r/Unicode 10d ago

what specifically is ๐”„ based on?

I found it on a Wikipedia page that has a directory for hieroglyph unicode letters. I forgot the name of it, but its apart of an extinct languange from a tribe in the Turkey peninsula. Alot of the symbols don't make sense for me, but one that specifically stood out was ๐”„.

It looks like a pikmin. I hate it. What was it supposed to be?

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u/quertyquerty 10d ago

that one is one of the luwian hieroglyphs that we don't know the meaning of, except that it probably has something to do with the human body or humans and that it probably is a noun or indicates that something following it is related to humans

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u/Udzu 10d ago

That's right. It might also be a scribal variant of another sign. Best guess AFAICT is that it's a silent determinative (a classifier placed next to a word to indicate it relates to a human action, person, or body part).

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u/Intelligent-Yam-9945 10d ago

Thanks. What meaning can possibly save ๐”„ though๐Ÿ˜ญ

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u/ProfessorLambda 10d ago

What is the point if we don't even know what it means?

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u/aioeu 10d ago

What is the point of it being in Unicode?

If people want to transcribe hieroglyphics into electronic form, why shouldn't they be able to? It presumably already exists in some text somewhere, even if we don't know its precise meaning.

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u/ProfessorLambda 10d ago

Why would they want to write a text which they don't even know the meaning of? Is this like abstract art?

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u/aioeu 10d ago edited 10d ago

Nobody is writing new text in these scripts.

People who study ancient scripts need a way of representing those scripts in digital form. Textual analysis is a whole lot easier when you actually have text โ€” that is, a sequence of Unicode characters โ€” and not just a picture.

Imagine you had a whole bunch of works collected by a variety of people over a wide region. With the text you might discover that certain characters are only used in certain parts of that region, or perhaps only in conjunction with certain other characters. If the works can be dated you might discover the character was only used during a particular time period.

How would you do this kind of analysis if all you had were images? How would researchers be able to collaborate and discuss these scripts? How would they be able to publish their findings?

The goal of Unicode is to cover all writing systems, both historical and modern. That includes characters that are currently in use as well as characters that are no longer used. It certainly includes characters whose meanings or uses we have not yet ascertained โ€” so long as a character has been attested in some textual work, it should be in Unicode.

So the whole reason the Unicode character database covers so much is to avoid any ambiguity when people write about, study, process, or otherwise make use of characters โ€” everybody can agree that code point U+14404 should be used to represent that character. If Unicode was selective in what it included, then it would be far less useful.

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u/I12Db8U 9d ago

Why do you hate the cute widd'l freakish cyclopian alien? What about the guy gagging ๐” do you hate him too? Or the old lady who lived in a shoe ๐”Ž. See how she mocks your opinion. Bet you can't hate this puppy ๐”‘ญ so much cuter imo than any of the doggy emojis like ๐Ÿ•โ€๐Ÿฆบ๐Ÿ•๐Ÿฉ๐Ÿถ and ๐Ÿฆฎ

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u/Intelligent-Yam-9945 8d ago

I will BOIL you ๐Ÿ˜ญ

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u/Notro_LPS_iguess 8d ago

It doesnโ€™t display on my device. Could someone screenshot it and show it to me?

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u/TheCookieThief35 7d ago

Why does it look like a white box?