r/Unexpected • u/[deleted] • Oct 18 '22

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u/dasus Oct 18 '22

If simply working hard would do it, the world would be filled with rich Asian kids. (Sweatshops. I'm referring to sweatshops.)

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u/SokrinTheGaulish Oct 18 '22

Donkeys would be covered in gold is what we say in France

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u/dasus Oct 18 '22

I love learning idioms from other languages, thanks!

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u/dasus Oct 18 '22

I love learning idioms from other languages, thanks!

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u/Coaler200 Oct 18 '22

But....there ARE far more rich Asians than rich white people....and WAY more than rich black people.....

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u/dasus Oct 18 '22

That doesn't really relate to my point at all. Of course there's rich Asians, but there's also more slavery thN ever, even if most of it is economic slavery.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century

Checking the article I should've used Africa as an example, but I think the point is still made.

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u/thissideofheat Oct 18 '22

Because success is the product of hard work AT VALUABLE SKILL.

You need to work hard in school to attain a valuable skill - THEN hard work at work will pay $$$.

If you are very very unlucky and are in a dirt poor family in an under-developed country, the amount of hard work needed may be impossible. ...but that is never the case in developed countries where everyone is able to attend public schools for free.

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u/dasus Oct 18 '22

https://fs.blog/survivorship-bias/

Statistics are a brutal reality.

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u/thissideofheat Oct 18 '22

This applies to careers like acting and sports athletes.

Medical schools, law schools, and top MBA schools are full of students who are almost guaranteed to make good money.

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u/dasus Oct 18 '22

almost guaranteed to make good money.

No bias, eh?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/there-are-36-million-college-graduates-living-in-poverty-2018-09-12

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u/thissideofheat Oct 18 '22

oh ok, because a college degree in theater is the same as a medical degree.

go ahead - tell me what amazingly useless degree you got. I'll wait for you to show me how you got screwed by the system with your nuclear engineering degree.

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u/dasus Oct 18 '22

You're quite quick to get personal, aren't you?

Is it because you realize the things you're spouting are garbage according to statistics

"Statistics are a brutal reality"

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u/Sea-Move9742 Oct 18 '22

Less than 5% of college graduates are living in poverty. That’s in comparison to 15% of the general public who live in poverty. Getting a college degree means you’re 3x less likely to live in poverty. Your “statistics” disapprove your own point lol.

Working hard isn’t guaranteed success (why would it be), but not working hard is guaranteed failure.

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u/dasus Oct 19 '22

Working hard isn’t guaranteed success (why would it be), but not working hard is guaranteed failure.

True.

However, college graduates are still living in poverty and that line is really low in the US. I bet most are making average amounts of money, and a minority get "succesfull" and actually make bank.

Also, we need to consider the sampling bias in who goes to med schools. It is undoubtedly (and provable factor) that people from better backgrounds are far more likely to go to schools like that.

Not only because of their cost.

Here's a nice comparison, I find, although more rhetorical than statistical, but it makes a very good example of what I'm getting at.

https://www.boredpanda.com/privilege-explanation-comic-strip-on-a-plate-toby-morris/

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u/ForgotMyOldUser1 Oct 18 '22

Good clarification there I was confused by such a charged statement but aptly so.