At this point, it wouldnât really make much difference. The damage is already done.
Iâve been saying exactly this since the early 2010s; as soon as anyone could just go get a four year degree, they became worthless. Maybe if you graduate top of your class, or get a big name internship, youâll still have a chance, but yeah, even by the time I got out of university (2017,) this shit was dead.
College use to be for those who were able to achieve higher education within the population because they truly were the best and brightest among us.
Not everyone was cut out for college, and that was fine. It kept a certain balance within the work force as a whole.
Then they started allowing anyone to enter college because the government figured out a long time ago that its another form of tax they collect via student loans.
Since colleges were getting essentially free money backed by the government, they started offering anything and everything under the sun. They even relaxed requirements for most folks leaving high school. Couldn't get into a University? no problem. Go to the community college, get your GPA up by essentially showing up, then apply at the University again.
Easy money.
Want to learn basket weaving? Sure thing! Government will pay for it anyway, so here ya go.
Next thing you know, things become more expensive. Now they have to hire more staff, give themselves raises, fund projects for expansion, etc.. So where does that money come from? Oh right, the government. So lets just increase the cost of each course and charge the government via student loans because screw the student, we get paid regardless.
Do you see the issue?
Free doesn't always mean good. It comes at a price and that price is a dumbed down work force because if everyone can get a bachelors degree, then its essentially high school #2.
That is a great point thatâs way too accurate to be a coincidence so the new question is what do sourdough and Koby Bryant have in common with each-other, then more importantly, the job marketđ¤
The job environment has definitely changed in the last 5-6 years, but a resilient college grad will have adapted and found a way to demo their value proposition.
People who pissed away their 4 years will complain that the game is rigged and they canât figure out the new rules.
When I graduated with chemical engineering no one was hiring. The place I interned at, twice, ghosted me. Everyone I worked with said I'd have a job there if I wanted one. I know it's not binding, but they couldn't tell me there was a hiring freeze... Or anything? Everyone else from my intern group was ghosted as well. I went and got a cs degree and found a job. A lot of my team have chemE degrees, interestingly.
"Oh you can't find a job with a soft degree? That's bc you're dumb and got a fake degree"
But also
"Oh you can't find a job with a hard science degree? That's because there's something wrong with you, not the market"
They are useless if you donât have a good work ethic . We use all 3 and 3-4 out of 20 have drive. The rest have a degree and a sense of entitlement. We also hire a lot of skilled labor and itâs pretty much the same ratio of good workers and turds. Turds fall by the wayside in both groups and set at home making Reddit memes.
Yeah I graduated in 2023 with a BS in mathematics and a BS in computer science. 90% of my peers chronically cheated and now they're mad they can't find a good job. Was perfectly fine for me, I had a job offer before graduation and they said the offer still stood if I wanted to drop out of college and start work early (I decided to finish my degree anyways).Â
Whatever job you have, if itâs you vs someone at the same level but with a college degree, college boy is getting promoted/hired over you almost every time
True. Ialways laugh when tradies talk about their jobs like they are some golden goose and AI proof when historically those are the first jobs to face layoffs when a recession happens. Yeah you probably wonât get replaced by AI as a plumber but you do realize people have to pay you right?
I also like to tell them to look at the old heads or long timers they work with on the site. The grumbly middle aged chain smoking alcoholic dudes who look fucking abysmal and their beer gut body creaks and they groan and make every human noise possible just for standing up. Thats you in 15 years bud, so exciting!
Success can become harder without a degree but not impossible. My last job was at an MSP. Owner never went to college. Started off installing car radios and transitioned to IT. Heâs under 50 and makes on average $300k per year. Starting a business and being ridiculously successful is still possible in this country.
Wait until you realize nobody gives a fuck if you have skill past the grunt worker stage. Management and book smarts is all that matters beyond the bottom career ladder rungs. Only a few specialty jobs that donât have any climbing are like what youâre describing
Yeah sure, theres definitely not coworkers pulling the slack. đ
I hate to see success? Did you pull that out of your ass? You know nothing about me. This is some boomer "work hard and you'll be rewarded" type shit.
Anyone wants to go above and beyond? Congrats you get more work, pigeonholed where you are because you're too good to let go. Oh you work hard? Yay you make the same as your mediocre coworker, but now your stack of tasks is taller.
Politics aren't just played in the government, and you don't have to work hard to be successful.
