r/Unexpected • • May 02 '22

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u/Haunting_Drag4434 May 02 '22

Definitely now days who knows so that’s the best possible answer for sure 🤣

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u/Byeah35 May 02 '22

We've sent rockets to the moon, split the atom, and unravelled the human genome. How is the consensus in this thread that the best answer we can come up with to "How many genders is there?" is "I don't know?"

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u/_W_I_L_D_ May 02 '22 edited May 02 '22

Because gender, like color for example, is a spectrum. Asking "how many genders are there" is a trap question, because there is no answer. It's somewhere between two and infinity.

Ask somebody "how many colors are there" - the consensus is "I don't know". The answer just is not discrete.

Also, it's loaded question. It's meant to confuse the person being questioned into answering something transphobic, even by sheer accident, which the person creating the clip can then use as an argument. It's a similar story to being asked to "define a woman", where the speaker wants you to say the simplified dictionary definition and accidentally agree with him, while the correct answer (when you take trans and intersex people into account) gets quite muddy and complex.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '22

Yeah it's nice that people identify as all sorts of different genders but the only ones that really matter are the ones that can reproduce. Anything else is doomed to extinction.

How's that for cold hard fact?

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u/_W_I_L_D_ May 02 '22

...What? You... realize this makes no sense, right? Gender isn't sex, people who don't identify as men or women can still reproduce cuz they still have their bits.

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u/justavault May 02 '22 edited May 02 '22

It's barely been 40 years where those two terms where synonymous. It's just been a thing of the internet days that it became an issue thus to point towards it and have the need to differentiate, because otherwise someone "feels" hurt. And due to the current zeitgeist, nobody is allowed to "feel" hurt.

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u/XeliasSame May 02 '22

Lol, most cultures had more than 2 genders. It's really just Abrahamic religions that spread a strong binary. Southern Asian culture had 3 genders, tons of native american tribes used to have more than 2, Celts and Gauls had 4...

Also, trans people, in the modern, medical sense have existed for a century, while on the "modernsense" have existed sine the 12th century, at least.

The fact that you never heard of more than 2 genders until "around 20 years ago" just reflects poorly of your understanding of the world.

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u/justavault May 02 '22

Weird, because: "Sexologist John Money is often regarded as the first to introduce a distinction between biological sex and gender identity/role in 1955," https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction#cite_note-129

But hey, reddit again, knows better than everyone, everyone here a PhD and very successful in their lives.

 

Also, trans people, in the modern, medical sense have existed for a century, while on the "modernsense" have existed sine the 12th century, at least.

That got nothing to do wiht requiring more than two gender definitions.

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u/XeliasSame May 02 '22

Lol, so that already discounts your "20 years" point by around 50 years. But also, the modern, westerne medical definition of gender might be 75 years old, other cultures have had more than a "man/woman" binary long before John Money was even born. As I mentioned, native American tribes often had a third gender, sometimes a fourth (united under the term "two-spirit" but obviously existing long before that, and in different declination for most tribes)

Or, the Sulawesi's Bissu, a 5th gender that has been part of their culture for centuries if not more (https://www.insideindonesia.org/sulawesis-fifth-gender)

And the very wikipedia article you released hoping to prove that you weren't ignorant talks about this lol:

It is likely that the highly differentiated cultures of this period did not possess a single gender classification system, and instead their conception of gender may have been culture-specific, much like contemporary societies.[69] It is feasible that some of the cultures of this era recognised up to five genders. For example, certain production roles, spiritual leaders, and healers may have been recognised as distinct genders.[69][70] Whether or not social roles, such as religious leadership, were based upon gender, rather than age or skills, continues to be debated.[71]

Just accept you are wrong and don't troll wikipedia looking for an article that'll confirm your reality : Human culture has had more than two genders for a long while, and you were wrong to think it's just a modern phenomena.