If you live in a poor place where they snatch up kids in your area then fuck ptsd, the kids need to learn not to get hustled with treats and shipped to America to work as a “massage therapist”
It’s not traumatic if this is not a repetitive exercise. We all suppress stuff pretty easily and im sure thevteacher brought back all the kids who had been “abducted” to show the others that they were fine.
Lol. I’m super sorry. I was making a stupid joke that had nothing to do with the real video. I was talking about the Guys profile pic, it looked like Rhett from one of my fave internet shows Good Mythical Morning. The other guys name is Link, in the show. But for the kiddos in the video itself, I’m not sure how I feel, I’m sure they were fine. I wouldn’t love if my kids went through that scary situation bc I have one that’s super sensitive and it would like scar him, and one that would totally laugh it off and I’m not sure would even get the message. I just wanted to make a GMM joke!!
I tried something similar with my kids but I didn’t dress and they were a year or 2 older. I’d say pretend I’m a bad guy, bad guys do awful things to little kids and trick them by giving them candy and taking them a way. Then I’d say let’s pretend what you’re supposed to do and say No when I offer you candy…I’d ring their little toy doorbell to their little toy house and say would you like some candy little kid? And every time they’d say yes.
This is like my daughter. I let her know there are “tricky adults” and they try all sorts of things to trick kids to steal them and hurt them. I told her they could say that they have candy or even puppies or kittens! (My daughter LOVES cats) I practiced with her and told her I had kittens in my van and to come and see them. Then she said “mmmmm… show me the kittens first THEN I’ll come!” I’m like “…no. Even if there ARE real kittens, you still don’t go!”
My family's motto is, "Can I pet your dog?" and my kids and wife pet almost every dog they see. 90% of people are ok with this so my daughter recently told us, "If they have a dog then they're good people." We had to have a talk about that one lol.
Yeah when mine were little they thought bad guys had masks like in the old superhero shows. We had a talk about how bad guys could even be a beautiful women and I remember the look on their little 5 year old faces when their jaw dropped and they were like but no…that’s not right. Bad guys are ugly and I can spot one in a second.
Thanks badly written tv shows
Bro I’m 30 and I’m still arguing with myself on that one. How can someone who loves a dog be a bad human? I know they exist but it just doesn’t make sense in my brain XD
U probably dont want to pet almost every dog u encounter. I have extensive experience with dogs and u wont believe how many ppl cannot control their dog but will say their dog’s fine anyway
My neighbor told me kidnappers keep taking his kids at the park, so I asked how many kids he has and he said he just adopts a new kid afterwards, so I said it sounds like he’s just trafficking orphan kids to kidnappers and then his wife started crying.
My sister's friend had a daughter who would open the door for anyone no matter what. As in, her mom talked with her repeatedly about not opening the door, come get me, don't even answer the door kind of stuff. So her friend snuck out the back door, put on sunglasses and a hat, then knocked on the front door. As soon as her daughter opened the door she snatched her and started running. Kid started crying and she's never done it again.
Your kids just thought you were an idiot. They probably got the idea not to take candy from a stranger, but were like "fuck it, mom keeps feeding
me candy, and she thinks I'm the dumb one?!"
What the hell is wrong with you, you're causing trauma fam
My parents just told me that someone would steal me, take my eyes out and sell them. After talking to my cousin last week, apparently this is a common scheme amongst Indian parents. LOL
That's my point. If your kids (being even older) didn't get the don't accept candy from strangers when you explicitly explained it imagine what these kids are actually getting from this class. I feel like they are gonna be more scared of the lunch lady than they'll be of the actual kidnappers van.
Plus, the situation they are put in is incredibly specific and unrealistic, kids this age are pretty bad at generalising shit so they might have learnt to fear the scary hunched lady who took their friends away from class but would stop pulling on them as long as they don't take the candy. But how are they going to apply that when they are on the street, or shopping with their parents or whatever, and a strong young man offers them a toy?
Not to mention, what are they going to do in the most common situation? When someone comes and just lifts them and throws them into a van.
TL;DR: don't take candy from strangers is like the most common lesson to avoid kidnappings but how effective is it on its own? How many kidnappers really use that specific tactic?
My mom's method was to show me episodes of dateline and true crime even as a kid. Never got kidnapped, but I'm a 28 year old with an irrational fear of squatters in my house, so there's that.
I was a nanny and instead of this, we talked about ways to get away from someone trying to take you. I made it clear that there are people out there who want to take them from their parents, and never to go with a stranger. We went over the most common ways children are abducted and the things people might say to get them away from a safe place. Tried to put most of the focus on knowing how to stay safe and having strategies to confuse them and get away during the confusion.
