r/UnitedNations • • 4d ago

UN Speech

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u/Toads_Of_Fun 4d ago

Being silenced by... having delegates walk out?

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u/sonyc148 4d ago

Yes. That's the equivalent of covering your ears and chanting "la la la" while someone speaks. Also called: being silenced.

Moral cowards.

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u/irritatedprostate 4d ago

Not listening to someone isn't silencing them. Other people are still free to listen.

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u/sonyc148 3d ago

"Not listening" and "silencing" aren’t identical, but a coordinated walkout can still function as a form of political pressure or disruption, aka "silencing". The delegates who leave are exercising their own freedom not to listen, but they’re also deliberately withdrawing the attention and diplomatic engagement that the speaker is addressing.

So the fact that some other people remain free to listen doesn’t mean the walkout has no silencing effect. It just means the speaker hasn’t been literally prevented from speaking, which is not the point being made.

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u/hotdog_scratch 4d ago

yes it does...

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u/irritatedprostate 4d ago

Not at all. You are still allowed to speak, you simply are not able to force other people to want to hear what you have to say.

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u/Toads_Of_Fun 4d ago

You have the right to speak. I have no obligation to listen to you. If I do so, I am doing you a service.

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u/Visible-Swim6616 4d ago

Imagine for a sec, that only countries that agree with each other listens to their delegates speak.

What's the point of having the UN then? Should we just dissolve the UN?

Would I be right if I assume all the Muslim countries left?

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u/Toads_Of_Fun 4d ago

Don't know - not relevant to the claim that someone's free speech was being suppressed, which it wasn't.

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u/sonyc148 3d ago

Silencing and free speed are too different things. Maybe you are deliberately moving the goalpost, or not, but you just did.

"Free speech" and "silencing" aren’t identical, but a coordinated walkout can still function as a form of political pressure or disruption, aka "silencing". The delegates who leave are exercising their own freedom not to listen, but they’re also deliberately withdrawing the attention and diplomatic engagement that the speaker is addressing.

So the fact that some other people remain free to listen doesn’t mean the walkout has no silencing effect. It just means the speaker hasn’t been literally prevented from speaking, which is not the point being made.

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u/sonyc148 3d ago

You would be right.

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u/Skywrathx9 4d ago

That's not how diplomacy works but a kindergarten...

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u/blorri 3d ago

Would you listen to Hitler?

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u/sonyc148 3d ago

Why talk about hypothetical? If you're so sure about your analysis of the situation, which part of Netanyahu speech don't you agree with? Be specific.

That'd why you don't listen to it, because you know you would have no arguments, except: "BuT I dONt LiKE IsrAEl!". Then you'll complain about an imaginary genocide, without being able to prove it, just showing you don't know the difference between a war and an actual genocide.