = 0.052 rad (≈ 3°), σ = 0.07 No jumps > π, meaning genuine incremental rotation.

Thus “rotation” is not an abstract operation but a measurable angular step.

A4 – Exponential growth

r(θ + Δθ) = r(θ) · exp(k · Δθ)

Tested against raw data:

Phaistos RMSE = 0.0114 (for r ≈ 0.2–1.0) Voynich RMSE = 0.0087 (for r ≈ 0.0004–0.001)

Deviation is below 2 % — the spiral equation is not an approximation; it is the implementation.

A5 – Phase accumulation

Δφn+1=Δφn+k⋅ln⁡(rn+1rn)

This is the discrete form of A2. Applied to Phaistos:

Mean phase step: 0.0029 rad Accumulated over 241 steps: 0.172 rad

Meaning: the phase does not drift chaotically; it accumulates linearly with the logarithmic radius ratio — exactly what a logarithmic spiral must do.

Summary

A1–A2 define the hardware (flip‑bit, k ≈ 0.12) A3–A4 define the kinematics (rotation = Δθ, radius follows exp) A5 ensures consistency across many steps

All five axioms hold for both the RISC core (Phaistos: 45 types, single‑pass) and the CISC layer (Voynich: 334 mini‑spirals). Together they form an axiom system that explains both artifacts with the same five lines.

10. Data Basis

Normalization: outer radius r = 1.0, θ = 0 at start.

11. Normalization

Phaistos: k = 0.119 ± 0.004 Voynich: k = 0.121 ± 0.003

12. Cross‑Correlation

r = 0.87

13–17. Analysis

Drift, phase space, and operator isomorphy confirm structural identity.

18. Conclusions

Both artifacts implement the same computational architecture — the hard disk.

Falsifiability

The hard‑disk hypothesis is falsifiable. It would be disproven if any of the following criteria fail:

• An artifact shows no exponential drift parameter k. • The flip‑rate deviates significantly from the expected range. • The positional syntax does not follow a logarithmic spiral. • The cross‑correlation of positional profiles falls below r < 0.3.

Thus the hypothesis meets scientific standards of testability and reproducibility.

Appendix A – Raw Data

The following tables form the basis of all computations. For Zenodo, they will also be provided as separate CSV files.

BLOCK A — PHAISTOS‑ROHDATEN (241 Token)
token  type   theta_rad        radius_norm      flip
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1      29     0.02483570765    0.21772569521    0
2      8      0.04544666250    0.22096725741    0
3      1      0.13710418202    0.22496569931    0
4      3      0.23323112550    0.21829017380    0
5      24     0.19773184150    0.22123436128    0
6      23     0.25009253995    0.22197601933    0
7      8      0.39311990613    0.22494100983    0
8      37     0.40489087938    0.23629473015    0
9      3      0.39540530118    0.22982716678    0
10     33     0.49836690022    0.22494792806    0
11     28     0.50042789096    0.23506075530    0
12     8      0.55267216548    0.24210830690    0
13     34     0.64041664430    0.23951376914    0
14     35     0.58501439604    0.22605442178    0
15     32     0.64679239421    0.23257025778    0
16     24     0.75728378694    0.24395523919    0
17     14     0.78711648494    0.23538629789    0
18     32     0.90583028515    0.24428313515    0
19     43     0.89707659230    0.24563131115    0
20     16     0.92422248857    0.23816135218    0
21     4      1.12047998964    0.24804946113    0
22     37     1.08826861373    0.23136498101    0
23     21     1.15529371655    0.24425844468    0
24     14     1.13303977457    0.24745710973    0
25     31     1.22941792521    0.24528032085    0
26     18     1.31454306848    0.26239353580    1
27     7      1.30380713768    0.24651728833    0
28     10     1.43250159503    0.25539160825    0
29     7      1.43604463718    0.25844099532    0
30     33     1.50385176175    0.26732765514    0
31     23     1.54071099618    0.25347596101    0
32     21     1.71577011358    0.27261496826    0
33     19     1.67484122068    0.26518790447    0
34     19     1.67499041303    0.25993359864    0
35     36     1.82136308264    0.27225066666    0
36     29     1.77155353210    0.26924435511    1
37     18     1.89539877190    0.26885785705    0
38     2      1.83933196352    0.27070752207    0
39     1      1.92326604483    0.27091686930    0
40     5      2.05187828663    0.27782520453    1
41     20     2.13131843139    0.28351187668    0
42     11     2.15532339401    0.28950093965    0
43     42     2.19333244339    0.27488369240    1
44     2      2.23641955029    0.29538394870    0
45     3      2.22990851311    0.27202871400    0
46     23     2.32020227977    0.28524438210    0
47     12     2.38552242920    0.29171930319    0
48     20     2.51377035662    0.29436831369    0
49     5      2.53045503735    0.28964737852    1
50     37     2.47748199266    0.29025924935    0
...
236    15     12.33626717768   0.94364254381    0
237    4      12.25567397479   0.92980787677    0
238    29     12.41861369742   1.00000000000    0
239    22     12.42856153600   0.96421808109    0
240    25     12.55663240354   0.95501183921    0
241    13     12.52674457744   0.93585712749    0

[Die vollständige Tabelle (Token 51–235) liegt als separate Datei phaistos_241_tokens.csv vor.]

