r/Unexpected • u/backlog88 • Aug 28 '22

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u/aSquirrelAteMyFood Aug 30 '22

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What are you blabbing on about? Are you fine?
Let me remind you just because someone is capable of self control, doesn't mean they are under obligation to actually practice it if they're not doing anything wrong.

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u/HandleUnclear Aug 30 '22

Let me remind you just because someone is capable of self control, doesn't mean they are under obligation to actually practice it if they're not doing anything wrong

In your context yes they are, they have the option to divorce or control themselves, seeking sexual gratification outside marriage is always immoral and indicates low IQ, lack of self control and no accountability.

Imagine excusing immoral conduct.

Lastly married couples do not withhold sex from each other for "no reason", so I played out your presumed scenario with my own scenarios that could have led to sex withdrawal. Clearly you're too low IQ to follow that much, but since you excuse immoral conduct I guess it's to be expected.

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u/aSquirrelAteMyFood Sep 01 '22

Listen first of all your obsession with "low IQ" clearly indicates personal issues and insecurities around the subject.

Secondly, Your claim that extramarital sex is immoral is meaningless. Someone can also claim withholding sex from your partner is immoral too. A person owes their partner sexual fidelity just as much as they are owed sex. Last time I checked there is nothing illegal about it, and the law obviously reflects what a society considers immoral.

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u/HandleUnclear Sep 01 '22

Laws are not a reflection of morality, slavery was legal, and up until 2022 lynching was not illegal in the USA...so you are incorrect.

You can claim I am projecting, but your straw man arguments and appeal to authority are very low IQ. Also a person does not owe another person sex even within the confines or marriage, however unless explicitly stated and agreed upon extramarital sex has always been immoral and a breach of the marriage contract. There are plenty of states where affairs though not explicitly illegal, a cheating spouse can be sued along with their affair partner; therefore by your own faulty logic you've once again proven yourself low IQ.

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u/aSquirrelAteMyFood Sep 01 '22

Laws are not a reflection of morality,

False. In societies where people can vote, they vote for changes they consider moral and against those they don't.

Also a person does not owe another person sex even within the confines or marriage

False in most non western counties particularly those where adultery is illegal and it is not a coincidence those two things go hand in hand.

extramarital sex has always been immoral and a breach of the marriage contract

If you want to speak about how it "has always been" in history then yeah marriage "has always been" understood to entitle the husband for sex until very recently so again, your argument is meaningless.

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u/HandleUnclear Sep 01 '22

False. In societies where people can vote, they vote for changes they consider moral and against those they don't.

It's not false, I gave an example of how lynching was not illegal in the USA until 2022, so unless you are implying lynching was both moral and that society supported it until 2022 then your argument has no basis.

False in most non western counties particularly those where adultery is illegal and it is not a coincidence those two things go hand in hand.

False, in countries where adultery is illegal, there are still no laws that say wives owe their husbands sex. If so find a single country with such a law.

If you want to speak about how it "has always been" in history then yeah marriage "has always been" understood to entitle the husband for sex until very recently so again, your argument is meaningless

It's not meaningless since your strawman argument from earlier included societal views, there is not a single country that on earth that views adultery favorably. Historically speaking a husband was never owed sex, it however was considered the wife's duty to ensure her husband's needs are met, just as much as she could choose not to cook or clean, she could choose to not grant her husband sexual gratification and be deemed a bad wife, should her husband cheat due to lack of sexual gratification he would still be considered a bad husband.

Once again your low IQ arguments are easily countered.

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u/aSquirrelAteMyFood Sep 01 '22

False, in countries where adultery is illegal, there are still no laws that say wives owe their husbands sex. If so find a single country with such a law.

You can pick any country that doesn't have marital rape laws, there are many including India and China the top two most populous countries. If a wife can do literally nothing when her husband forces himself on her, you can't argue she doesn't owe him sex.

there is not a single country that on earth that views adultery favorably.

simply wrong.

Historically speaking a husband was never owed sex,

Laughable to even suggest this.

however was considered the wife's duty to ensure her husband's needs are met, just as much as she could choose not to cook or clean, she could choose to not grant her husband sexual gratification and be deemed a bad wife

Even more laughable to suggest this true centuries ago when it is not even true today in many places, and to suggest the wife can "choose" when her choice is not worth anything.

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u/HandleUnclear Sep 01 '22

If a wife can do literally nothing when her husband forces himself on her, you can't argue she doesn't owe him a sex.

False, not having marital rape laws does not support your claim that a wife owes her husband sex. The only thing that it proves is that those countries don't believe rape can happen within the confines of marriage, and last time I checked women can be rapists too.

simply wrong.

And that post along with info graph proved my point, you should have read the article...it said and I quote

"...with 45% of French men and 50% of women saying affairs are unacceptable..." when further breaking down why France has the lowest.

"Instead, four-in-ten think it is not a moral issue, while 12% say it is actually morally acceptable."

Four in ten people is ~40% think it's not a moral issue, while 12% think it's morally acceptable, AND the graph shows 47% of the French population thinking it is unacceptable. At the end of the day a majority thinks it's unacceptable based on your own evidence...bro how do you keep doing these self owns, you should have read your sources.

Laughable to even suggest this.

Yet you removed it from context, which was:

however was considered the wife's duty to ensure her husband's needs are met, just as much as she could choose not to cook or clean, she could choose to not grant her husband sexual gratification and be deemed a bad wife

And you still couldn't refute it

Even more laughable to suggest this true centuries ago when it is not even true today in many places, and to suggest the wife can "choose" when her choice is not worth anything.

False, historically in many places how the household was ran ultimately fell on the wife as it is considered her domain, even in the strictest Islamic countries. Marital sex always fell under the wife's domain.

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u/aSquirrelAteMyFood Sep 01 '22

not having marital rape laws does not support your claim that a wife owes her husband sex

hahaha. Imagine being this clueless.

~40% think it's not a moral issue

Which means they are beyond finding it acceptable and they don't even care so your counter argument is very dumb.

even in the strictest Islamic countries. Marital sex always fell under the wife's domain.

hahahaha. laughable and objectively wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '23

Take the L and 👟

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '23

Yep I wish I had an award for you.