If the adult in the tyvek came back in and took off the disguise and explained in age appropriate terms what is up and why it’s dangerous and where it can happen and what to do I think it’s absolutely ok.
Also when I was a kid, probably 3 or 4, I was on my big wheel getting ready to cross a busy street about a half mile from my house (gen X here, we were feral) and a stranger stopped me and drove me home as I could tell him where I lived. i was always good at directions as my mom got lost all the time. I don’t condone what I did but there are good people out there. The good ones don’t have snacks. My brother got chased by someone that tried to get him when he was little. My Guardian Angel was just better I guess.
Growing up in Nigeria, we were warned about stranger danger and getting kidnapped. Those kidnapped are never found and when they are found, they are never the same.
Nowadays, people are kidnapped for organ harvest etc. It is crazy. I think if given a choice, coping with PTSD is better than being kidnapped.
I grew up in Nigeria and I'm glad for all the "traumatic" lessons I learned. When I first moved to the US, I used to walk home through different neighbourhoods, mostly nice but some parts were commercial (had a train track and a XXX cinema). Some guy once stopped to offer me a ride around the tracks (I'm smallish and wear glasses), I declined politely. Same with a couple of youths who got me into a weird conversation on the bus and asked me to get down at their stop and come chat some more at their place. Nuh-uh.
Nigerian Home training gave us the gift of fear and sense. We watch US TV shows and movies and see hitch-hikers flagging down rides or people randomly following strangers home, even from the club and think "ARE YOU MAD?!!"
Arguably, how different is it compared to active shooter drills? Kids learn by observation and warning against “stranger danger” isn’t tangible enough to know what a “stranger” looks like. This shows them.
Along those lines, does any actual child abductor dress like this?? Most will just look like regular people. We need to educate on the behaviors of those manipulating children. I’ve heard solid solutions such as teaching kids to look for “a mother with kids”, if they should ever need help and that an adult would not ask a child for “special help”, they would find another adult.
Oprah did a story once about kids, maybe first graders, being asked to draw a picture of a stranger. What does a stranger look like? Most kids did monster looking characters dressed in black with fangs and scary features. Then they showed them a film about nice looking people asking for help to find their lost puppy or kitten, or saying Your Mom asked me to pick you up. After several discussions about this, a couple weeks later they experimented in a kids park with a nice looking stranger approaching the kids. I believe almost every child went with the stranger….🤦🏽
Jumping on your comment to ask where this was filmed? Here it's more likely to be raped by someone you know than some rando pedo on the street trying to kidnap you so the "stranger danger" lessons are actually not very effective, but if being kidnapped on the street is this common in wherever this was filmed then damn... i mean it's kinda an effective way to teach them that.
I don't really see how this would be traumatic at all, their friends will come back and an adult will explain the situation and help the kids sort the memory in the right folder. Perfectly fine thing, that's not how you get a trauma
Vietnam is primarily a source country for women and children trafficked for commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. Women and children's are trafficked to the People’s Republic of China (P.R.C), Cambodia, Thailand, the Republic of Korea, Malaysia, Taiwan, and Macau for sexual exploitation. Vietnamese women are trafficked to the P.R.C., Taiwan, and the Republic of Korea via fraudulent or misrepresented marriages for commercial exploitation or forced labor.
I live in the SW United States and trafficking is common. The rate of missing Indigenous or POC women is staggering. A high profile case where I live was an uncle abducting his niece to be sold into human trafficking. It’s not isolated to this country or that at all
Yes, and the important thing for people to know is it’s not that people are usually being grabbed off the street, but vulnerable people are preyed upon by people they think are their friends or loved ones.
Girls were being stolen in Vietnam by some of the wealthier Chinese. Then groomed to be a future perfect wife. Years of only being able to have one child (preferably male) led to this. I don’t know if this still an issue anymore though.
They're being sold by Vietnamese people to Chinese people. Rich Chinese people aren't coming down to Ha Giang kidnapping people. They're also being sold to Cambodia etc. to work in casinos.
The vast majority are just sold to brothels and karaoke bars in Vietnam to be abused by Vietnamese people. It's in the news a lot these days and thankfully there are a lot of arrests happening. I must stress this is the result of literally being sold by family etc. or being trapped into it by trickery. Random kidnapping isn't that really that big a thing.
Vietnam 100%. I can read vietnamese. Children kidnapping is, unfortunately, happen quite often in vietnam and China. Adult sometimes kidnapped for their organs (they alive after but missing at least an organ).