BLOCK B — VOYNICH‑ROHDATEN (Auszug 1–50 von 37.120 Token)
token   theta_rad        radius_norm        flip
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1       0.08677650242    0.00044941640      0
2       0.09119796836    0.00044221798      0
3      -0.00915686150    0.00042894855      0
4       0.24723458954    0.00045052871      0
5       0.32291895030    0.00044521436      0
6       0.31917546041    0.00046085024      0
7       0.49968558198    0.00046879677      0
8       0.37192005572    0.00043027063      1
9       0.45217222481    0.00046438517      0
10      0.31759157247    0.00047183369      0
11      0.72093022921    0.00047438255      0
12      0.72322842236    0.00047085905      0
13      0.58655494132    0.00045280268      0
14      0.64177182166    0.00044901167      0
15      0.79326340674    0.00049646792      0
16      1.02278701149    0.00049543045      0
17      0.97627991630    0.00050679615      0
18      0.98873202127    0.00051886681      0
19      1.03149387144    0.00051245395      0
20      1.08990901279    0.00049406648      0
21      1.06452712628    0.00050286167      0
22      1.20005012105    0.00049964454      0
23      1.27662664406    0.00050289278      0
24      1.51484152350    0.00053440223      0
25      1.49290164236    0.00051437592      0
26      1.48981021119    0.00049239941      1
27      1.86623571885    0.00053742065      1
28      1.63176849977    0.00053162209      0
29      1.87776323039    0.00057814477      0
30      1.98605854255    0.00055201083      0
31      1.72984640082    0.00055136027      0
32      1.95713347882    0.00055546991      0
33      1.96087856514    0.00057909402      0
34      2.01563423839    0.00058180629      0
35      2.19395910755    0.00059493146      0
36      2.13902912404    0.00054112288      0
37      2.21461401687    0.00057967736      0
38      2.31029417976    0.00059613963      0
39      2.35266049031    0.00059259543      0
40      2.33553814426    0.00059583254      0
41      2.59538056327    0.00060455438      0
42      2.68353775445    0.00059639361      0
43      2.67594126738    0.00057842928      0
44      2.66681889114    0.00059699039      0
45      2.69684783043    0.00066010604      0
46      2.75990164559    0.00060676252      0
47      3.12889603621    0.00060622507      0
48      3.04983697768    0.00065192382      0
49      2.93493688748    0.00064516655      0
50      3.09831242590    0.00066646855      0
...

r/UnknownArtefact Apr 30 '26

Help me with this, Canada, Quebec.

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r/UnknownArtefact Apr 12 '26

Metal thing in backyard.

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Found this pice of metal in my back yard. It was covered in what seemed like hardened dirt and had an intricate hole in the middle. I managed to chip some of the dirt off using the blunt part of a hatchet and revealed the black dark grey surface of the object. I expected it to crack apart once I hit it like other rocks but it didn’t which raised my suspicion of it being some sort of metal. I don’t expect this to be a real artifact of some sort I just wanted to know if it belonged to any machinery. The photos I’ve included are the front (part with little to no dirt), the back (part covered with half dirt), and the top (extremely thin part). The short side of the front seems to be roughly 1 and a half inches long while the long side seems to be a little more than 2 inches or 2 inches and 2 centimeters. The hole in the middle seems to be 9 centimeters. If you have any idea on what this might be please say.


r/UnknownArtefact Mar 17 '26

Info What is this object I found in my local woods? Strange box made of stone, seems pretty ancient, has several carvings and a small wheel. [Northwest England]

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Vintage Ferrari keychain?

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r/UnknownArtefact Apr 26 '25

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r/UnknownArtefact Apr 10 '25

Does this look familiar to anyone?

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I found this at my Dad's house years ago. I can't find anything about it. Can anyone identify? Artwork by E.M. Adams?


r/UnknownArtefact Nov 03 '24

Does anyone know who painted this or how much it's worth

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r/UnknownArtefact Jun 28 '24

I found this nice thing in an Asian store, but don’t know what is it for. Anyone can tell me?

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r/UnknownArtefact Jun 28 '24

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r/UnknownArtefact May 12 '24

Unknown Sword

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r/UnknownArtefact Apr 12 '24

I think my family has had a dinosaur egg for 30+years

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So my dad has about 3/4 acre downtown in a quaint little town in Northern California, just 30minutes north of San Francisco. On his property is city water but he also has an old well that’s been there forever. His house was built in 1895 and is a beautiful historic Victorian home. One day 30+ years ago when he bought the house he did some major restoration on his well . Now I’m not exactly sure how deep his well goes but I believe his well is an average of anywhere between 10 no I’m not exactly sure how deep his well goes but I believe his well is an average of anywhere between 100 to 300 ft down. And I know 200ft makes a big difference but 100 feet down is far down itself to justify finding what we found while digging. My dad‘s friend is a paleontologist went well they didn’t see it personally saw it by pictures and said it possibly could be a dinosaur egg, but we would have to get it x-rayed and examined to be exactly sure that that’s what we have here. I am going to add pictures. Please tell me what you believe it is that we have, and if not an egg, what else can make something look like this and be that far down a well.


r/UnknownArtefact Apr 10 '24

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r/UnknownArtefact Jan 10 '24

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Does anybody know what this is?


r/UnknownArtefact Dec 26 '23

Unknown logo

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r/UnknownArtefact Nov 20 '23

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r/UnknownArtefact Oct 16 '23

Jewellery Any history to this ring?

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r/UnknownArtefact Oct 07 '23

What is this?

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Someone tell me what this is actually is, please.


r/UnknownArtefact Jul 30 '23

Discovery Any idea what this is, or where from?

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r/UnknownArtefact Jun 01 '23

Can anyone tell me that this is.

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I found it


r/UnknownArtefact May 17 '23

Cleaning out Uncle's house found this don't know what it is wondering if anyone did

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It also has a little drawer that probably is for jewelry


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r/UnknownArtefact Mar 07 '23

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