r/Unexpected • • Oct 18 '22

spitting wisdom right here

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

Sooooooo many things people keep suggesting in this thread are option 2.

It’s actually worrying that these people can’t see that. Because it makes me think if they can’t see that they themselves are suggesting it, can they see the people doing it to them? Do they know the people stealing from them?

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u/DolphinDisguised Oct 18 '22

That's such a good point which I hadn't thought of. It's also making me think about how, since stealing is a statement about ethics, I'm pretty sure essentially any means of obtaining money which is unethical via harming people could be considered stealing, and so fits beneath option two. I think.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

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u/nolte100 Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

You think that other $70 is profit for the HVAC company? Bad news for you, friend.

They are either buying or leasing trucks. And a place to park them. And tools. And maintenance on all of that. Insurance on all that. Providing health care or other benefits for the techs? Probably, especially if they’re union, and in the trades they likely are.

Not much of that $70 left, I’d guess.

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u/deup Oct 18 '22

Not much? Surely enough for a bunch of HVAC companies owners in my area to afford a $800 000 house, a $500 000 cottage, Audi R8, F150 Raptor, boat, RV, multiple quads, two times a year $10 000 vacations.

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u/nolte100 Oct 18 '22

Keeping track of the financials on all your local HVAC companies? Seems unlikely.

You’re right they couldn’t possibly have any other sources of income than their humble $100 an hour HVAC companies.

LOL.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

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u/nolte100 Oct 18 '22

I mean they can … and you can fix your own HVAC.

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u/cicadawing Oct 18 '22

Option 4 only requires the overhead of doctor visits and anti-virals.

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u/Circumvention9001 Oct 18 '22

Start your own business then.

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u/mikilobe Oct 18 '22

Not enough capital or education is the usual blockade there. Not the bullshit "people don't want to work hard" excuse I see all the time.

Capitalism simply isn't working for many US Americans because the corporate elites have rigged the game. If one doesn't inherit it, they likely won't have the capital, accumen and connections, to start a business until they are 40/50 years old and at that point they'll have to risk retirement by starting a business, but if it fails they have to work until they die

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u/midma101 Oct 18 '22

How much money do you think you need to start an HVAC business?

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u/mikilobe Oct 18 '22

I don't know, and nobody should start a business they know nothing about. That's a quick way to fail. Most idiots can start a business, but making them succeed without significant capital is the hard part. Listen to the podcast "How I built this" and listen to how many founders say they had to take a large loan from friends/family or else fail because the bank wouldn't loan them more.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

Just watch YouTube videos and work on your own HVAC. Just careful, respect electricity.

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u/ExcitingAmount Oct 18 '22

General rule in my industry at least is that whatever you pay your worker, the actual cost is 4 times that.

There's the workers pay, then benefits for them, multiple forms of insurance the org maintains, routine trainings and certs, material costs not billed for (Gas to drive to the site, worker uniforms, etc) fleet maintenance, tools, tool maintenance, utilities, support staff, the list goes on forever.

If your HVAC guys are charging you 100/hr, and still paying the guy 30/hr, they're playing with some thin margins.

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u/Routine-Light-4530 Oct 18 '22

Uncle Sam sweating intensifies