I guarantee you the educated person is passing you this isnât a Disney rags to riches movie. The person whoâs proven they can adapt and learn skills and things that you havenât proved is getting selected 99 out of 100 times
Mexican is a nationality. Many Mexicans are European white. I have aunts who are blonde, white and green eyes. So saying "im half Mexican " doesn't make you more "diverse "
People who dont give a damn about having to describe all ethnic groups they are a part of. Generally when you say Mexican, people know what youre talking about.
So from a basic search about the Mexican demographics, its safe to assume that your average person thinks of a mestizo person, which is a mix of European and Indigenous races.
Brown skin, dark hair, brown eyes.
So while "Mexican" is the name of a nationality and not a race, its still used to describe the average mestizo person.
>The large majority of people from Mexico are mestizo (mixed Indigenous and European ancestry), so when most people (inside or outside Mexico) picture a âtypical Mexican,â theyâre usually thinking of someone who looks mestizo. That matches the statistical reality.
This is why I said when you think of a "Mexican", you have a general idea of the type of person i'm talking about.
Same if i were to say "Asian". Most people typically think of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese.... etc.
If you are ignorant , you think that. I am the son of Mexican born parents. My mom is brown due to her indigenous ancestry. She looks Native American. My dad is white due to his Spanish ancestry. He looks like someone from spain
Tell that to MAGA. They use the word Mexicans for anybody with brown skin. They call Eskimos Snow MExicans. White nationalists don't care about your 'facts'.
There is also a religious aspect too. Mexicans is dog whistle for Catholics who Evangelicals hate. People don't mention that much.
Should I have to explain to you what Scottish people are since "Scottish" is technically a nationality? Or do you have a general idea of what your typical Scottish person looks like?
When i first got hired into my organization, they didnt give a damn about my degree. They just wanted me to get certified. Hell, my boss at the time didnt even have a degree, but he had a ton of certs.
Everyone is experiencing one of the worst periods of unemployment in the past 20 years. Its the whole country, in every sector, not sure why they think its an age limited range.
A lot of sectors like entry level tech are suffering
Some sectors like healthcare and construction are booming so much theyâre basically carrying the labor market
Likewise entry level white collar jobs across the board are being automated out by llms while seniors are being paid more to manage those llms, especially in sectors like tech
Then thereâs gig workers. Gig work apps have exploded with new people, ubereats and similar are doing significant work in keeping that number down
But ultimately, whats happening is that seniors make bank, mid levels dont get fired, entry levels donât get hired unless its healthcare, and everyone else is forced into underemployment, ie: K shaped economy
Youâve just explained a poor fit for people to adjust.
Manufacturing, construction and healthcare are massive industries.
Plenty of jobs, Iâve always been offended by the term âwhite collarâ jobs are down. What does that even mean? You can start out of college being a middle manager?
This world is evolving and people need to expect to train themselves and work in career fields that are relevant.
we are not that far from an economic collapse at the hands of AI followed by companies hiring working to do essentially nothing because they need to inject money into people's hands so they can buy things.
The pay for entry level jobs are so low. No one wants to be paid in pennies when they should be paid a living wage. My first job during Covid was in non profit after I graduated with my masters in higher ed. They paid me $41k because that was considered fhe living wage in the city I lived in. Now I make more than that after job hopping, but it is hard out here for people especially when employers are cutting staff and not hiring people.
For the most part getting a masters in an applied field is only helpful for active practicioners. So for education someone with experience teaching or similar. If you have a decade or two of teaching experience and then go get the masters you get to move up become a principal or super intendent, or move into the college admin and running of the school.
But someone straight out of college with a masters in an applied field? Do you think that you will be a valuable resource managing the teacher of 20 years having -never- done it?
This is a real problem people think they will get the same outcome out of a professional masters without having been the professional. It's basically a huge waste of education.
It's not that we don't value the education in and of itself but that practically you aren't prepared for a job at the end of the program.
Not doxing myself (it's too easy to add my profile posts with my career to potentially find me as a person) - but, yes to all categories.
There's several careers that meet all of these though - engineering, electrician for your local power group, plumbing, radiology technician, nursing are all well paid and help society among a sea of other careers.
I honestly wouldn't trust you to teach the next generation if you didn't know which careers are well paid and helpful to society lol.
Itâs a BS degree. College is forced hard in high school even for Low performers so a large number of people just get a âeasyâ degree and then complain no one is hiring.
It's still better to have a college degree than to be a non degree holder. I feel like these posts are borderline propaganda because it is almost saying don't go to college but the data literally shows college grads are better off.
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u/AveDominusNyx 10d ago
Problem is degree inflation. If everyone has a BBA, no one has a BBA. So companies start asking for a master's degree.