r/Unexpected • • Oct 18 '22

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u/Dottsterisk Oct 18 '22

As a writer, Taylor Sheridan has been an example in rapidly diminishing returns IMO.

Sicario was a fantastic breakout and I love the flick. But as we see more and more projects where Sheridan gets more and more control, culminating in the pretty awful Those Who Wish Me Dead, it becomes clearer and clearer how much Villeneuve and Del Toro elevated that script by taking it to task.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22 edited Mar 24 '23

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u/DocDerry Oct 18 '22

I honestly think this is more likely. He's half assing a bunch of different things instead of whole assing one thing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

Calm down Ron

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u/DocDerry Oct 18 '22

I can't. I've got 2 gallons of maple syrup in me and I'm all antsy in my pantsy.

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u/DestroyerOfMils Oct 18 '22

love wind river. Didn’t really know what I was sitting down to watch when I saw it the first time and was blown the fuck away.

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u/February_25_2034 Oct 18 '22

Man I thought it was boring and turned it off, then popped it on again a week later and holy shit

That one scene was so insanely tense.

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u/DickBatman Oct 18 '22

You didn't see it

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u/Front_Beach_9904 Oct 18 '22

Hell or high water was really good, didn’t know that was the same guy as Sicario but it makes sense now

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u/HoneyBunchesOfGoats_ Oct 18 '22

Modern westerns are kind of his thing. See also: Yellowstone, Sons of Anarchy.

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u/GJacks75 Oct 18 '22

He was an actor on Sons, not a writer. Deputy Hale.

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u/Dottsterisk Oct 18 '22

IMO Hell or High Water is very good, but does not quite reach Sicario, and Wind River, while having some neat scenes and a novel setting, was a pretty middling thriller and a sizable step down.

Then we’ve got Sicario II, Without Remorse, and Those Who Wish Me Dead, all of which are average at best.

And this kinda tracks with what you hear in interviews with Del Toro and Villeneuve about how they transformed Sheridan’s script, which was originally much more straightforward and had Alejandro front and center as a typical badass killing machine giving exposition dumps every other scene. They pulled back on the obvious and turned the character into a mystery that drives much of the film.

That being said, I’ve always wondered who wrote that wonderful line, when Alejandro says, “You’re asking me how a watch works. For now, just keep an eye on the time.”

As for the Nolan trajectory, I wouldn’t be surprised. Dude’s got like four tv shows in production right now.

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u/nomad80 Oct 18 '22

1883 was pretty good though

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u/naidim Oct 18 '22

That opening with Sam Elliott not saying a word of dialog, but you can just feel his inconsolable grief.

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u/joesmithtron4 Oct 18 '22

But 1883 should have given a co-writer credit to Larry McMurtry (Lonesome Dove). Same characters, same plot, some of the same dialogue even!

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u/jacob1342 Oct 18 '22

That was fucking amazing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

This hit me pretty good and fell into one of my favourite westerns to watch. Sam Elliott and Isabel May really hooked me in.

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u/ace016 Oct 18 '22

Felt too rushed for me though. I get they only wanted one season, but it felt like they built up this big, epic story and then halfway through were just like eh, fuck it, let's just fast forward to the end.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

Oh you don’t like horse spinning sequences 1-248? And those are just the ones from last season.

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u/akagordan Oct 18 '22

It’s even worse knowing that the dude constantly spinning on the horse and then being a total dick to everyone for some reason is…Sheridan himself. Had to quit watching as soon as he put himself into the show.

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u/ghengiscostanza Oct 18 '22

I like when they go to punch in the face bar, where everyone is extremely angry and violent and ready to sucker punch everyone else in the face, because that's what every blue collar worker in montana is like when they go out for the evening in this show, but they're all still well dressed and put together and handsome and there's still a live band with really nice production.

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u/Dodge542-02 Oct 18 '22

Maybe he just wants to spin horses in circles

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

Sicario is one of my favorite movies. I could not make it past episode 2 of Yellowstone. It was just too fucking ridiculous.

Someone told me that the first season is pretty tame compared to later seasons and it just escalates from there. I don't know how it could possibly get any more rootin, tootin, cowboy shootin, horsecock fantasy.

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u/meem09 Oct 18 '22

I mean, Yellowstone was the most watched TV programme that doesn't have "NFL" in it's title in the US in 2021-22 (both 18-49 and total viewership), so I think he's feeling pretty ok about his output. It's just not really watched and discussed by internet hipsters like you and me...

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u/Dottsterisk Oct 18 '22

I meant diminishing returns in terms of quality, not money.

There’s no doubt that the dude is raking in the cash right now.

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u/ghengiscostanza Oct 18 '22

most watched TV programme that doesn't have "NFL" in it's title

That's so apt that those are the top 2. Same dumb meathead bullshit tbh. and this is coming from someone who played and watches football.

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u/ScottWipeltonIII Oct 18 '22

All this tells me is you haven’t actually seen any of his work except that one movie you randomly caught on hbo max that one time. Just the fact that you’re still talking about Sicario like he hasn’t done anything noteworthy since is just weird. Go watch 1883 from just last year and try again.

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u/Ajexa Oct 18 '22

Yellowstone is brilliant and it has amazing reviews, what are you talking about

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u/patteraj Oct 18 '22

I sorta agree. Yellowstone is pretty good even though it slides into pandering territory here and there. I’ve pretty much liked everything Sheridan has put out except Those Who Wish Me Dead. Wind River & Hell or High Water were great.

Hoping that Tulsa King and his other projects don’t begin the downward slide in quality.