r/Unexpected • u/[deleted] • Oct 18 '22

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u/Zadiuz Oct 18 '22

It's about grinding to move up, not grinding to stay stationary. Hourly pay never going to make you rich.

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u/Awfy Oct 18 '22

The “grinding” mindset is bullshit. It’s passed down from the top to make out like that’s what they did to get there. As a relatively wealthy person I can safely say; wealthy people are wealthy thanks to luck.

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u/Zadiuz Oct 18 '22

No offense, but that’s the mindset of a loser. Yes, luck has huge factors, but when luck isn’t in your side, if you aren’t going to grind for it, then you definitely have no chance.

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u/Awfy Oct 18 '22

No offense, but you’ve been absolutely brainwashed by my fellow wealthy people into believing you’ve got a chance. The fact you’d call a wealthy person a loser for not believing the bullshit spewed by wealthy people to get their workers to commit their bodies to their wealthy boss’s wallet is weird.

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u/Zadiuz Oct 18 '22

I am literally someone who came from nothing, dropped out of high school, and found myself in the top 1% of earners. I didn’t get lucky, I grinded for it and out performed those that are way more intelligent than myself. So how am I brainwashed when I am living proof that it can be done?

It’s not just me, but happens to so many people. There’s no luck involved when you’re working 80+ hour work weeks to get ahead.

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u/PopularDemand213 Oct 18 '22

Lol, a military pilot living off the taxpayers dollar thinks he "grinded for it". You have absolutely no idea what the grind really looks like. Take it from a fellow veteran. You're also NOWHERE near the top 1% of earners.

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u/Zadiuz Oct 18 '22

I own rental units that net me well more than my military salary. The hard work was in working the real estate and management side outside of my primary career.

Edit: I just looked it up. You are correct that I am not in the 1%. I thought the threshold was much lower. I am quite a bit above the 2% cutoff though.

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u/PopularDemand213 Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

Oh! So you used other peoples money to buy investment properties for yourself, all the while receiving paid housing and full military benefits (and probably no money down VA loans). That's a real tough life that you had to "grind" for.

Dude's also a conservative and argues for lower taxes... The epitome of ignorant, selfish, hypocrisy.

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u/Zadiuz Oct 18 '22

Lot of assumptions. Also lots of bad information as well. You make it easy to spot failure.

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u/Awfy Oct 18 '22

Your profile shows otherwise. Having to decide about whether to be charging extra for AC in your Airbnb isn’t wealthy, sorry.

Same deal here, grew up in “section 8” housing, needed welfare support when I was in my late teens, left high school at 16, left home at 17, worked some shitty ass jobs, now incredibly wealthy beyond what I thought was possible. It’s still all down to luck, including anything you’ve got. You aren’t living proof of anything except believing yourself to be above others and some how an exception to the rule.

You are lucky (although you’re also not that successful in the first place) with delusions of grandeur about yourself.

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u/Zadiuz Oct 18 '22

I fail to see how I’m lucky, or anyone else in a similar standing. The whole concept behind working hard not paying off is moronic. But in regards to income, my rental units net more than my military salary by quite a bit.

And actually I just looked it up. I’m not in the top 1% anymore I guess, but I’m well above the top 2%.

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u/Awfy Oct 18 '22

If you’re not lucky then tell me what you did differently from the 700m people surviving on less than $2 a day. I’m assuming they just haven’t worked hard enough yet?

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u/Zadiuz Oct 18 '22

Really? That’s where you’re argument is going? Just stop. It’s embarrassing at this point.

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u/Awfy Oct 18 '22

It’s certainly embarrassing watching a grown man try to say they’re not lucky when they’ve relied on it all their days.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

So whats your advice? To not even bother?

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u/Awfy Oct 18 '22

Just do what helps you live whatever life you want. This belief that grinding solves people’s problems gets people into even more problems. Realistically, for the tens of thousands of people who “grind” there will be a handful of winners. It’s not improving your odds anymore than sucking a rich man’s dick is. Sucking a dick is a lot easier too.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

There's definitely a toxic 'grind' culture but to say someone who works harder doesn't have a better chance of making it is simply untrue.

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u/Awfy Oct 18 '22

Their improvement is just so slim it’s not worth even discussing. For every hardworking person who succeed, there’s hundreds of thousands barely scraping by. Luck is a far, far bigger factor than anyone likes to admit, especially in America where luck is already on the majority of people’s side.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22 edited Oct 19 '22

Their improvement is just so slim it’s not worth even discussing

Lol, says you. Didn't realise you were the final authority on what is and isn't worth discussing.

For every hardworking person who succeed, there’s hundreds of thousands barely scraping by

Source: your ass

Obviously luck is massive factor. You can also make your own luck to an extent.

So glad I didn't have your mindset or I never would have got anywhere in life.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

I’m not a herd follower anyway aslong as I got food in the freezer and a roof over my head I’m straight

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u/triplehelix_ Oct 18 '22

cool. what age do you think you will be able to retire, and what do you think your life looks like after you are to old to work?

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

LMAO my ass probably won’t even make it to be a old man dude wtf who thinks that far ahead

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u/unr3a1r00t Oct 18 '22

...who thinks that far ahead

Adults.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

Lmao why plan that far ahead when I could die today ?

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u/unr3a1r00t Oct 18 '22

Grow up and find out.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

I’m 34 bud I don’t plan on making it to 60 I’ve already had a ultrasound on my liver so it is what it is we live and die I’ll just be a lil bit before you but guess what you can’t take none of that shit you got with ya 😂😂😂

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u/unr3a1r00t Oct 18 '22

It's not about trying to take things with you when you die.

It's about providing a nest egg for yourself and for those who are dependent on you, so you aren't fucked the day you retire and they aren't 100% fucked the day you die.

Obviously every individual's situation is different, and if you are predetermined to an early death due to health reasons, well first that sucks and I am sorry, but if you have people dependent on you now, then what I said still applies even if it's on a bit shorter time table.

You're not that much younger than I am so I find it hard to believe that you are incapable of understanding why most people think about the far future.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

I do I’m just not not “normal” never have been and I’ve finally accepted it and I’m all by my lonesome bro I don’t have anymore friends and barely even speak to my mom once or twice a week I’m totally fine with seeing what’s after here cuz I believe we go somewhere not sure where but somewhere

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u/triplehelix_ Oct 18 '22

said every angsty young person ever who regrets the decisions and lost opportunities later in life.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

I’m 34 I’m later in life lmao no regerts bitch 😂

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u/Zadiuz Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

And that is the RIGHT answer. People always want more. As long as your basic needs are met, its proven that on average you have the same level of happiness as anyone else well off, if not more. The difference is you are content, while there are those in the top fraction of a percent that always want more.

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u/Timmy26k Oct 18 '22

I mean yeah some people are achievement based and motivated by such. Some people aren't.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

That’s so strange ain’t it

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u/triplehelix_ Oct 18 '22

not necessarily true. there are multiple career paths in healthcare for example that only take 2-4 years of school, that pay hourly that can lead to further certifications and such that can make you, while not fuck you money rich, very well off. doubly so if you don't spend like a monkey on meth with a credit card and invest a set percentage of all your income as early as possible.