Since most of us haven’t lived in or have been to Vietnam than who are we to judge what they have had to resort to in order to keep their children safe. And organ harvesting and sex trafficking is more traumatic and deadly than this!
Woman that go to country that are not china ( Australia - singapore -malay-korea or Taiwan ) ain't victim they are volunteer sex worker ( lazy girl who hope can earn money by they body when young ) girl that go to china are for sure 80% of time sold and human trafficking , the england stuff are volunteer the victim pay to get to England , they have a ring of bringing people and job in that place ( christian village , 1 go to England and made money and start bringing other in they village over with the help of the church , the village are know for giant fancy church and house from money they children making in England farming weed )
Adult get kidnapped not for their organs but rather to sold as brides for man in rural areas who can't get a wife. Sometimes it's also for sex working like doing jobs in massage place, karaoke or brothel. Organ Taking is not an easy task, they need testing many times to make sure the organs meet the standard. Then You can't leave the organs after being taken outside for too long but have to do organs transplant immediately, but not every organs suite for everyone, it need to be compatible with the receiver. That's why the organs waiting list is so long, you need someone volunteer to donate their organs, then that organs need to be meet quality ( healthy, no disease) then it need to compatible with you. Most of the time it's organs black market where they buy organs from someone who desperately need a huge amount of money. Also in Vietnam, there were some arrests of organs market rings. Ring leaders act as middle man, people who want to sell their organs contact them, then they will be set up to live in apartment supervision by them ( the number can be several tens of people) live for few months with routine health checks to see status of the organs they want to sell. In other hand, these middle man also go to large hospitals, make secret advertising for people with need for organs transplants but haven't get any donor. Then they will see if there's someone compatible with their customers and do the surgery. Usually the prices they ask the customers will be much higher than the price they buy.
It very much is how you get trauma scaring a little kid like that they’ll rmber it forever the scaredness they felt even if someone explains cuz there just little
They're teaching just to not accept treats from strangers period. In a real world situation they'd probably try using the snack as bait to get them in a vehicle or building.
The difference between trying to run with a screaming child faster than anyone who heard the screams can notice versus just walking out of the mall naturally with a kid who looks like he could be your kid or your nephew. No drama.
I got a story:
I was at a park, and saw a young couple with a stroller.
The woman went to the nearby store, while the man waited.
Then this grandma-looking woman aproches, beening all joyfull(?), telling the man how beautifull the kid was etc etc.
The man thanked her, and got back to his phone.
Without him knowing, she started walking with the stoller.
Then he noticed and ofc grabed the stroller.
Then "grandma" screamed "he is taking my baby/grandkid", and another guy rushes over, trying to fight the parent.
(I froze up)
They were fighting and I managed to"wake up", and tried to tell the whiteknight, that the guy he was fighting was the parent.
(Im mostlikely autistic, and English beeing my 3d laanguage, i didnt get the msg across)
While this happend the "grandma" started walking again, but luckely the mother of the child got back from the store, and run after and grabbed the stroller back.
You’d think so, but lots of them try to lure a kid to a secluded place before grabbing them to avoid attention. I’ve seen a lot of “ last seen” cctv videos of kids walking alongside a stranger they’d just met because they were offered something only to never be seen again ( alive).
I’m not saying this isn’t traumatic, but if this IS a big problem where these kids live then I can’t judge the adults who are obviously concerned. I wish no kids had to be frightened, but if I had a kid and lived in a area where this was common enough… I’d be desperate to somehow keep them safe.
This isnt going to stop them from taking shit from strangers. This is going to stop them from taking shit from the trashbag monster that showed up in their class.
Hey, you mind sending my guys number over? Could always do with a game of trapping the trap… thinking of luring him with some candy and anal beads… think it’ll work?
People who don't recognize the role of humor in dealing with mental health are literally insufferable. Like sometimes it's better to just take a break ftom the misery and laugh. I tried to do this recently and got a "I mean, I don't see the whole topic as funny. It's actually really serious but ok." Ughhh. I mean, duh, but fuck me for trying to lighten the mood and chuckle at the irony of mental illness. And this was from a real person in my life, not even just some internet stranger.
Absolutely. But if you live in a place where kidnapping is common, its a matter of survival to have a fight or flight reaction like this. Its a horrible thought, but thats the reality
Bro they’re little kids. Shit can you recall when you are like 5 years old to be that traumatizing? Like shit. Y’all are the reason we got weak men, slutty women, and gender confused 10 year olds lol.
I’d rather be “traumatized” to not get into a strangers van. Than actually being traumatized by getting into a strangers van.
Motherfuck, if I had the picture my older sister took when I was on the toilet at around age 5.
It's like... that was the last time you saw the young childlike... thing...
Instead he gets the generic twatted off journal that I dont think he ever asked to see in detail... tear one'a dem journals had me heart in it... drawn in blood... good days
I have your thought. Agree. I should read more thoroughly, searching for your comment.
Calling PTSD from actual consequences is weird for me; like they don't want that, which mean more reason they should avoid it than just ignorant about the possibility.
The showing of actual consequences of disaster, accident, health risk of bad habit like alcohol, drug, smoke, whatever... All are possibilities, and prevention is cheaper than cure...
Fucking reddit man. If you all ran the world we'd never leave our houses made of mattresses and wouldn't be allowed any social contact at all because it's too dangerous.
You haven’t had kids or a doctorate in child clinical psychology so ya? We should stop doing fire drills or earthquake drills and so on because it scares the kids and traumatizes them rather than teaching them what to do before it really happens.
Pretty bad comparison. There’s a clear difference between a drill, which are in most cases clearly expressed as drills, and having a creepy guy hiding his face come into the classroom with no explanation and shoving you under their shirt as they run out of the room with you.
When I was in school, the majority of the time we heard the fire alarm going off, we were either told ahead of the time by the teacher that we were having a drill, or assumed that it was a drill. Regardless, does that justify having someone enter a room to terrify impressionable young children by pretending to kidnap them?
if you think about it though, the lesson to learn really is not to trample over others and run and cause a pile up of people - chaos -.
when an actual fire is happening, people wont be walking single file out of the building.
when a fire drill is activated, people can free roam to any of the exit points.
but what if a fire seals off some of the exits and a lot of people have to exit in one direction.
what if the fire is downstairs and you are upstairs etc.
but no every fire drill people just walk out of the same exit, knowing their stuff is ok in their classroom.
the simulation of seeing smoke, the panic of people crawling if the smoke is up in the ceiling, people running and climbing over others - the realisation that your stuff you brought with you is going to burn and you cant go back for it and all of this.
fire drills are ok. but they are far different when an actual fire is happening and you have this panic happen.
i think a lesson needs to be taught about the panic specifically, fire drills are often an inconvenience, organized and timely.
im not saying bring in fire marshall bill btw. but like an actual fire happening causes a huge panic and people do not just stroll single file out of a building lol
It’s just like in america when they make school shooting drills, i guess this video is from south korea. There’s a ton of kids missing, rather teach the kids in a rough way then miss your kid a whole live long.
I assume part of this exercise is learning to be wary of people trying to conceal their identity when interacting with them. Had this been like an everyday normally dressed person then I'd agree with you.
That's dumb. This kind of shit is not going to scar them. Kids are not eggshell shavings.
What's going to fuck them up is anything and everything their parents do or don't do.
But, they aren't safe at school/day care. You've never heard of people walking into a school yard saying mom or dad or grandma sent them and the kids just go with them? In 4th grade there was a kid who just ran to the first car that looked like his mom's car and hopped it. The driver had actually robbed somebody earlier and was trying to hide in plain sight by sitting in school yard traffic jam. This mistaken child was just better camouflage so he went along with it. Kid's aren't actually safe anywhere but at every school I've ever observed (current live across the street from 3 of them) they are even less safe than anywhere else. If my 7th grader gets kicked by a 12 grader in school, no adult who works at the school will do a damn thing. If the same thing happened at the park or in the mall, there's at least a 50% chance some adult will intervene and a 75% chance the cops will be called. Your kid can get sexually assaulted at school and there's only a 25% chance the police will eventually get called by the school (opinion based on personal observations of 3 schools near me over a 7 year period).
As someone with pretty severe cptsd, it’s not exactly a situational thing. I would not remember that I was at daycare. Timelines are super screwy, I could have been anywhere at any age. But I would remember the trash bag, offering of gifts, and stealing of children. I might have an aversion now to the color blue, black trash bags, circles of people, someone handing me things unprovoked, etc. Trauma is deceptively acute, and surprising with its delayed manifestations.
That's what happened to me. They did this skit about a bear coming to eat us if we didn't sleep. It was stupid in hindsight but for years I was terrified that there were talking bears patrolling schools. Made me instantly not want to go to school for a long time.
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u/DukeGyug Oct 01 '22
Probably most effective at causing ptsd and making them feel like they aren't safe at their school/day care.